RIFT vs WOW Debate! If you've played both Jump on in!

[Sean951]

Being an avid WoW-fan who saw his friends playing Rift during the free beta, it was WoW: Now with updated brown graphics! I really don't get what all the new games have against vibrant colors... I want my fantasy wonderland to be, well, a fantasy wonderland. I also found Rift's talent system odd, to say the least. You are required to spread your talents out, keeping you from attaining the amazing spells too early, and there was some sort of sub talents beneath that seemed to alter/add spells. The Rift events were ridiculous as well, putting a level 20 elite with about 1,000,000 HP in the starting area... I mean come on, that's as much health as the first Raid bosses had in classic WoW.

But ya, speaking both objectively and as a WoW fan, WoW was better, though Rift had at least one interesting idea in the class system. It seemed impossible to balance, but... Ya.

 

[ionveau]

Both have overpriced subscription plan

If fifteen bucks a month really breaks the bank, you may want another hobby. Nothing I've heard about it makes it sound better than WoW.

First MMOs keep you playing so they become your primary game meaning that most of your internet plan goes towards this game, So lets say i pay $50/month for my internet it becomes $65 on top of that TV phone etc.

And i hope you know blizzard spends around $0.03 on you to stay connected to the game all day long, last time i was playing my bandwidth was 3kb/sec some company's give you 400GB worth of online storage for $10 just saying
proof http://www.carbonite.com/en/

In your reply you MAY say that online storage is not an MMO and i will reply Yup only MMO players are so dumb as to over pay on products and expect others selling the same product to give them a better deal, what can you say they are mostly 14 year olds.

 

[therockdemon]

i played the beta of rift and i have been playing wow more than 3 years now and i have said this to all that have asked me, they are very different in the character, class and abilitys but in game play they are very similar, and because rift is new and familiar people want to try what it and i think if you are not sure then you should give it a go

 

[Sean951]

Both have overpriced subscription plan

If fifteen bucks a month really breaks the bank, you may want another hobby. Nothing I've heard about it makes it sound better than WoW.

First MMOs keep you playing so they become your primary game meaning that most of your internet plan goes towards this game, So lets say i pay $50/month for my internet it becomes $65 on top of that TV phone etc.

And i hope you know blizzard spends around $0.03 on you to stay connected to the game all day long, last time i was playing my bandwidth was 3kb/sec some company's give you 400GB worth of online storage for $10 just saying
proof http://www.carbonite.com/en/

In your reply you MAY say that online storage is not an MMO and i will reply Yup only MMO players are so dumb as to over pay on products and expect others selling the same product to give them a better deal, what can you say they are mostly 14 year olds.

$15 per month is cheaper than a pack a week smoking habit, drugs, a bottle of most liqueur, going to a movie and getting a drink/popcorn, going to a concert, etc. While I'm sure many still do those things, myself included for an occasional movie or concert, I get far more bang for my buck from WoW. Even if I only play an hour a day, it comes to 50 cents for an hour of fun, and let's face it, most people play games for more than an hour a day. I have spent roughly $600 since buying the game 3 years ago, and it averages to less than a quarter an hour, including a 3 month stretch when I forgot to unsubscribe and barely played at all. That's not a bad deal in my opinion.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Well it won't be a WoW killer because of the rabid fan base, but it seems the production quality is on par if not better then WoW so it should do very well.

But for me it is not, been WoW obsessed for years and now I only see the repetitive time consumption mechanics that just string you along like a clueless labrat.

 

[ionveau]

Both have overpriced subscription plan

If fifteen bucks a month really breaks the bank, you may want another hobby. Nothing I've heard about it makes it sound better than WoW.

First MMOs keep you playing so they become your primary game meaning that most of your internet plan goes towards this game, So lets say i pay $50/month for my internet it becomes $65 on top of that TV phone etc.

And i hope you know blizzard spends around $0.03 on you to stay connected to the game all day long, last time i was playing my bandwidth was 3kb/sec some company's give you 400GB worth of online storage for $10 just saying
proof http://www.carbonite.com/en/

In your reply you MAY say that online storage is not an MMO and i will reply Yup only MMO players are so dumb as to over pay on products and expect others selling the same product to give them a better deal, what can you say they are mostly 14 year olds.

$15 per month is cheaper than a pack a week smoking habit, drugs, a bottle of most liqueur, going to a movie and getting a drink/popcorn, going to a concert, etc. While I'm sure many still do those things, myself included for an occasional movie or concert, I get far more bang for my buck from WoW. Even if I only play an hour a day, it comes to 50 cents for an hour of fun, and let's face it, most people play games for more than an hour a day. I have spent roughly $600 since buying the game 3 years ago, and it averages to less than a quarter an hour, including a 3 month stretch when I forgot to unsubscribe and barely played at all. That's not a bad deal in my opinion.

Why do i keep hearing about smoking and drinking liquor? Is blizzard paying people to go to every forum and copy+paste this line or something? anyway,

When ever i hear i person say this line i just want to throw up in disgust, Do you even understand what your saying or is this a type of therapy used to convince yourself you are using your cash wisely?

