Rocket League Has a New 20-Word Language Ban System

[Vendor-Lazarus]

I agree with Xorph here. It does seem a tad excessive.
Perma-muted and perma-banned from text-chat seems more appropriate.
If they bought the game they should be able to play the game.
Their play-style isn't in question is it? Though there is such a thing as griefing.
Despite fears of evoking a slippery-slope argument, it could lead to wider acceptance and implementation in other more nefarious ways. Like steam accounts. Not that I condone steam in the first place.

 

[Xorph]

Alternative methods as in "using Steam Profiles or the various console insta-massages to throw out their insults" because a chatban doesn't prevent those.
If you read the article, then those "variant words" are also covered by this new system so that will cause them to be just as banned as before.
And yes, being disruptive in the chat is to be treated the same as other forms - just because you act like a different asshole means you're still an asshole.

Plus, no, we're not missing what you're saying, we flatout disagree with it. Nothing more, nothing less.

If someone is already dedicated enough to send direct insults to someone via steam, then I highly doubt this new ban system will have any impact on them, as they'll just switch to doing it that way now to completely circumvent the risk of getting banned on Rocket League to begin with.

To top it off, if someone -does- try to circumvent the system in that way, then don't Steam/Xbox/etc have something in place for reporting/muting these users? Because at that point, they're harassing on a completely different platform and -that- platform is the one that needs to take responsibility.

Also, regarding being disruptive in X or Y form, -why- is it to be treated the same? You seem to just be going "well that's how it's gotta be" with nothing to back it up.

 

[Bindal]

Alternative methods as in "using Steam Profiles or the various console insta-massages to throw out their insults" because a chatban doesn't prevent those.
If you read the article, then those "variant words" are also covered by this new system so that will cause them to be just as banned as before.
And yes, being disruptive in the chat is to be treated the same as other forms - just because you act like a different asshole means you're still an asshole.

Plus, no, we're not missing what you're saying, we flatout disagree with it. Nothing more, nothing less.

If someone is already dedicated enough to send direct insults to someone via steam, then I highly doubt this new ban system will have any impact on them, as they'll just switch to doing it that way now to completely circumvent the risk of getting banned on Rocket League to begin with.

To top it off, if someone -does- try to circumvent the system in that way, then don't Steam/Xbox/etc have something in place for reporting/muting these users? Because at that point, they're harassing on a completely different platform and -that- platform is the one that needs to take responsibility.

Also, regarding being disruptive in X or Y form, -why- is it to be treated the same? You seem to just be going "well that's how it's gotta be" with nothing to back it up.

The funny thing is - if people aren't forced to get around the system, they won't bother regardless of the consequences. Banning them from the chat does force them to use these alternative methods. Being banned from the game itself means they aren't even there to be highly offensive in the first place no matter how they try it.

 

[Xorph]

The funny thing is - if people aren't forced to get around the system, they won't bother regardless of the consequences. Banning them from the chat does force them to use these alternative methods. Being banned from the game itself means they aren't even there to be highly offensive in the first place no matter how they try it.

Here's the problem with that logic: they have to get banned four times to get foreverially removed from the game, and this is a VERY publicly known update, given that it has a news article here and all.

The moment that first 1-day ban pops, people are going to find out about the system, and immediately seek out to circumvent it, and the fact that its a game ban suddenly does no more to help prevent abusive messages because people are now switched to the steam/xbox/sony messenger systems.

If anything an even better system would've been to not announce this at all, and then have it just be shadow-chatbans (e.g can still type in chat but only they see the message), then you've got the assholes just talking to themselves, none the wiser that noone can hear them

 

[fix-the-spade]

I think DICE got this right a long time ago, when you said banned words in their forum it just replaced them with the phrase 'lalala,' so people were lalala-ing at each other for a while until they figured out that swearing at each other was pointless.

It would be better just to scrub the words out of chat like other games do.

 

[Morti]

Just so long as I won't be punished if I say I'm from Scunthorpe.

 

[BeerTent]

Paraphrase: Don't ban them from the game, ban them from the chat.

Rocket League is a Team game. Barring a player permanently from chat will reduce the enjoyment of other players, and eventually be a detriment to those who are teamed up with them unless a GTAO style matchmaking check is implemented, forcing Chat-Banned players to only play with other Chat-Banned players.

