Rumor: Next Xbox Will Feature Blu-ray, Anti-Used Games System
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Yea. I and many other people grew up playing borrowed/rented games.Domehammer said:
I also hate the idea that I have to be online. Currently, I favour console gaming because it isn't necessary to be online. PC gaming is already online all the time. If I'm going to be playing digital stuff, I think I'll stick to PC and avoid buying an inferior computer for gaming.
Here is an idea for the anti used game feature. All X-box 720 or whatever they end up calling the darned thing comes with a decent sized hard drive when you put the disk in it has to install an executable to the hard disk in order for the game to run then you limit the amount of times you can install the executable. Basicly the game first looks for the executable on the hard disk and if it's there runs normally if it's not there it downloads it and subtracts 1 from the installs left number. When installs left number equals zero no more installs second hand buying becomes more risky. As soon as thats discovered boom very limited second hand market.
Usually I would be loath to stand on the fluffy dreams of the idealistic consumer, but the fact is: Toeys is completely correct.
They already introduce measures to encourage you to buy the game initially, with extra content editions, special editions, & single use codes that give a free download of exclusive content such as special armors or weapons, exclusive maps, or 'easter egg'-style goodies... Microsoft & the game publishers don't make money on used games. Microsoft & the game publishers don't want to make something which they don't profit from. Logic therefore dictates that Microsoft & the game publishers will try to prevent used game sales. I agree it would shoot companies that mainly made their profits from used game sales in the foot, but there will be ways to circumvent that. Knowing that games will not be bought second hand will up original copy sales, perhaps allowing publishers to sell the games to companies for less, allowing better profit margins.
There is no way that people will stop buying the xbox 3 because of these measures. People didn't stop buying games from Steam when their copyright procedure became cumbersome and ridiculous. People didn't stop buying films when they made unskippable "Piracy is theft" adverts- only viewable to people who have not pirated the dvd. People didn't stop buying games to protest the fact that after a hefty initial purchase you frequently pay between a 1/3 and the whole RRP on new maps, custom content, & extra quests. In fact, there was uproar about the fact that in some games you couldn't get all the achievements that were available with the original base game without buying DLC - now it's essentially standard. You pay to play online even though with PS3 it's free. You pay to dress your avatar in fancy outfits. You pay to get the game earlier with statues of the characters. Let's face it, there is nothing you will not pay out of the arse for, providing you can't pirate it. This is an ultimately excellent way to help prevent piracy & increase profit, and they will be all over it like flies to shit.
Tl;dr - Yes, I can see this happening. Microsoft would stand to make greater profits. You already pay to take shit from big companies. They see this, they laugh, they repeat etc etc. But it is unconfirmed, so you never know. It's just fun to speculate over baseless conjecture. Wheeeee!
They already introduce measures to encourage you to buy the game initially, with extra content editions, special editions, & single use codes that give a free download of exclusive content such as special armors or weapons, exclusive maps, or 'easter egg'-style goodies... Microsoft & the game publishers don't make money on used games. Microsoft & the game publishers don't want to make something which they don't profit from. Logic therefore dictates that Microsoft & the game publishers will try to prevent used game sales. I agree it would shoot companies that mainly made their profits from used game sales in the foot, but there will be ways to circumvent that. Knowing that games will not be bought second hand will up original copy sales, perhaps allowing publishers to sell the games to companies for less, allowing better profit margins.
There is no way that people will stop buying the xbox 3 because of these measures. People didn't stop buying games from Steam when their copyright procedure became cumbersome and ridiculous. People didn't stop buying films when they made unskippable "Piracy is theft" adverts- only viewable to people who have not pirated the dvd. People didn't stop buying games to protest the fact that after a hefty initial purchase you frequently pay between a 1/3 and the whole RRP on new maps, custom content, & extra quests. In fact, there was uproar about the fact that in some games you couldn't get all the achievements that were available with the original base game without buying DLC - now it's essentially standard. You pay to play online even though with PS3 it's free. You pay to dress your avatar in fancy outfits. You pay to get the game earlier with statues of the characters. Let's face it, there is nothing you will not pay out of the arse for, providing you can't pirate it. This is an ultimately excellent way to help prevent piracy & increase profit, and they will be all over it like flies to shit.
Tl;dr - Yes, I can see this happening. Microsoft would stand to make greater profits. You already pay to take shit from big companies. They see this, they laugh, they repeat etc etc. But it is unconfirmed, so you never know. It's just fun to speculate over baseless conjecture. Wheeeee!
So the new xbox will have a feature that Sony did years ago, and another feature that will make the console worse for a significant margin of their market?
I think i'll pass and just get a Wii-U. Because that is clearly going to be better. And you know what else? That wasn't even sarcasm.
They really have pushed their console out of business before putting it on sale with this DRM plan... The hollow promises of it's high specs will be small comfort.
I think i'll pass and just get a Wii-U. Because that is clearly going to be better. And you know what else? That wasn't even sarcasm.
They really have pushed their console out of business before putting it on sale with this DRM plan... The hollow promises of it's high specs will be small comfort.
As long as Sony aren't thick fuckers they will make their next system if they decided to replace PS 3 allow used games which will then effectively rape MS next gen. If this rumour is true they have effectively 100% killed my interest in the console and I will happily go back to buy Playstations or a Wii-U.