Cash is hard to come by and just throwing it away like this is not very wise in my opinion, Im not saying smoking is wise nor do i say drinking liquor, Yet both smoking and drinking liquor have advantages and disadvantages while WoW only has a disadvantage.

I do think your missing the point of alot of these things my friend we watch movies for social interactions since we live in city's and we are brain washed into thinking that watching a movie is needed for a good time with friends or family, WoW on the other hand has no social benifits other then to the disabled, Dont say that being in a guild is a social interaction i have been in these things and i know for a fact its not a friendly place to be, you are liked based on your items not your attitude or opinion, these guilds even set ranks and create private channels on ventrilo for higher up members, So if anything its not a social area unless you want to adapt to this kind of "friendship" witch in my opinion is an abomination


Ok lets say your right and your getting banged for your bucks lets take this situation

I played an FPS for an hour im like oh ya this was fun and i feel like i did something in game,
You play your MMO you grind for your item thats 1/6 part of your set and you feel that you need to grind more to get more items, Wasted time

I played mine craft for an hour and built a statue - Mental stimulation
I played an MMO for an hour i clicked the same 5 skills over and over for an hour while targeting rats - Mental stimulation equal to watching a bug walk across your wall

You play chess - Equal battle leading to a fun and stressful game
You play An MMO with PvP - The guy with higher number wins leading to a more relaxed game when the loser knows he lost even before the first move is made.

 

[Corven]

I played wow a few months before cata came out got one character to 80, and while it was fun for a time, there was just so much content that I missed due to no one caring about anything but endgame content. "oh what molten core? no we want to get to 80 as fast as possible to grind heroics." hell I barely left the first zone of outlands getting to level 68.

With rift I at least get a chance to experience everything, since it's still only a few months old.

My stance on it is, WoW is WoW, rift is rift, play what you enjoy and don't give other people a hard time about what they enjoy.

 

[Sean951]

Both have overpriced subscription plan

If fifteen bucks a month really breaks the bank, you may want another hobby. Nothing I've heard about it makes it sound better than WoW.

First MMOs keep you playing so they become your primary game meaning that most of your internet plan goes towards this game, So lets say i pay $50/month for my internet it becomes $65 on top of that TV phone etc.

And i hope you know blizzard spends around $0.03 on you to stay connected to the game all day long, last time i was playing my bandwidth was 3kb/sec some company's give you 400GB worth of online storage for $10 just saying
proof http://www.carbonite.com/en/

In your reply you MAY say that online storage is not an MMO and i will reply Yup only MMO players are so dumb as to over pay on products and expect others selling the same product to give them a better deal, what can you say they are mostly 14 year olds.

$15 per month is cheaper than a pack a week smoking habit, drugs, a bottle of most liqueur, going to a movie and getting a drink/popcorn, going to a concert, etc. While I'm sure many still do those things, myself included for an occasional movie or concert, I get far more bang for my buck from WoW. Even if I only play an hour a day, it comes to 50 cents for an hour of fun, and let's face it, most people play games for more than an hour a day. I have spent roughly $600 since buying the game 3 years ago, and it averages to less than a quarter an hour, including a 3 month stretch when I forgot to unsubscribe and barely played at all. That's not a bad deal in my opinion.

Why do i keep hearing about smoking and drinking liquor? Is blizzard paying people to go to every forum and copy+paste this line or something? anyway,

When ever i hear i person say this line i just want to throw up in disgust, Do you even understand what your saying or is this a type of therapy used to convince yourself you are using your cash wisely?

Cash is hard to come by and just throwing it away like this is not very wise in my opinion, Im not saying smoking is wise nor do i say drinking liquor, Yet both smoking and drinking liquor have advantages and disadvantages while WoW only has a disadvantage.

I do think your missing the point of alot of these things my friend we watch movies for social interactions since we live in city's and we are brain washed into thinking that watching a movie is needed for a good time with friends or family, WoW on the other hand has no social benifits other then to the disabled, Dont say that being in a guild is a social interaction i have been in these things and i know for a fact its not a friendly place to be, you are liked based on your items not your attitude or opinion, these guilds even set ranks and create private channels on ventrilo for higher up members, So if anything its not a social area unless you want to adapt to this kind of "friendship" witch in my opinion is an abomination


Ok lets say your right and your getting banged for your bucks lets take this situation

I played an FPS for an hour im like oh ya this was fun and i feel like i did something in game,
You play your MMO you grind for your item thats 1/6 part of your set and you feel that you need to grind more to get more items, Wasted time

I played mine craft for an hour and built a statue - Mental stimulation
I played an MMO for an hour i clicked the same 5 skills over and over for an hour while targeting rats - Mental stimulation equal to watching a bug walk across your wall

You play chess - Equal battle leading to a fun and stressful game
You play An MMO with PvP - The guy with higher number wins leading to a more relaxed game when the loser knows he lost even before the first move is made.

I really don't see any benefits to smoking and drinking unless you want to say that people enjoy them. I enjoyed Warcraft. My friends outside the internet also played Warcraft, and the guild I was in for the vast majority of my 3 years cared very little about gear and progression. I was rather well liked in it because I was fairly knowledgeable about where one could get things, how to build a character, and I was usually willing to tank for anyone who asked.