Furthermore, we don't want to play with racists up here north of the border. Barring them from the game completely can only improve the game by either preventing toxic players from getting matched with other players, or forcing the toxic player to support the developers by buying the game's license again.

 

[Xorph]

Paraphrase: Don't ban them from the game, ban them from the chat.

Rocket League is a Team game. Barring a player permanently from chat will reduce the enjoyment of other players, and eventually be a detriment to those who are teamed up with them unless a GTAO style matchmaking check is implemented, forcing Chat-Banned players to only play with other Chat-Banned players.

Furthermore, we don't want to play with racists up here north of the border. Barring them from the game completely can only improve the game by either preventing toxic players from getting matched with other players, or forcing the toxic player to support the developers by buying the game's license again.

How exactly would banning someone who only says insults and slurs from the chat reduce everyone else's enjoyment if it means they go from hearing slurs to not hearing slurs 🤔

Also, what about people who speak a different language than the rest of the team, or people on a discord/skype call with friends while playing so they can't focus on the chat, or people who really only use the chat to make/respond to jokes and not actual team communication, or people who don't like to use the chat at all and just play the game? Should we -also- start banning those people from the game because they're "reducing the enjoyment of others" by not communicating gameplay-related things via the chat?

Also Also, what does someone being a racist have to do with their ability to play Soccer-But-With-Cars-N-Stuff? Especially if they've been banned from the chat, then from your perspective they just aren't typing, how will you magically know they're a racist and not one of the examples above?

If these people are "toxic" in the sense that they start griefing or intentionally fucking up the game then sure, give them the boot, but if they're someone who actually plays and makes an effort to help the team score a win, why make the punishment completely disproportionate to the crime?

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Banning words does not erase the enmity in the hearts of those who would utter them. All it does is spray perfume on feces. Just accept the reality of your environment and try to endure it or don't play the game. I see this as an ineffectual publicity move with no there there.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

This is not an effective solution. The words aren't the problem, it's how the words are used that's the problem. If you start banning words people will just find other words to use to harass and insult each other, and if you add those words to your banned list before long players won't be able to say anything.

 

[Ugicywapih]

I've seen censor bots that mindlessly parse chat for predefined strings like that implemented very poorly, and if the words that trigger the system are not disseminated (and thus, I imagine, not indicated in chat) this could end up as bad AS Some of the worst cases I've seen. At any rate, I guess I'll be concerned this may be too drastiC UNTil proven wrong.

 

[Loop Stricken]

Just so long as I won't be punished if I say I'm from Scunthorpe.

Being from Scunthorpe is punishment enough.

 

[FalloutJack]

In the 1970's, George Carlin observed there were only seven words you can't say on TV. Now, we are up to 20 words we can't say playing a video game. I don't like this slippery slope that we are on.

He did eventually extend this into a must-longer and even funnier list. I once saw a shirt composed of those words in a line at Cedar Point. It was a good read along the way.

 

[KissingSunlight]

In the 1970's, George Carlin observed there were only seven words you can't say on TV. Now, we are up to 20 words we can't say playing a video game. I don't like this slippery slope that we are on.

He did eventually extend this into a must-longer and even funnier list. I once saw a shirt composed of those words in a line at Cedar Point. It was a good read along the way.

I have heard the longer version of it. You're right. Like I said, that post was done tongue in cheek. However, I did it to make people stop and think for a moment about censorship for a minute.

 

[Vanilla ISIS]

Psyonix isn't sharing the words on the list, of course

So how can anyone avoid them?
People will just get banned and won't know why, then they'll come back and get banned again.
There will probably be a word or 2 on there that is offensive to nobody but 5 people and there will be a ton of bans because of that.
The community will drop in numbers because people will get tired of it.

Also, and this is just my jaded cynicism speaking, I'm willing to bet money that they'll only ban racial slurs towards some races and not others.

 

[MHR]

Call me a closed-minded traditionalist or whatever, but part of the internet for me is the toxic anonymity combined with freedom of speech and concept. It would be like playing Eve Online without all the scammers and cutthroat drama. Better perhaps, but just not the same.

And people need to get over themselves. Words are words and only have the power someone affords them.

 

[sagitel]

maybe im a little out of touch but what exactly was the problem with "mute and move on"?

 

[Xorph]

maybe im a little out of touch but what exactly was the problem with "mute and move on"?

B-because the person could call you a mean words at least once before you muted them, and that would hurt peeple's feewings!