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Daystar Clarion said:
Fuck random crits.

Whoever thought that was a good idea has no concept of game balance.
But a brilliant concept of attracting new players
 

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i love everyone complaining about the killstreaks in modernwarfare 2 when coldblooded pro easily renders them all useless against you. and with a stinger most fall instantly afterwards
I think the problem with killstreaks in CoD is that they're giving a team (or player) that's already doing well an added advantage that they obviously don't need and only serves to further fuck up the balance of the game. The fact that they're counterable is sort of besides the point, in my mind at least.

I'm with you in that as soon as I get perks that invalidate killstreaks I use them, but that doesn't change the underlying problem with them.


Dont get me wrong i hate them as much as the next person (fuck. the. tactical. nuke. fuck that thing up the ass.....with razorblades...) but most people ignore the fact they most can be countered fairly easily. Of course it doesnt defend them ebing there but it makes them being there kinda pointless.
 

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Agreed with Dark souls. I pretty much just don't even play it anymore because of how crap the PvP was. I wanted to try fighting some guy's but everybody and I mean everybody had some kind of stupid end game level lightning weapon that they could use to 2 shot me to death even if I block.

I just got so bored of it that I haven't bothered going back yet.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Aircross said:
Say it all with me now!

RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR

TF2, 95% ubercharge, A WILD CROCKET APPEARS!
Fuck random crits.

Whoever thought that was a good idea has no concept of game balance.
and then you go on a server that has votes on random crits
and almost every round the votes to allow them passes

Capache edit: Apparently, a way to describe "Cat chow" in one word is 'penis'
 

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Blights said:
In the recent Guild Wars 2 beta, Thieves.

They had too much utility, it was ridiculous, since you can't break a thief that's in stealth back out of it. And, in downed state, they had an ability named "smoke bomb", it teleported them randomly a slight distance away and stealth them for a few seconds, which meant in team fights, as long as they had a distraction nearby, they didn't die and the teleport could also bring them through walls, and up stairs.
Every class had a familiar downed spell to that
Thieves also have low health and only do large amounts of damage through backstabs
Also, invisibility lasts a few seconds max, none of this endless cloak like in similar rpgs
In no way were the thieves overpowered.
 

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The PVP in dark souls is certainly annoying. I only play as a hollow for exactly that reason, even though I certainly have the humanity to spare to be human.

But the game is awsome as soon as you get the hang of it (until you've completed it once it's unfair, then you know the game well enough to have fun, which isn't really the best way to do thing,. I liked demon souls better solely for this reason) and jolly cooperation is fun.
 

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Calcium said:
The most overpowered thing in multiplayer is when your brother screen watches. Always rage-inducing!
I actually like playing with four friends while we all try to screen-cheat. It makes the games so fast paced and forces you to keep your eye on everyone else's screen at the same time. Plus the kill-cams can be hilarious if someone just shoots them through cover or a blind grenade kill.
 

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Other players that are better than you, must be hacking.

endtherapture said:
Dota 2 can be really unbalanced and annoying, anti-mage can be overpowered pretty much the whole game.
They should take some balancing tips from HoN... or not.
 

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Ix Rebound said:
Zukabazuka said:
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exp. 99 said:
Host advantage is one thing, admittedly. But you know what really rips my cock off?

Freemium content. You know, games where you have to pay real money to unlock certain items/weapons. Now, if the devs are smart, they won't be unbalancing. But even if they ARE smart, often times they'll be such *anyways*, because nobody can catch everything. So what often happens is some of the premium content winds up being a ludicrous advantage, making it pay to win.

It sucks for those of us who either can't pay, or are insulted by the thought of the highest bidder being the winner.
just to add to this
DLC that lets you unlock EVERYTHING in multiplayer without even playing a single game first
im fucking looking at you EA
Tell me how does unlocking all the weapons gives the player a better chance of killing you? They don't buy skill and they still have to unlock all the scopes for every single weapon. You most likely have unlocked all weapon by now and you know more about the maps you play and combos for weapon that are good.

The dude who unlock them are still gonna have to get used to the weapons and actually aim with them. NO weapon give autoaim. This argument is soo silly to complain about, this is for the EA one the other is a bigger problem. Those buying the pack are actually the loser at this point because it doesn't take much time to unlock all of them.
I'm not saying it make they have a better chance of killing you. I saying that the person who took the time to actually unlock the weapons or abilities, wouldn't have had to if they had just taken the easy way and payed for them. and the stuff you unlock is usually always better than the starer gear.
And besides YOUR the one who said the "premium content winds up being a ludicrous advantage, making it pay to win." which petty much negates your argument, as premium content is almost the same thing as DLC content.
Didn't exactly said that it was exp.99 who said that, what I'm saying is that the buy unlock system for BF3 isn't a big deal since no weapon is locked to pay users only. Everyone can get those guns. For other games it's different but for BF3 its not since most people who played from the start have most likely unlocked all the weapons and most people just stick to a single weapon forever. Also most of the starting weapon are better than the later ones, there are few selected ones that actually is a little bit better but not by a grand mile.
 

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somonels said:
Other players that are better than you, must be hacking.

endtherapture said:
Dota 2 can be really unbalanced and annoying, anti-mage can be overpowered pretty much the whole game.
They should take some balancing tips from HoN... or not.
Anti mage can just be so horribly annoying throughout the entire game when you're playing as a caster. I know it's in the name, but he has shedloads of health, speed, damage, he has blink, and just devastates you at all levels, it's so annoying.
 

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Zukabazuka said:
Ix Rebound said:
Zukabazuka said:
Ix Rebound said:
exp. 99 said:
Host advantage is one thing, admittedly. But you know what really rips my cock off?

Freemium content. You know, games where you have to pay real money to unlock certain items/weapons. Now, if the devs are smart, they won't be unbalancing. But even if they ARE smart, often times they'll be such *anyways*, because nobody can catch everything. So what often happens is some of the premium content winds up being a ludicrous advantage, making it pay to win.

It sucks for those of us who either can't pay, or are insulted by the thought of the highest bidder being the winner.
just to add to this
DLC that lets you unlock EVERYTHING in multiplayer without even playing a single game first
im fucking looking at you EA
Tell me how does unlocking all the weapons gives the player a better chance of killing you? They don't buy skill and they still have to unlock all the scopes for every single weapon. You most likely have unlocked all weapon by now and you know more about the maps you play and combos for weapon that are good.

The dude who unlock them are still gonna have to get used to the weapons and actually aim with them. NO weapon give autoaim. This argument is soo silly to complain about, this is for the EA one the other is a bigger problem. Those buying the pack are actually the loser at this point because it doesn't take much time to unlock all of them.
I'm not saying it make they have a better chance of killing you. I saying that the person who took the time to actually unlock the weapons or abilities, wouldn't have had to if they had just taken the easy way and payed for them. and the stuff you unlock is usually always better than the starer gear.
And besides YOUR the one who said the "premium content winds up being a ludicrous advantage, making it pay to win." which petty much negates your argument, as premium content is almost the same thing as DLC content.
Didn't exactly said that it was exp.99 who said that, what I'm saying is that the buy unlock system for BF3 isn't a big deal since no weapon is locked to pay users only. Everyone can get those guns. For other games it's different but for BF3 its not since most people who played from the start have most likely unlocked all the weapons and most people just stick to a single weapon forever. Also most of the starting weapon are better than the later ones, there are few selected ones that actually is a little bit better but not by a grand mile.
It's mostly unfair with vehicles. It's hard to get kills with jet machineguns until you're good at flying, so the first few kills until you get heat seekers (and flares!) are a lot of work. Buying that gives you a massive advantage. When BF3 came out I spent maybe 6 hours getting the hang of flying a jet, slowly gathering points through assissts and disables until I finally unlocked heatseekers (they were still useful back then, especially since few people had flares) Same thing with every other vehicle, best stuff comes last

Which brings me to an unfair thing: Vehicle and weapon unlocks. I get that you have to unlock stuff, but would it really kill the leveling if all vehicles started out with smokes/flares/methods to lose locks?
I really hated it in BF: BC2, where everyone and their mother ran around with magnum ammo, which you didn't get until level 18, meaning you were outgunned until you reached that level.
I hate perks which increase damage anyway, since they're usually the least useful perks but you'll get killed fast if you don't have it. IN BF:BC2 when I got magnum ammo I continued running around with the medkit upgrades instead of that. I got lots of heals and points, but I got gunned down in nearly every straight firefight. Not fun.
 

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Zukabazuka said:
Ix Rebound said:
Zukabazuka said:
Ix Rebound said:
exp. 99 said:
Host advantage is one thing, admittedly. But you know what really rips my cock off?

Freemium content. You know, games where you have to pay real money to unlock certain items/weapons. Now, if the devs are smart, they won't be unbalancing. But even if they ARE smart, often times they'll be such *anyways*, because nobody can catch everything. So what often happens is some of the premium content winds up being a ludicrous advantage, making it pay to win.

It sucks for those of us who either can't pay, or are insulted by the thought of the highest bidder being the winner.
just to add to this
DLC that lets you unlock EVERYTHING in multiplayer without even playing a single game first
im fucking looking at you EA
Tell me how does unlocking all the weapons gives the player a better chance of killing you? They don't buy skill and they still have to unlock all the scopes for every single weapon. You most likely have unlocked all weapon by now and you know more about the maps you play and combos for weapon that are good.

The dude who unlock them are still gonna have to get used to the weapons and actually aim with them. NO weapon give autoaim. This argument is soo silly to complain about, this is for the EA one the other is a bigger problem. Those buying the pack are actually the loser at this point because it doesn't take much time to unlock all of them.
I'm not saying it make they have a better chance of killing you. I saying that the person who took the time to actually unlock the weapons or abilities, wouldn't have had to if they had just taken the easy way and payed for them. and the stuff you unlock is usually always better than the starer gear.
And besides YOUR the one who said the "premium content winds up being a ludicrous advantage, making it pay to win." which petty much negates your argument, as premium content is almost the same thing as DLC content.
Didn't exactly said that it was exp.99 who said that, what I'm saying is that the buy unlock system for BF3 isn't a big deal since no weapon is locked to pay users only. Everyone can get those guns. For other games it's different but for BF3 its not since most people who played from the start have most likely unlocked all the weapons and most people just stick to a single weapon forever. Also most of the starting weapon are better than the later ones, there are few selected ones that actually is a little bit better but not by a grand mile.
crap i didn't read the name of who quoted me
my bad
But back on topic,it takes a hell of a lot of games just to finish one class in bf3(if your an OK player like me)
and if the starter weapons were better than most of the ones you unlock, what the point of having an unlock system?
and its not just the guns im talking about, there are some equipment and abilities you have to level up in order to get ass well, like mortars and and those faster sprint or more ammo things
 

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totally heterosexual said:
Engie nests.

Well not really since im an expert on busting them but still they do slow the game down like a *****.
This, couldn't there be something that prevents engies all building too close together? Or would this just unbalance the game? I don't know.
 
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Mad Sun said:
The KV in World of Tanks. When you see one, you know that you are royally screwed. It has the speed of a Soviet tank, the armor of a German tank, and the raw power of a French tank. It can one shot almost any tank below it, and several tanks above it, and the way matchmaking is set up, you'll see one in most games between tier 3 and 7 (it being tier 5). Glad to finally be away from it? That's okay, meet the tier 7 KV-3, an upgrade!
The problem with the KV which is being fixed is that it is a tier 5 tank stats wise and no engine is shit on it and highly prone to fire but has 2 OP guns for its tier and thus also gets ridiculous places in MM. I've gotten games where everyone was a higher tier but arty. After the next patch it will be a fine and balanced tank. Even now I'd take my PZIV or SU85B over the KV any day.

So after 7.3 all should be right with the BDR having the best gun and the KV only having better over all armour.
 

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psilontech said:
The plasma gun in Tribes: Ascend for about the five days before they fixed it. Your hitbox for the purposes of that thing hitting you was something along the lines of three to four times that of normal.
But then they fixed it and I was happily doing well in Arena again. Still a bit of a pain to play against, but nothing so insurmountable as it was before they fixed it.

People who intentionally cause lag in CTF of the same game. Pathfinder comes in and grabs the flag under guise of lag and you don't even get told about it until he's teleported 1/4 the way back to his base.
The Plasma was way OP for a while, but I still have a huge issue (as a new player) with the Juggurnaut. Only class that can one-hit kill (with skill mind you) with the 2nd highest health. Every other class needed 3 or 4 hits. He needs a near miss.

OT: League of Legends has had the FAMOUS FIVE. The five champions that were so gamebreaking overpowered that every game was "if you have them, you win. If they have them. Queue dodge. If he is banned, you're fine"

#5 Release day LeBlanc
One shot capable on any champ starting at Level 6.

#4 Old Shaco
Lower cooldowns and higher damage on a champ still considered to be one of the best junglers in the game.

#3 Beta Heimerdinger
5 turrets. Nuff said.

#2 Release day Xin Zhao
Top players set kill records, as he was capable of 1 v 5ing your entire team.

#1 Beta Twisted Fate
His global teleport? 16 seconds cooldown on his E. His W? AN AREA OF EFFECT 2 SECOND STUN! His ult? GLOBAL SLOW AND REVEAL.
You forgot pre-nerf Evelyn and Twitch, especially Eve, who had one of the fastest jungles in the game, unmatched ganks due to her invisibility, a speed steroid and an on hit stun.
 

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JLML said:
ElPatron said:
Perhaps submachineguns in general.

Fast rate of fire and unrealistic spread make them more useful than shotguns a lot of times and have such high power that they make both shotguns and assault rifles redundant.

And let's not mention that games like CoD have like 5 square meters of area and the inaccuracy of SMGs doesn't make a difference.

A lot of spawns. The MW spawn system has been broken for the past 3 games with no fix, in BF2 it is plagued by spawnkilling. But at least you can chose where you spawn.
Funny you mention that about SMGs. Since, you know, I've been playing APB for like, a shitload of time this weekend, coming to the conclusion that it's just stupid. Stupid, because an SMG will beat a shotgun at 1-5 meters. And I'm talking when aimed exactly at each other. And the shotgun is auto-fire. Heck, it's even worse when the targets are moving around, within that 5 meter distance, then the SMG is even more superior to the shotgun. We're talking like, 5-10 bullets from an SMG to kill. Whereas the shotgun can get 3 direct hits without killing. /rant
APB isn't meant to be balanced in any sense of the word. Its a greifer's paradise xD.
 

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The Wykydtron said:
Some guys are dicks, man, but some others arent.

I once was invaded by a guy in the forest section (dont remember the name now) and I was playing with a friend so we waited for the guy, when he appeared he was still far away so he waved at us and we waved back, he got near us and pointed to the left (I was the host) so I told my friend to not fight and just espectate. It was a 1 on 1, we bought did the "Proper bow" and started the fight like two gentlemen.

Another time I was invaded by another guy that attacked me while I was doing the bow and then he was always with the shield up waiting for me to make the first move without ever running in my direction, what a coward.
 

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Jinxzy said:
Lets see there's:
WoW PvP - if your leveling in wow on a pvp server, good luck.
Highly subjective, that. Don't want to come off flame-y, but I think that after levelling a bunch of alts to 80 I can state I personally enjoyed the constant sense of danger whenever I met a horde character.

... I still parked my rogue with the express purpose of getting revenge on any lvl ?? ganking my alt whenever I was in STV, but that's another story.

On Topic: personally I always disliked the gigantic difficulty curve involved in CS:S. In order to start enjoying the game one has to resign himself to being a punch bag for the first two months.
I personally have two rules for these situations (when I'm the higher level character, obviously... otherwise, I don't get to make the rules). Firstly, if I'm somewhere they belong and I don't (as in, if I'm exploring their level 15 area at max level) they get a pass, whereas they won't be so lucky if they're somewhere they don't belong. Secondly? I never, ever, ever kill somebody more than twice unless they ask for it.

Repeatedly ganking someone lower level than you while they quest is just mean. And kinda useless. That said, using a non-damaging stun move to scare the crap out of them, and then doing nothing else, is hillarious... especially the pally one that makes 'em kneel before you.
Generally refrained from ganking whenever I was levelling. It spirals out of hand much too easily, and that means one can forget about efficient questing for the next hour or so.
There were some exceptions though - mainly people I thought would be a good fight - and I still have quite a few fond memories of those.

For example: I met a mage while levelling my rogue through Zangarmarsh. We fought some 10 rounds (he won most of them, but not by a wide margin), and after that waved whenever we saw one another for the next two years.
 

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maddawg IAJI said:
You forgot pre-nerf Evelyn and Twitch, especially Eve, who had one of the fastest jungles in the game, unmatched ganks due to her invisibility, a speed steroid and an on hit stun.
Pre-nerf Twitch, oh god. I still have nightmares about him :(