Well, let's be fair... It's Star Wars. A world where largest and most important battlestations get one fighter squadron as escort. A world, where said station waits for a moon to rise instead of just warping out at attack course or blowing up a planet it is covered with. A world, where are zero surveillance cameras on said station, but systems of which can be easily manipulated by a junk droid with zero access codes. A world where a small spacecraft not larger then a fighter jet can easily travel through half a galaxy just because and has no issues with fueling or jump distance limitations. A world where instead of publicating infringing recordings, political leaders completely ignore them. A world where FTL-communications are a common thing, and neither distance, nor any other means can severely break possibilities of intertellar holophone, except for - ONCE IN ALL HISTORY - a blockade fleet would do that. ... I can continue endlessly.Madner Kami said:
Rey is Phasma's daughter.
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I think the idea of Phasma being Rey's mother would be interesting if only to introduce a compelling mother-daughter relationship into the universe. But honestly I'd prefer it if Finn and Rey were unrelated to any other characters, especially the Skywalkers. I know Star Wars is all about coincidences but going completely down the Lost route would just be tiresome, honestly.
No...Just...Just no.American Fox said:
Except Fett was handled with a lot more dignity. He was the main reason Han was captured, actually got to fight a bit in Episode 6, and was taken out by being almost literally blindsided and devoured by an ancient horror.Ezekiel said:
Phasma got jumped, was forced to shut down her own side's defenses, and was then thrown in the garbage.
Good lord, but the villains in that movie freaking SUCK!
Well it's a good thing that he has nothing to do with the franchise anymore, Rian Johnson is writing and directing the next one. Plus even J.J. would admit that its too easy to make her Luke's daughter, and plus what kind of sense does it make to just drop her off on a desert planet to be raised by morally dubious scavengers, and even if he did you'd think she would've said something about being Luke's daughter because I certainly knew my parents' names when I was 5-6 years old. Also if she were Han and Leia's daughter her reaction upon seeing the Millennium Falcon wouldn't have been "That ship's garbage" but "When this this fat bastard steal my dad's ship?" In conclusion she's not Luke or Han's daughter, nothing about her actions or any aspect of her character (besides the Force sensitivity) would suggest that she is related to either of them.Silentpony said:
I wouldn't call being taken out by a blind smuggler by accident, and falling into a creature to be digested for a 1000 years any more dignified of a defeat than being blindsided by a Wookie.Metalix Knightmare said:
I would say that Kylo Ren had a pretty good run, he killed one main character, nearly two, and was only defeated through group effort (Han's death emotionally effecting him, Chewie's shot to the spleen, Finn's shoulder graze and finally Rey's Force sensitivity giving her the edge needed to finish him off), definitely better than Vader's defeat in A New Hope in which he got taken out by his own incompetent wingman.Metalix Knightmare said:
Again, Fett was the primary reason Han was captured, got to fight in Ep6, and wasn't used to weaken the Empire. None of which applies to Phasma.
And Kylo Ren had a good run? The dude was fighting on near equal ground to an EX-STORMTROOPER! Injury or not, Finn should've been Sushi early in that fight!
Ren had only one real good scene. Stopping the blaster bolt. After that it was almost entirely downhill for him. Temper Tantrums, having his mind probe turned on him by a greenhorn Jedi, and in the end he had to be saved by the planet exploding. Ren makes me ashamed to play Sith in The Old Republic!
Also, Vader's wingman most likely saved him from getting blown up by Han in The Falcon. Either way, Vader still established himself better as a Badass in his first movie than Ren ever did. Freaking a, the man's second and fifth scenes had him strangling people effortlessly! (The first time with one hand and lifting the poor schmuck off the ground, the second time with his goddamn MIND just to make a point!)
Not to mention that until Han showed up, Vader was killing off pretty much every Rebel Fighter in his way, and was about to finish off Luke.
And Kylo Ren had a good run? The dude was fighting on near equal ground to an EX-STORMTROOPER! Injury or not, Finn should've been Sushi early in that fight!
Ren had only one real good scene. Stopping the blaster bolt. After that it was almost entirely downhill for him. Temper Tantrums, having his mind probe turned on him by a greenhorn Jedi, and in the end he had to be saved by the planet exploding. Ren makes me ashamed to play Sith in The Old Republic!
Also, Vader's wingman most likely saved him from getting blown up by Han in The Falcon. Either way, Vader still established himself better as a Badass in his first movie than Ren ever did. Freaking a, the man's second and fifth scenes had him strangling people effortlessly! (The first time with one hand and lifting the poor schmuck off the ground, the second time with his goddamn MIND just to make a point!)
Not to mention that until Han showed up, Vader was killing off pretty much every Rebel Fighter in his way, and was about to finish off Luke.
She says whoever Rey is waiting for on Jakku is never coming back. That could still be Luke, Leia, or any of a number of people who are never coming back to Jakku for her. In fact, Luke seemed happy to stay lost up until he was found. By Rey.American Fox said:
Hell, that doesn't actually have to be her parents, either.
I hope they have more of a plan than George Lucas did going in. Otherwise, it doesn't matter who you think Rey is, or who I think she is, because it probably hasn't been decided yet.American Fox said:
Plus, if we're doing the Star Wars parallels, Obi-Wan straight-up lied about Luke's parents (in continuity, anyway). So Maz could outright say that Rey's parents were dead and her father could still be Luke...from a certain point of view.
