Ridiculously unfair stuff in multiplayer

[RJ 17]

1: Marine Grenade Launcher. Timed and Proximity mines are alright, but Spider and EMP grenades are ridiculously overpowerd.

2: Marine rocket launcher's homing mode. Yeah, once you get a lock, the target is dead. Period. You could pull the trigger from across the map and watch the tart run behind three buildings and jump into a tunnel...the rocket will follow the target's exact path and blow'em up, laughing as it makes as many 90 degree turns as it wants.

3: Marine Smart Gun. Soooo your aim never leaves me if I'm on your screen, you just have to hold down the trigger? There's a word for that in other games...it's called using an aim-bot.

4: Predator Shoulder Cannon. 2 charged shots that never miss and you're dead? Yeah, that's pretty over powered.

5: Just to be fair I'll go ahead and say the spear gun because a camping pred is 100% invisible to marines and there's really not much they can do about a pred with a speargun that knows how to aim it.

I played AvP2 a lot. And absolutely none of these things bothered me. They all had work arounds. For all locking weapons with traveling projectiles you just had to bunny hop sidestep and they would miss 100% of the time. People almost never used the smart gun because it ate through ammo quickly and did almost no damage, which meant that whoever was using it usually had a very short lifespan. EMP weapons didn't hurt marines; any alien would easily pounce away by the time they shot, any predator should be ambushing and not give them the chance to shoot. And if a predator camps with a spear gun they will die very fast to aliens. If for some reason you are playing without the games best race, there's a reason players are given 500 bullets of pulse rifle ammo. Predators hide in predictable spots, shoot a few shots at all the obvious places until you hit something, and then lay waste to it.

I played 90% of the time as an alien runner, and consistently scored the highest in the game.

mass talons or dryads/the other druids in WC3, i hated those

This is annoying as hell, as I play Orc. And every single Nightelf does it at higher levels. The only real work around is to just avoid them and base raid as much as possible while denying expansions.

Also in regards to wc3. Basically everything about Undead in wc3 is stupid. For example, with level 2 unholy aura standing on blight, the entire undead army has faster regeneration than a fountain of life, and once that aura hits level 3 it becomes retarded. Meaning that you can basically never attack the enemy base.

With regards to AvP2: I was primarily a Heavy Pred and went Predalien if the level was right. And allow me to clarify on some of these:

The EMP grenade's stun was just ridiculously too long, if the marine manages to hit you with one you're most likely going to die.

You might be able to hop-dodge a disc, but hop-dodging a shoulder cannon is a little harder, unless the pred is stupid and doesn't charge his shots.

The rocket launcher is impossible to dodge. I have personally seen a rocket make three 90 degree turns to hit a guy who had run inside of a building.

The spider mines is really just kinda a pet peeve of mine...I just don't like the fact that you can spray'em around a hallway and start getting kills when you're on the opposite side of the map.

With regards to WCIII: That game's very premise is just stupid. I've mentioned before in other topics, but the introduction of Hero units utterly ruined the game as an RTS. It's no longer about who can build the most effective army and utilize it correctly...it becomes a game of "My heroes are bigger than yours so I win." Granted this is under the assumption that both players are competent. Where as in Star Craft (specifically Brood Wars, I haven't - and likely won't - played SC II) you could actually see a genuinely good game that's evenly matched between two evenly matched players. WC III, on the other hand, the victor of two evenly matched players comes down to who has the higher lvled heroes.

 

[somonels]

Other players that are better than you, must be hacking.

Dota 2 can be really unbalanced and annoying, anti-mage can be overpowered pretty much the whole game.

They should take some balancing tips from HoN... or not.

Anti mage can just be so horribly annoying throughout the entire game when you're playing as a caster. I know it's in the name, but he has shedloads of health, speed, damage, he has blink, and just devastates you at all levels, it's so annoying.

A common 'defence' is to 'address it' which is always as **** of an excuse as the 'meta' is but if one hero forces the enemy team to play such a specific way, it's undefendable. I have been watching Gigabyte Dota2 masters games and I can easily relate, HoN used to have the same problem - which we have traded for other problems - but I prefer yours, since there is still a place for supports.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

You forgot pre-nerf Evelyn and Twitch, especially Eve, who had one of the fastest jungles in the game, unmatched ganks due to her invisibility, a speed steroid and an on hit stun.

Pre-nerf Twitch, oh god. I still have nightmares about him

That laugh was usually followed by "YOU HAVE BEEN SLAIN!"

 

[poisonedcon]

You forgot pre-nerf Evelyn and Twitch, especially Eve, who had one of the fastest jungles in the game, unmatched ganks due to her invisibility, a speed steroid and an on hit stun.

Pre-nerf Twitch, oh god. I still have nightmares about him

That laugh was usually followed by "YOU HAVE BEEN SLAIN!"

Ugh, that depraved little chuckle he does...

 

[exp. 99]

The KV in World of Tanks. When you see one, you know that you are royally screwed. It has the speed of a Soviet tank, the armor of a German tank, and the raw power of a French tank. It can one shot almost any tank below it, and several tanks above it, and the way matchmaking is set up, you'll see one in most games between tier 3 and 7 (it being tier 5). Glad to finally be away from it? That's okay, meet the tier 7 KV-3, an upgrade!

The problem with the KV which is being fixed is that it is a tier 5 tank stats wise and no engine is shit on it and highly prone to fire but has 2 OP guns for its tier and thus also gets ridiculous places in MM. I've gotten games where everyone was a higher tier but arty. After the next patch it will be a fine and balanced tank. Even now I'd take my PZIV or SU85B over the KV any day.

So after 7.3 all should be right with the BDR having the best gun and the KV only having better over all armour.

KV isn't particularly terrible, given that it has weaksauce armor (75mm top, if I remember right). Most guns from t4 and up can take that. The trick is to not let them see you, which I'll admit can be hard, but unless you're in a similarly oversized outhouse on tracks, you'll see him before he sees you.

Either way, as a player who both has a KV and regularly fights against them, the engine blows, the tank likes to light on fire, it almost ritualistically is matched vs tier 8 and 9 tanks, and while the 107 is the almighty godstick, you'll get ruined if more than one respectable tank shows its face. KV hunting in my m3 lee was perhaps the funniest thing I've had the chance to enjoy outside of the panzer 2 wolfpacks.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

You forgot pre-nerf Evelyn and Twitch, especially Eve, who had one of the fastest jungles in the game, unmatched ganks due to her invisibility, a speed steroid and an on hit stun.

Pre-nerf Twitch, oh god. I still have nightmares about him

That laugh was usually followed by "YOU HAVE BEEN SLAIN!"

Ugh, that depraved little chuckle he does...

Kinda funny how he went from the harbinger of doom to what is often considered a troll pick. But AD Annie use to be viable sooooo.

 

[direkiller]

COHO

The defenceave doct:
it was overpowered if you did not level it(kept cost down to 50 munnitons)
outer doct/cores had overpowered ablilitys but nothing that cheep

 

[Zipa]

Any game that uses peer to peer based connections for MP, the person(s) with the faster internet connection will always have a massive advantage over those that don't. That's why dedicated servers are the shit.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

The KV in World of Tanks. When you see one, you know that you are royally screwed. It has the speed of a Soviet tank, the armor of a German tank, and the raw power of a French tank. It can one shot almost any tank below it, and several tanks above it, and the way matchmaking is set up, you'll see one in most games between tier 3 and 7 (it being tier 5). Glad to finally be away from it? That's okay, meet the tier 7 KV-3, an upgrade!

The problem with the KV which is being fixed is that it is a tier 5 tank stats wise and no engine is shit on it and highly prone to fire but has 2 OP guns for its tier and thus also gets ridiculous places in MM. I've gotten games where everyone was a higher tier but arty. After the next patch it will be a fine and balanced tank. Even now I'd take my PZIV or SU85B over the KV any day.

So after 7.3 all should be right with the BDR having the best gun and the KV only having better over all armour.

KV isn't particularly terrible, given that it has weaksauce armor (75mm top, if I remember right). Most guns from t4 and up can take that. The trick is to not let them see you, which I'll admit can be hard, but unless you're in a similarly oversized outhouse on tracks, you'll see him before he sees you.

Either way, as a player who both has a KV and regularly fights against them, the engine blows, the tank likes to light on fire, it almost ritualistically is matched vs tier 8 and 9 tanks, and while the 107 is the almighty godstick, you'll get ruined if more than one respectable tank shows its face. KV hunting in my m3 lee was perhaps the funniest thing I've had the chance to enjoy outside of the panzer 2 wolfpacks.

Well I don't find the KV a problem unless it has derp loaded in I want to hit it with my sword range given that I know its weaknesses as I do play it myself. Although everything with it should be peachy in the next patch as I said. For me as well given that I play a fair bit of TD damage(Russian and German) Alpha damage and pen aren't a big deal to me.

 

[TitanAura]

For me it's having achievements tied to the multiplayer component. It's fine to have it in your game and it's fine to ask that I play it, hell I might even enjoy it, but don't make it a requirement for 100% my single player experience. I don't like other people. Leave me alone.

 

[exp. 99]

Well I don't find the KV a problem unless it has derp loaded in I want to hit it with my sword range given that I know its weaknesses as I do play it myself. Although everything with it should be peachy in the next patch as I said. For me as well given that I play a fair bit of TD damage(Russian and German) Alpha damage and pen aren't a big deal to me.

Then we pretty much agree.

At the same time, pointing out my original freemium gripe...

The Type 59. I *loathe* that thing. I wholesale despise it and those who drive it.

Just to put that out there.

