(as a disclaimer for the next paragraph: if anyone feels that he/she does not quite understand the terminology - like mammary gland or spontaneous desire - feel free to google it)Orekoya said:Also attraction to secondary sexual characteristics is no more universally ingrained on the biological level than attraction to primary sexual characteristics
Slurs are cultural artifacts and as cultural artifacts they represent morals of the age, either current or prior.Orekoya said:nor would that be a validating reason for them to be any more deserving of reverence if it was.
I know how the mammaries function and the nature of linguistics although I wonder how much research went into the whole 'we love vulvas intellectually but breasts biologically' part of that laborious wall of text you've made considering it has also been studied just as much as breast attraction and found to have similar amounts of sexual stimuli for straight males. Sexual attraction is not the basis of how reverent something is either so they are all open to be used as slurs especially considering when using slurs most do not factor the word's original meaning. Hardly anyone thinks of a female dog when they call someone a *****. The purpose the second half of this post is unclear, because I essentially said that the word tit is no more deserving of reverence than **** or pussy or ass yet you follow it up with a long winding post that says that they all shouldn't be used as slang which is to say that they are deserving of equal amounts of reverence. So I can't tell if that was written to affirm or contradict what I said much less what you've written previously.Sean Deli said:(as a disclaimer for the next paragraph: if anyone feels that he/she does not quite understand the terminology - like mammary gland or spontaneous desire - feel free to google it)Orekoya said:Also attraction to secondary sexual characteristics is no more universally ingrained on the biological level than attraction to primary sexual characteristics
Except it is. Because in order for to survive for a species where
a) the male is predominantly subject to spontaneous desire based on visual stimuli
b) the main visual stimuli for our direct evolutionary ancestors used to be buttocks
c) ... except our species is bipedal and thus does not always have good view of the female buttocks during the mating season.
... Evolution had to artificially enlarge the mammary glands and surround them with fat tissue (in females only!) to mimic buttocks, in order for the mechanism of spontaneous desire to work in males. The attraction mechanism is also activated in homosexual and bisexual females as a spill over effect, which is why a lot of them report attraction to their own tits(!)
We are wired to love breasts and asses instinctively. It's a simple fact, it has been tested, verified and the science has moved forward. Vulvas - not as much, as there was no reason for evolution to create this mechanism. But just as I said - we can still love vulvas intellectually.
Slurs are cultural artifacts and as cultural artifacts they represent morals of the age, either current or prior.Orekoya said:nor would that be a validating reason for them to be any more deserving of reverence if it was.
And morals, more often then not, represent accepted knowledge (or lack of it) about certain aspects of our life. Not knowing that genetically human beings of any race are virtually the same (deviations in DNA between two races are negligible compared to deviations from person to person within a single race) led to racial bigotry, not knowing that piss is the safest fluid to come out of a human body (as it is absolutely sterile - could lead to poisoning if you are dehydrated though) lead it to be claimed as a vile fluid, while more infections can be contracted through saliva or blood.
Ignorance, however, does not stop biological mechanisms from working.
So for me it is peculiar, that people of old made slurs out of "tits", "****" and "ass". It is peculiar, because while those people were equally ignorant about all three body parts (allowing for hte slur mechanism of claiming something as vile to work), they were naturally attracted to two of them - and I would assume the natural attraction to influence the cultural aspect. It's hard to use something you are geared to like as a slur - "You, sir, are a piece of Ice Cream! Ice Cream I say, with chocolate sprinkles on top!"
However, a full anthropological and linguistic study of that would be beyond comments to a comic strip.
No offense, but I'm definitely going to shorten this in my head to "boobies".Sean Deli said:(as a disclaimer for the next paragraph: if anyone feels that he/she does not quite understand the terminology - like mammary gland or spontaneous desire - feel free to google it)Orekoya said:Also attraction to secondary sexual characteristics is no more universally ingrained on the biological level than attraction to primary sexual characteristics
Except it is. Because in order for to survive for a species where
a) the male is predominantly subject to spontaneous desire based on visual stimuli
b) the main visual stimuli for our direct evolutionary ancestors used to be buttocks
c) ... except our species is bipedal and thus does not always have good view of the female buttocks during the mating season.
... Evolution had to artificially enlarge the mammary glands and surround them with fat tissue (in females only!) to mimic buttocks, in order for the mechanism of spontaneous desire to work in males. The attraction mechanism is also activated in homosexual and bisexual females as a spill over effect, which is why a lot of them report attraction to their own tits(!)
We are wired to love breasts and asses instinctively. It's a simple fact, it has been tested, verified and the science has moved forward. Vulvas - not as much, as there was no reason for evolution to create this mechanism. But just as I said - we can still love vulvas intellectually.
Slurs are cultural artifacts and as cultural artifacts they represent morals of the age, either current or prior.Orekoya said:nor would that be a validating reason for them to be any more deserving of reverence if it was.