The problem with the argument against used sales, that the game companies lose money, is false. If one person has a game and sells it because they don't like it, then they no longer have the game. Only one copy of the game still exists, which was bought and paid for.
What the companies that are against used sales want is basically to force people to keep what they buy, forever. It also sort assumes that the person is only ever going to play the game once and that it's no good to the person afterwards.
Here's a hint, maybe make games that are fun to play more than once? You know, make the person WANT to keep the game? If someone wants to sell their game because they don't like it, maybe you should make a game they want to keep?
I kind of hope they implement this anti-used games feature. Mainly to watch and laugh as crash and burn. They'll be destroying their own product because few people will buy it. Expect a rise in piracy too, especially from legit customers who like to borrow/lend their games.
Person 1: Can I borrow your game?
Person 2: You can't use other people's games, it won't let you.
Person 1: Oh well, I'll just download it then since there are no demos and I can't borrow the games. And I'll save money too!
And then the companies will say say "see? This is why we need to stop piracy, it's destroying the industry!"
What the companies that are against used sales want is basically to force people to keep what they buy, forever. It also sort assumes that the person is only ever going to play the game once and that it's no good to the person afterwards.
Here's a hint, maybe make games that are fun to play more than once? You know, make the person WANT to keep the game? If someone wants to sell their game because they don't like it, maybe you should make a game they want to keep?
I kind of hope they implement this anti-used games feature. Mainly to watch and laugh as crash and burn. They'll be destroying their own product because few people will buy it. Expect a rise in piracy too, especially from legit customers who like to borrow/lend their games.
Person 1: Can I borrow your game?
Person 2: You can't use other people's games, it won't let you.
Person 1: Oh well, I'll just download it then since there are no demos and I can't borrow the games. And I'll save money too!
And then the companies will say say "see? This is why we need to stop piracy, it's destroying the industry!"
I was thinking the same thing a few others did about the burn the consoles serial onto the end of the disc. A way to fix the "bring a game to the friends" or the more common "Red rings" would be a usb software dongle type system serial num on the machine comes as a little plug in. Bring it to a friends to play that game, swap it into your new system when your old one inevitably (at least it seems that way with current generation) red rings. Universal copies for rental chains, or even easier dongles that come with those so plug that in its the serial for that game. (hmm i remember hearing somewhere SGI was doing something like this but that was secondhand so i dont know)
Yeah, introducing an anti-used system really would be like kicking a huge proportion of consumers in the balls and saying:
"Tough luck, we want more games on our system for you, even if this does NOT benefit you more than it should. Those AAA titles publishers need to hit $10,000,000 revenue per game more frequently or else they won't make a single cent in wages!"
Which seems counter-productive as "the new Loop console will be smaller and cheaper than the existing Xbox 360 console out at the moment. [http://720site.com/xbox-720-console-to-be-named-loop/]" so I really don't see why MS would want more money when they're saving more money in development as it is. Not like they're Nintendo or anything [http://www.vgchartz.com/article/88317/nintendo-loses-924m-in-apr-sept-2011-now-expects-full-year-loss/].
"Tough luck, we want more games on our system for you, even if this does NOT benefit you more than it should. Those AAA titles publishers need to hit $10,000,000 revenue per game more frequently or else they won't make a single cent in wages!"
Which seems counter-productive as "the new Loop console will be smaller and cheaper than the existing Xbox 360 console out at the moment. [http://720site.com/xbox-720-console-to-be-named-loop/]" so I really don't see why MS would want more money when they're saving more money in development as it is. Not like they're Nintendo or anything [http://www.vgchartz.com/article/88317/nintendo-loses-924m-in-apr-sept-2011-now-expects-full-year-loss/].
Well i would much prefer the devs get the money rather than gamestop. Plus i doubt this is
Real. I think the way to go about it is slowly phasing out discs as much as possible then industry middle men like gamestop will stop taking their big cuts
Real. I think the way to go about it is slowly phasing out discs as much as possible then industry middle men like gamestop will stop taking their big cuts
Seriously people (and maybe this has already been brought up, I'll admit I didn't wade through 4 pages of comments to make sure), if they did come out with some kinda "no used games" policy that would quite literally destroy the entire game rental market (at least as far as their own games are concerned). They would be pulling such a dick-move that they would literally be saying "Sony, please, we're tired of this race. Will you kindly take all of our customers off our hands?" It would be business suicide for them to add such a feature into their platform.
Yeah. Because that's exactly what I said.Sparrow said:
Why is it the only time that stupid fucking term comes up it's from a console fan trying to demean a PC player?
Oh yeah, now I remember, it's because it's the only thing they can use to insult the PC gamers.
Can't say our hardware's worse then yours. Can't say our games are more expensive. Can't say our exclusives are crap. Can't say our controller sucks, since we can use anything. Can't say you don't have to deal with installs or DRM like we do, at least, not any more.
So what's left? Implying that all PC gamers are elitist pricks. It's kinda sad really. I mean, come on. At least TRY to think of something new. It's getting old. :/
And then, when my Xbox fries itself and makes me buy all my games over again, in addition to replacing the system, I burn their factory down.Kwil said:
Good plan.
Edit: Seriously though, it's a good way of accomplishing the goal. I commend you for it.
It's just that the goal is horrible, which isn't your fault.
For that matter, remember how this EXACT rumour (The anti-used game one, I mean) was rampant before the launch of the Playstation 3.Sparrow said: