Wait what? I don't follow? So you mean that there is actually some kind of 'movement' that prefers virtual / unreal girls (as in drawings, video game characters etc) to real ones due to natural body functions? Or am I misunderstanding something here?
I wouldn't call it a movement, but There are certainly guys who seem to think rl girls are 3DPD for whatever reason. Sometimes it's their personalities too apparently.
Wait, so "3D Pig Disgusting" is the actual parlance they're using to refer to real women? And here I thought "totes jelly" was an abuse of diction.
And yes, the human body can be quite gross at times, but most people find that an acceptable trade-off for things like real companionship and reproductive possibilities. If you disagree, more power to you, I guess; just be aware that you're missing out on things others find important.
Side note, I think this attitude perpetuates largely in the absence of human contact. I find, in the presence of a physical human female, my brain does a pretty good job of compensating for all the gross bodily fluids, to the point where I don't mind much.
Oh yeah, and I'll just leave this here. Lighten the mood somewhat.
Something which has been amusing me lately. Guys saying that they prefer 2D girls to their 3D counterparts. Now I'm not having a go, I don't mind that you feel that way, I just want to know why some people consider real life girls pig disgusting. Of course you have to deal with all the smells and fluids of a real girl no matter how much perfume they use, whereas it's completely optional with 2D girls whether or not you want to imagine they have any body fluids or unpleasant smells.
Maybe part of the problem is holding the ideal girl on a pedestal as a completely sanitary, angelic creature who does not poop, does not breathe, does not have any of the human bodily functions that a male has. Are there any more reasons?
I could think of the fact that overall, sexual deviations are more tolerated nowadays than they used to.
Go back to your parents' early-to-late twenties, or even better, to your grandparents'. There's no Internet, no Playboy, no Hustler, no Penthouse, no Hentai, no YouPorn or Paheal and other Rule 34 outlets to fully express whatever it is that gets you fired up. Plus, you're socially and religiously expected to find a nice gal, stick Port A into Slot B and make with the crotch dumplings. Give that a decade or so and I guarantee your deep-seated fetishes are going to wither and die.
Today, everything's accessible. You're into 2D Anime girls? You find it oh so very easy to fap to Miku Hatsune? There's an outlet for that, my friend! The more you're given leave to sate these base impulses, the less plain old reproductive contacts with normal humans of the opposite sex are going to feel enticing to you. I'm pretty sure there's been an article linked here about a TED talk exploring how the explosion of available porn portals (of any shape or form) is diminishing the average sperm count.
If I simplify stats, guys have less baby batter to contribute to the purpose of making kids. Why waste it, a lot of guys might say, when you can spend it on whatever turns *you* on, personally? Considering that, everything from tentacle rape fans, the creepier subset of the Brony culture, furries, to your average BDSM enthusiast is justified - along with 2D dates with anyone from Jessica Rabbit to Lola Bunny.
Imaturity, it's got to be. Infants don't see faces the same way adults do. The eyes and mouth are prominent for an infant, while many more factors are in play for adults.
Is this saying that some people prefer Anime women over real women because real women have bodily functions? Can't say I've met people like that, nor do I want to. I can understand finding some anime women attractive, since they're representations of real women. I can also understand getting emotional about what happens to an anime character, if they're well written. What I don't understand is finding them better than real life women because real women have bodily functions. That's many, many levels of weird.
I don't see how any healthy person would rather have a waifu than a real girlfriend. The whole concept of a waifu confuses the fuck out of me, it doesn't love you back :/
Go back to your parents' early-to-late twenties, or even better, to your grandparents'. There's no Internet, no Playboy, no Hustler, no Penthouse, no Hentai, no YouPorn or Paheal and other Rule 34 outlets to fully express whatever it is that gets you fired up. Plus, you're socially and religiously expected to find a nice gal, stick Port A into Slot B and make with the crotch dumplings. Give that a decade or so and I guarantee your deep-seated fetishes are going to wither and die.
while I get what your saying porn did exist..is some form or another, as long as there is photography theres dirty pictures , and before that dirty drawings (I remember a movie called galipoli set around 1914 and solders were passing around dirty pics)
However, I take "waifu" as seriously as I do "competitive Grifball" on Halo, which is to say... not really at all. While I think Alice's design and background are both really great and I admire her as a character... I admire her in that fictional sense, kind of the way you might appreciate people like Hamlet or Obi-Wan Kenobi for being characters with interesting personalities and deep backgrounds.
I honestly feel really sorry for anyone that prefers 2-D people in "that way." I'm a firm believer of doing and loving whatever makes you happy... but I draw the line on things that don't have a sentient consciousness, and I DEFINITELY draw the line on things that don't exist in our same realm of reality.
To anyone who does prefer 2-D characters in such a manner... seek some help. From both Alice and me... please seek some help.
Maybe part of the problem is holding the ideal girl on a pedestal as a completely sanitary, angelic creature who does not poop, does not breathe, does not have any of the human bodily functions that a male has. Are there any more reasons?
I think that's a bridge too far - dead bodies and zombies are far from being completely sanitary
Also, it has been observed that particularly attractive women tend to have more childlike/younger facial proportions - perhaps to trigger the protective instinct in a potential mate?
Imaturity, it's got to be. Infants don't see faces the same way adults do. The eyes and mouth are prominent for an infant, while many more factors are in play for adults.
Can you see how the first pic resembles the proportions of an animated character?
You seem to be conflating attraction with facial recognition. This would imply that the adult facial recognition aspect is somehow impaired or underdeveloped in individuals who found themselves attracted to animated characters, and that has caused them to identify better with simplified facial characteristics. Considering I've found animated characters attractive and I draw portraits for a living (well, one half of a living, anyway), and very much like the way real life people look, I don't see that as being a very viable perspective. Many, many mangaka, who are talented portrait artists themselves, are in the same boat. You can infer this just from their lecherous anime artwork and more detailed, non-anime facial renderings. This isn't even taking into account a multitude of other factors here. I'd say this sounds about as silly as saying people attracted to anime girls are pedophiles because some of the character's features are naturally more "child-like". I'd be willing to agree that maturity probably plays a role here, but your basis for that hypothesis seems a bit underdeveloped. Perhaps just adding some detail/clarification would make it sound more plausible?
Well I fear to tread too deep because I really don't know enough about this stuff to go to talk about it with any sort of authority. I simply saw a possible correlation and thought it would be interesting to put it out there and see what came of it under scrutiny.
Anyway, I'll give it a shot, though I am probably misinformed about a lot of what I'm going to say. I?m a programmer after all, not a psychiatrist (damn it Jim).
Everyone indulges in fantasy, but the fact that these people prefer fictional characters over real people is evidence of some sort of deeper avoidance issue than a harmless fantasy. So the question has to be raised, why THIS and not say, growing tomatoes or amassing a house full of cats as a form of social escapism? Well, a fictional character at least mimics human traits and so allows for a form of imagined companionship or a masturbatory outlet that the above don?t allow. But that doesn?t explain the whole picture or these people could choose a character from a book, a soap opera or some heart-throb from a band as the focus for their indulgence. The reason for the choice has to be related to either the visual appearance of the character or the prevalence of these characters in the person?s life. I?d argue that both cases have to do with maturity, though for different reasons.
What I mean by prevalence in their life is simply that they watch a lot of cartoons. Not really that uncommon now-a-days, but most of these cartoons are aimed at a younger audience, teens especially. Teens are usually going through that awkward stage in life where they are coming to terms with their sexuality and dealing with attraction, where males and females were practically separate species as children. That?s going to leave a lot of teens with conflicting emotions. They want to be with the girl/guy, but she a girl/guy (yuck) and they don?t care about whether they want them or their wants AT ALL, they just need that outlet. Now here?s this animated cheesecake and it?ll provide that outlet with none of the strings attached and none of the betrayal for an outdated mode of thought. The producers of these cartoons aren?t blind to this and they put these cheesecake characters in their shows for this exact reason, otherwise we wouldn?t have stuff like this:
I?d say that 99% of these so called ?3D pig? people are like this because of the above: just confused teens, struggling with their emotions and jumping to defend their insecurity in extreme ways with stupid comments. It?s immature and they need to get overt themselves, and probably will one day soon. Not all will though of course and these people are going to develop into strange fetishes, such as the pic on this thread with all the Jap guys hugging body pillows, or wearing adult nappies and drinking milk from bowls like a cat or some shit
Then there?s the second reason, and I really fear to tread into this sort of territory because I?m woefully unequipped to discuss it ? but yeah, there are the paedophiles and the deviants. There?s no denying that a lot of these characters are drawn in such a way as to resemble children and it?s done so using the method I posted previously. I?m not going to even guess at what makes a paedophile the way they are, but not all paedophiles are ?active? - a lot of them would probably never touch a child and just prefer to fantasise and I can see how an animated character could provide a guilt free way to indulge in their deviancy with a great degree of separation from the real thing. At the very least the fact that there WILL be people like this, and that it?s an easy conclusion to jump to for anyone else, should convince the people up there in column A to wake up and sort themselves out less they be loaded in the same wagon.