And morals, more often then not, represent accepted knowledge (or lack of it) about certain aspects of our life. Not knowing that genetically human beings of any race are virtually the same (deviations in DNA between two races are negligible compared to deviations from person to person within a single race) led to racial bigotry, not knowing that piss is the safest fluid to come out of a human body (as it is absolutely sterile - could lead to poisoning if you are dehydrated though) lead it to be claimed as a vile fluid, while more infections can be contracted through saliva or blood.
Ignorance, however, does not stop biological mechanisms from working.
So for me it is peculiar, that people of old made slurs out of "tits", "****" and "ass". It is peculiar, because while those people were equally ignorant about all three body parts (allowing for hte slur mechanism of claiming something as vile to work), they were naturally attracted to two of them - and I would assume the natural attraction to influence the cultural aspect. It's hard to use something you are geared to like as a slur - "You, sir, are a piece of Ice Cream! Ice Cream I say, with chocolate sprinkles on top!"
However, a full anthropological and linguistic study of that would be beyond comments to a comic strip.
Hello, I'm a guy, my name is Ashley.RatherDull said:His name is Ashley? Dude, that is awesome. If I ever have a boy, his name is Ashley. And if anyone has a problem with that then they can deal with me.
Gotcha. Sometimes it's hard to tell criticism on this site.rhodo said:dubious_wolf said:It's for emotional emphasis dude.
DHU I know that much. I was saying it didn't work well as it was excessive.
Well said. When I like something a lot, I call it "the tits", because tits are awesome and fun! They are like a ray of sunshine breaking through stormclouds to brighten up your day, and I cannot fathom how anyone would call something they like "the shit".Kargathia said:No offense, but I'm definitely going to shorten this in my head to "boobies".Sean Deli said:(as a disclaimer for the next paragraph: if anyone feels that he/she does not quite understand the terminology - like mammary gland or spontaneous desire - feel free to google it)Orekoya said:Also attraction to secondary sexual characteristics is no more universally ingrained on the biological level than attraction to primary sexual characteristics
Except it is. Because in order for to survive for a species where
a) the male is predominantly subject to spontaneous desire based on visual stimuli
b) the main visual stimuli for our direct evolutionary ancestors used to be buttocks
c) ... except our species is bipedal and thus does not always have good view of the female buttocks during the mating season.
... Evolution had to artificially enlarge the mammary glands and surround them with fat tissue (in females only!) to mimic buttocks, in order for the mechanism of spontaneous desire to work in males. The attraction mechanism is also activated in homosexual and bisexual females as a spill over effect, which is why a lot of them report attraction to their own tits(!)
We are wired to love breasts and asses instinctively. It's a simple fact, it has been tested, verified and the science has moved forward. Vulvas - not as much, as there was no reason for evolution to create this mechanism. But just as I said - we can still love vulvas intellectually.
Slurs are cultural artifacts and as cultural artifacts they represent morals of the age, either current or prior.Orekoya said:nor would that be a validating reason for them to be any more deserving of reverence if it was.
And morals, more often then not, represent accepted knowledge (or lack of it) about certain aspects of our life. Not knowing that genetically human beings of any race are virtually the same (deviations in DNA between two races are negligible compared to deviations from person to person within a single race) led to racial bigotry, not knowing that piss is the safest fluid to come out of a human body (as it is absolutely sterile - could lead to poisoning if you are dehydrated though) lead it to be claimed as a vile fluid, while more infections can be contracted through saliva or blood.
Ignorance, however, does not stop biological mechanisms from working.
So for me it is peculiar, that people of old made slurs out of "tits", "****" and "ass". It is peculiar, because while those people were equally ignorant about all three body parts (allowing for hte slur mechanism of claiming something as vile to work), they were naturally attracted to two of them - and I would assume the natural attraction to influence the cultural aspect. It's hard to use something you are geared to like as a slur - "You, sir, are a piece of Ice Cream! Ice Cream I say, with chocolate sprinkles on top!"
However, a full anthropological and linguistic study of that would be beyond comments to a comic strip.
BOOOOOOOBIEEEES.
...carry on.
Sean Deli said:Yeah, I don't understand how a word "tit" can be used as a slur.
Tits are awesome, go team Boobs! I think the biggest misanthrope in the world, after wishing for our planet to boil in the never-ending volcano of his liquid hate so that it would be cleaned of the cesspool we call civilization, would then admit that "Boobs are nice, though."
look at comic #13 (second page), and you'll see why that might not be such a... brilliant idea, to say the least.RatherDull said:His name is Ashley? Dude, that is awesome. If I ever have a boy, his name is Ashley. And if anyone has a problem with that then they can deal with me.
its a british thing I thinkSean Deli said:Yeah, I don't understand how a word "tit" can be used as a slur.
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There is a very famous George Carlin ski I shall show you in response.Sean Deli said:Yeah, I don't understand how a word "tit" can be used as a slur.