I play an FPS online and I think, ya this is fun, but there really is no interaction with the other people I'm playing against.

I play Minecraft and I think, this game is an incredible source of mindless fun in the form of a giant lego box.

I play an MMO and I kill a raid boss (only thing left that I find to be more than a mild entertainment) and I am usually quite happy because it means me and my guild worked together to achieve an end we had been working on for some time.

So I would say, to each his own, but to call it just throwing your cash away when I already stated my cost per hour of fun was under a quarter, I'd say it is money well spent.

 

[Farseer Lolotea]

Being an avid WoW-fan who saw his friends playing Rift during the free beta, it was WoW: Now with updated brown graphics! I really don't get what all the new games have against vibrant colors... I want my fantasy wonderland to be, well, a fantasy wonderland. I also found Rift's talent system odd, to say the least. You are required to spread your talents out, keeping you from attaining the amazing spells too early, and there was some sort of sub talents beneath that seemed to alter/add spells. The Rift events were ridiculous as well, putting a level 20 elite with about 1,000,000 HP in the starting area... I mean come on, that's as much health as the first Raid bosses had in classic WoW.

But ya, speaking both objectively and as a WoW fan, WoW was better, though Rift had at least one interesting idea in the class system. It seemed impossible to balance, but... Ya.

You do know that none of your assertions about WoW being "better" were actually "objective" at all...right?

Yes, there are things that WoW does objectively have over Rift. But the reverse is also true. And Rift's color palette being "brown" or at least insufficiently "vibrant," your dislike of the soul system, and major invasions being "ridiculous" all fall pretty solidly in the "subjective" category. Just saying.

 

[Sean951]

Being an avid WoW-fan who saw his friends playing Rift during the free beta, it was WoW: Now with updated brown graphics! I really don't get what all the new games have against vibrant colors... I want my fantasy wonderland to be, well, a fantasy wonderland. I also found Rift's talent system odd, to say the least. You are required to spread your talents out, keeping you from attaining the amazing spells too early, and there was some sort of sub talents beneath that seemed to alter/add spells. The Rift events were ridiculous as well, putting a level 20 elite with about 1,000,000 HP in the starting area... I mean come on, that's as much health as the first Raid bosses had in classic WoW.

But ya, speaking both objectively and as a WoW fan, WoW was better, though Rift had at least one interesting idea in the class system. It seemed impossible to balance, but... Ya.

You do know that none of your assertions about WoW being "better" were actually "objective" at all...right?

Yes, there are things that WoW does objectively have over Rift. But the reverse is also true. And Rift's color palette being "brown" or at least insufficiently "vibrant," your dislike of the soul system, and major invasions being "ridiculous" all fall pretty solidly in the "subjective" category. Just saying.

I watched it played, and while yes, the color thing is subjective, I would say that putting a mob that high is pretty much always wrong. Once the initial rush is over, they would just wreck the entire zone. I also did give Rift credit for the class system, even if if does look hard as hell to ever balance.

 

[Farseer Lolotea]

I watched it played, and while yes, the color thing is subjective, I would say that putting a mob that high is pretty much always wrong. Once the initial rush is over, they would just wreck the entire zone.

So you're saying that it's objectively "wrong" that the game isn't as "safe" as WoW, then? Again, I disagree.

I also did give Rift credit for the class system, even if if does look hard as hell to ever balance.

Do you mean "balance" in terms of PvP or PvE? Because if there's one thing I've noticed in regards to the former, someone's always going to complain if they can't consistently beat this and that configuration. And that always ends up gimping things on the PvE end. Hell, since we're comparing it to WoW? See: twenty-some-odd-second cooldown on Counterspell, because people whined that they couldn't beat magi.

Personally, I don't think PvP balance should be any sort of major focus unless it's primarily a PvP game. Then again, I have little to no interest in PvP to begin with.

 

[Sean951]

I watched it played, and while yes, the color thing is subjective, I would say that putting a mob that high is pretty much always wrong. Once the initial rush is over, they would just wreck the entire zone.

So you're saying that it's objectively "wrong" that the game isn't as "safe" as WoW, then? Again, I disagree.

I also did give Rift credit for the class system, even if if does look hard as hell to ever balance.

Do you mean "balance" in terms of PvP or PvE? Because if there's one thing I've noticed in regards to the former, someone's always going to complain if they can't consistently beat this and that configuration. And that always ends up gimping things on the PvE end. Hell, since we're comparing it to WoW? See: twenty-some-odd-second cooldown on Counterspell, because people whined that they couldn't beat magi.

Personally, I don't think PvP balance should be any sort of major focus unless it's primarily a PvP game. Then again, I have little to no interest in PvP to begin with.

I don't care about PvP unless the game is designed as PvP-centric, so I mean PvE. Also, I'm not criticizing for how "dangerous" it is, but that once every hour or so, the zone becomes more or less unplayable for newbies, and quite often smaller areas can become overwhelmed by Rifts. It is a fine mechanic for top zones, where you will always have people, but not so much in leveling zones.