I'd say that is a ridiculous premise to conclude they are related, if it weren't for the fact that there have only been 3 black people to have ever been verified to exist in the Star Wars universe.AccursedTheory said:
Rationalizing in fiction is fun.
He's said that he liked the script enough that he wished he was directing it. That would be a strange thing to say, I would think, if he had direct control.MC1980 said:
Disney has a department set up with the sole purpose of controlling canon, something Lucas never did. I imagine that department is the one that makes the call on big plot points, like who's related. Abrams isn't a part of that, as far as I know, so I'm fairly certain he doesn't get to make shots like that.
I put this in the wrong thread initially, but BloatedGuppy has given me an opening to fix that!
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AccursedTheory said:
Yeah I know what she said. I don't believe her. The resemblance between them is strong, Erso is the right age, has a similar accent, and probably more important than anything...why now? Why this story, at this time? Between episodes 7 and 8? It's kind of a random story, isn't it? Stealing the Death Star plans? Han Solo is a wildly popular character, so "Young Han Solo" makes some sense as a stand alone, but this?AccursedTheory said:
It's fishy, I tells ya.
It's probably fair to suspect it's a smoke screen, but I think it may be a bit much to link hair color to parentage. That's just me though.BloatedGuppy said:
As for Rogue One, I'm pretty sure it's just part of Disney's new 'Official Canon' push, not some sort of back door for Moms. The books and the TV shows are largely about the 'unseen,' non-Skywalker heroes, why not give them a movie or two?
Possibly. I just have a hard time believing Disney won't try and create a connected universe, the way they have with MCU. Rogue One is still very much its own story, taking place outside the Skywalker legacy. Assuming we believe Rey is Luke's daughter, which all outwardly evident signs point to (to the extent that they would become annoying red herrings if she's not), Luke had to have banged SOMEONE. Why not an attractive co-worker?AccursedTheory said:
Kasdan co-wrote Episode VII.MC1980 said:
As to the question of Finn...I both understand the complaint, and view it as somewhat tone-deaf to the nature of the Star Wars films in general. Emotional trauma and the stresses of war seldom visit the characters, and when they do it's often for the briefest of moments. This is very broad, basic, primal storytelling. It's never been particularly interested in the nuances of character or highly complex emotional states. That's both good (it makes for extremely digestible entertainment and larger-than-life heroics) and bad (it lacks the complexity and intelligence of more sophisticated storytelling and characterization). TLDR - It's Star Wars. It is what it is. We're seven films in now, people should generally know what to expect and whether or not they have an appetite for it.
Well, Disney doesn't directly write everything Star Wars. They're simply directing people what they can write. This is the opposite of what Lucas did, which was basically just hand out pay checks to people who wrote whatever.MC1980 said:
EDIT: Whoops, hit post without actually typing my thoughts in.BloatedGuppy said:
It's certainly possible, what you're saying. But Disney is doing a lot of things right now.
1. Post-Prequel Clean Up - There are several books and comics focused on this period. They cover setting up the power structure of the Empire, to include Vader and Tarkin's place in the mess. This is the line that most closely attaches to the movies.
2. Setting up the Rebellion - This is basically the purpose of the Rebels show, along with the associated books (A New Dawn) and the comics (The Last Padawan).
3. Post-Original Clean Up - They've done a few books that show the collapse of the Empire, along with how it survived the collapse. Unfortunately, these are the ones that are supposedly poorly written, so I haven't read them.
4. Post-Clone Wars Clean Up - Pretty much one novel on this one, as far as I know (Dark Disciple).
Perhaps it's wishful thinking on my part to assume that Rogue One is related more to this secondary material then the primary films. I dunno, the secondary stuff is what I like most about the New Star Wars, so take that for what it is.
On that note, new theory - Rey is the child of Ezra Bridger and Sabine Wren, abandoned just before the Rebel mission that would kill them.
The time frame is a bit screwy, but fuck it, why not?
Honestly, I've wanted this since the 80s. Maybe the early 90s. Something like that. Like, I like Luke's arc and whatnot, but I wanted to see other stories in this fertile space Western meets samurai flicks universe.AccursedTheory said:
Granted, I'll judge whether Rogue One is good on its own merits, because it could still suck. I mean, there was a time when I was still looking forward to the story of Anakin Skywalker being told. That...did not go well.
I like this idea of an expanded film universe, though. It's pretty cool.
Well, I can't say who wrote what, but Lawrence was one of the scriptwriters for Episode VII.MC1980 said:
Should have said something earlier when I quoted you, but it slipped my mind.MC1980 said:
I thought it was fairly clear that Finn was shocked not because of the violence itself, but because of the indiscriminate murder of people who were offering no resistance to him, and the utter lack of shit anyone around him seemed to give.
Not that it makes your interpretation of the movie incorrect, but the expanded material makes that more clear. Finn actually excelled in stormtrooper training, and is shown to be quite adept at violence. He just doesn't share everyone else's view that violence against everyone is ok. He is, however, perfectly capable and willing to kill people if he has to.
I'm with you on that. That's why Rebels and Clone Wars are my favorite Star Wars stuff - The movies make it feel like the whole galaxy is just the play ground for 5 or 6 people. The shows and books make it feel like there's actually a galaxy out there, and create room for more numerous and interesting stories where the stakes feel higher, even if they aren't. I'm really excited that they may be bringing that to the big screen.Something Amyss said:
Though, I have to say, I am a bit disappointed, mainly by the Solo movie. It feels like a step back to the old EU, where even the expanded universe is bogged down by the main characters.