Wait what? I don't follow? So you mean that there is actually some kind of 'movement' that prefers virtual / unreal girls (as in drawings, video game characters etc) to real ones due to natural body functions? Or am I misunderstanding something here?
This explanation makes more sense than the last one, given you took out the facial recognition thing lol. I'd say individuals who are beginning to develop in sexual maturity view cartoons as a haven and perhaps might start to view them as sexual objects due to their sometimes sexual nature and overexposure. We see this a lot more in Anime, and we have a lot more Japanese people who are "in to" cartoons. Include the factor of awkwardness around real girls and potential social trauma and I can see how someone might end up preferring cartoons.
As to the pedophile bit. I can't say you're wrong in that people who like loli stuff seem to be inevitably swaying in that direction. However, anime is a style. In fact, it's a series of styles. Within the context of a style, age and appearance are represented differently. If one grows up understanding this, then their sexual preferences would inevitably develop within that context. Meaning, even if characters in anime have "youthful features" in context to real people, it's still fairly easy to distinguish between "toddler" "kid" "teen" and "adult" if you watch it. Loli characters are drawn to look like children within anime. The reason most anime characters are generally drawn the way you mentioned is not because they look like children (always). It's because that's the ideal in japan. Small nose, big eyes, small face. Point is, yes, pedophiles exist within the anime fandom, but no, not everyone who is attracted to anime characters is a pedophile.
I suspect I'd rather be considered ugly by these people, than have them as my boyfriend X3. They don't sound like very capable partners at all, and I'm kinda picky to begin with! Not that I deserve to be picky, I'm no supermodel or anything, but I am damnit!
Nerexor said:
The only way that the 2D image of a girl is better than a real one would be at all true is if you wanted the sum of your interactions to be to stare blankly at her. I'm given to understand that real life ones take offense to that if you do it for too long.
Well, if it keeps the planet from becoming overpopulated then I suppose it's a good thing that stupid people weed themselves out of the human breeding program?
while I get what your saying porn did exist..is some form or another, as long as there is photography theres dirty pictures , and before that dirty drawings (I remember a movie called galipoli set around 1914 and solders were passing around dirty pics)
Oh, of course. Plenty of paleolithic cultures had fertility cults that had more than a few pornographic connotations. You can go as far back as you want, and you'll find that porn that involves a man having intercourse with a woman has been around since forever. The only deviation that's been around for just as long is same-sex intercourse (and I'm not judging, Homosexuality is *technically* a paraphilia).
We're pretty close to Bonobo chimpanzees, in terms of how our social activities are structured. Other chimps tend to stick to male-on-female action but for whatever reason, tweaking a fellow male or a fellow female's junk seems to be an acceptable form of socialization for Bonobos. It's unknown if it's a mistake on the part of oblivious swans, but there's also cases of lifelong pairings forming between two male swans or two females.
That goes to show these urges are deep-seated. We've found ways to sate some of 'em almost since forever. Today, though, offers a lot more options to people with more secretive or difficult paraphilias. It's not a case of porn being a recent invention - I know it isn't - but what's really causing this "3D girls suck!" mentality is the modern-day explosion of available smut.
There's quite a bit of difference between swapping erotic early photographs around the battlefield and scoping out, say, Disney's Robin Hood porn because that happens to turn you on.
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