 

[marobidoux]

CoD Killstreaks. They're unfairness incarnate.

Winning? Here, take those toys! You clearly need them!

Losing? Shut up and take it while the big boys are having fun, noob... Here's a speed boost so you get killed more quickly. Stop wasting our time!

have you played mw3?

ooh here is a good player who got a high killstreak his assault killstreak rewards will last all of 10 seconds and get 0 kills, because we've made them super weak given you literally fucking homing missiles to shoot them down with, perks to couter them with and made it so you cant die from them within 5 seconds of spawning.

oh youre a bad player? dont worry with support you can have all the UAV's and counters you want and dont forget to equip the stealth bomber for a no-skill multi kill and just to really piss the other team off have a free EMP, on me go on it'll really fuck up their day, what are you struggling to get kills? why not spawn behind the good players or get dead mans nuke, its okay that your a paraplegic retard everyone should be able to do well in our game


mw3 is the most ridiculously noob friendly game ever, what a game should do is reward you for being a good player (with killstreaks) and punish you for being a bad player (with death, and the loss of killstreaks) mw3 rewards bad players with cheap, easy kills, death streaks like dead mans nuke, and giving them better killstreaks than skilled players.

pandering for good players is the best way to ruin MP, if your bad you should have to either learn how to play or get dominated by good players not rewarded for being bad with bullshit like dead mans hand.


on topic: urban cohorts and praetorian cav

Yeah I'm playing MW3 but I haven't finished unlocking everything so I didn't see the Dead Man's Hand Deathstreak. I looked it up and yeah, that's complete BS. I'm totally against giving rewards to bad players. That's not how you resolve a balance issue.

I don't mind the choppers, because I can take them down. I don't mind the UAVs and support stuff (drones, turrets, IMS, EMP, etc.) because there is a way to work around them. What I hate is getting killed because some dude decided to fire a missile at my glowing red square. That's what I call a cheap, easy kill with no skill.

 

[OctoH]

Human Vanguards in ME3. The Biotic Charge + Nova combo is pretty OP.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Well I don't find the KV a problem unless it has derp loaded in I want to hit it with my sword range given that I know its weaknesses as I do play it myself. Although everything with it should be peachy in the next patch as I said. For me as well given that I play a fair bit of TD damage(Russian and German) Alpha damage and pen aren't a big deal to me.

Then we pretty much agree.

At the same time, pointing out my original freemium gripe...

The Type 59. I *loathe* that thing. I wholesale despise it and those who drive it.

Just to put that out there.

Well as far as I know it was removed from the shop so at least the people with it are static and can only decline.

 

[The Wykydtron]

Agreed with Dark souls. I pretty much just don't even play it anymore because of how crap the PvP was. I wanted to try fighting some guy's but everybody and I mean everybody had some kind of stupid end game level lightning weapon that they could use to 2 shot me to death even if I block.

I just got so bored of it that I haven't bothered going back yet.

Yep, the concept behind the PvP is actually pretty genius. Just the griefing culture and technical issues that has come with it has sort of ruined it... Do you know if Demon's Souls had this stuff as well?

Really, I want more start game PvP, real start game PvP. base equipment vs base equipment stuff. Fun tiemz! You only get 6 or so Invasion orbs before you have to go and join the Darkwraiths to get more of them though. Unless i'm just missing another shop that sells them of course XP

This shank battle me and this other guy had in very start Undead Burg was hilarious! Bandit Knife vs Bandit Knife FIGHT!

Also is anything other than a big fuck off greatsword viable in PvP? Maybe certain spells but that's mostly what i've been running into

 

[bluepanda 492]

The Pompson nothing better then losing an uber because of infinite spam.

 

[Jaeke]

Red Dead Redemption: I EARNED THAT 5th LEGENDARY LEVEL 50 YA BASTARDS!

Not like the other 95% of players that hacked their way via Google...

Oh, and Grand Theft Auto 4 free roam with friendly-fire on. Anyone in a car/helicopter with a friend can rape you until the cows come home.

 

[Jaeke]

Human Vanguards in ME3. The Biotic Charge + Nova combo is pretty OP.

Oh hell ya this.
Seriously. Those guys are asses. My Asari Vanguard can round up 60-70k by herself until some douche comes charging in. I seriously saw a guy get 200k one round.

Two-

Hundred

Thousand.

 

[Jaeke]

Smoke bombs in AC Revelations, Ubisoft doesn't care enough to nerf them.

This is why I still prefer Brotherhood over Revelations. Both in Multiplayer and even singleplayer.

 

[ElPatron]

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I am honest, I admit that a shotgun at close range pisses me off many times - but that has to do more with unbalance and map design than shotguns themselves.

When you have a scattergun that hits 9 pellets on a target at point blank range and you can't get one-shot-KO with it, then your gun is pointless. A shotgun should be as good as the top SMGs in the game.