Rumor: Next Xbox Will Require Constant Internet Connection
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Doesn't seppeku imply some kind of honour? I fear that this is more just running into a minefield for the lulz.Fappy said:
OT: I don't generally hold much stock in these kinds of rumours, they'd be insane to do it. In the UK this could lead to your ISP basically bricking your Xbox at random while they do unexplained things with your connection somewhere.
Especially if they're pricks and charge extra for a wifi adapter again.
That said... Microsoft....
Well if this were true, and it doesn't sound like it since Microsoft knows that 30% of their consoles are offline, I would not be getting one.
One of the main requirements for me to buy a game is usually the ability to play it to see if I like it. So I borrow it from a friend, or the library. I like demos less and less because they even put a disclaimer that it isn't representative of the final game. Well if that's the case, then the demo is worthless. Its also like a first date. They put their best foot forward hoping to hide the warts.
The other is that I tend to not have a reliable internet connection all the time. Hell, I've lived in several places where it was not an option or I just don't bother connecting the wires.
This just seems like Microsoft wants to give pirates a boost and a reason to flourish.
One of the main requirements for me to buy a game is usually the ability to play it to see if I like it. So I borrow it from a friend, or the library. I like demos less and less because they even put a disclaimer that it isn't representative of the final game. Well if that's the case, then the demo is worthless. Its also like a first date. They put their best foot forward hoping to hide the warts.
The other is that I tend to not have a reliable internet connection all the time. Hell, I've lived in several places where it was not an option or I just don't bother connecting the wires.
This just seems like Microsoft wants to give pirates a boost and a reason to flourish.
I'm sorry, but how is that "pretty good" journalism? They slapped "rumor" at the start and that makes writing bullshit okay? They didn't even try to find out the source of the Edge article, they didn't do anything. They took the Edge article, rewrote it. That's all there is.BrotherRool said:
Journalists actually require to do some research. This is nothing better than those gossip magazines.
Just think about 1 minute and you will see that this rumor is so unrealistic that it's an insult to write it. This is a bait for more page views.
You sound awful quick to jump to the conclusion that this is amateurish journalism that is trying to take this as fact when the headline is clearly labeled "Rumor".BiH-Kira said:
Unless you happen to be referring to Edge's newspost, because then I can certainly understand the heavy skepticism and you can disregard my previous sentence. :>
Well, if this turns out to be true, even myself who has been an ardent Xbox supporter and stood up for other consoles, will be making the switch to PC.
However, there have been plenty of rumours flying around about the next gen, so we'll just have to wait and see.
However, there have been plenty of rumours flying around about the next gen, so we'll just have to wait and see.
Concession accepted. I mean I'm not interested in Microsofts next machine unless it offers more than Halo, but if they implemented such a system it's an immediate "Hell no" from me, my wifi is sketchy at best and I don't have the correct equipment to route more ethernet cables around my house.Fappy said:
That and ISP maintenance or random hole-digging by British Telecom could easily render it a paperweight.
EDIT: Oh and Dreamcast 2, want, will buy day 1 completely blind to anything that could potentially be wrong with it because damn it the world needs Dreamcast 2.
The Dreamcast didn't fail. We failed the Dreamcast )': [sub]Controller is outright painful to use at times though, really dunno how Sega managed it after the glorious Saturn controller[/sub]
HAHAHA!
Nope, just nope.
If any part of this turns out to be true it would have been just some executive suggesting it, instantly turned down by anyone smart.
If it all turns out to be true I don't want to be anywhere near the fan outcry, it would be a slaughter.
Nope, just nope.
If any part of this turns out to be true it would have been just some executive suggesting it, instantly turned down by anyone smart.
If it all turns out to be true I don't want to be anywhere near the fan outcry, it would be a slaughter.
out to all the people who think M$ cannot be that stupid remember to never underestimate corporate stupidity just look at what they did to windows 8 if you don't believe me hell looking at windows 8 its not so hard to believe the rumour. you would have thought Vista woulda learned em
however i am going to be watching with baited breath as a member of the PC master race it will hopefully not affect me and it brings me great joy when consoles bomb
however i am going to be watching with baited breath as a member of the PC master race it will hopefully not affect me and it brings me great joy when consoles bomb
Don't laugh... this is pretty much the same thinking as to why we have Windows 8. MS saw the wonderful walled garden of Apple and got jealous about their built in 'store' and the way it was throwing money at Apple.fwiffo said:
The only thing I would say for sure with the article is the Blu-Ray player will be included, the rest would be a wild ass guess.
Well I've already dropped the buck for a Wii U, which is actually a really nice machine, it's funt o use and the controllers are great. Lack of games is to be expected early in the life cycle of a console, though there's plenty coming, slowly but surely. I recommend it if you can get a good bundle deal, like I got the ZombiU bundle for 20% off. The Miiverse is brilliant and I'm glad Nintendo are finally figuring out online and actually pushing forwards with their own ideas for it.Fappy said:I feel the same way, though I may need to buy into at least one of the consoles next gen considering some of my favorite genres/titles consistently fail to have PC releasesSkarKrow said:
I'll probably get a PS4 sometime as it hits a price drop and the library fleshes out a bit, because there are a lot of first party sony IP's that I enjoy a lot (Sly 4 is out at the end of next month here! Why we have to wait two months for a game already in English I have no idea). Resistance, Killzone, and so on are things I'll be after when they hit.
Microsofts machines have never had a big enough incentive for me, Halo is pretty fun but I only enjoy the co-op and single player experiences really and there's nothing else on the format I want.
I'll be investing in a better PC when I get a job again and can actually afford to have money flowing out! Something in the i5/660ti vein of system methinx. I currently have an Pentium E5700 @ 3GHz (dual core) and an Asus 4770. It does run most things though not at 60fps/1080p.
BiH-Kira said:
Seems to me like they're putting some thought in. And the fact this rumour exists is news, because the gaming community is still comparatively small and Microsoft are one of the few big players. What people are saying and speculating about is of interest, particularly in the context of all the other rumours we're hearing at the same time.
The suggestion they find the source is silly. How? How are they meant to do that? It would be criminally negligent of Edge if they were bad enough to leave a trail that would lead a journalist to the source. Some person emails/speaks to Edge, it's then Edge's responsibility to confirm him as legitimate source and decide what to do with that news. Beyonf hacking into another magazines email system, what is the Escapist meant to do? If Edge were to openly publish this guys name 1)He would get fired. 2) He wouldn't ever be hired again in the industry 3)He would be sued. If Edge were giving away enough information to allow someone to track down the source, then they have been unforgivingly cruel
We had a rumour, if it turns out to be non-legitimate, as I said, it means Edge have been trolling for page views and all complaints of unfair journalism are fine. If it turns out to be legitimate and the Escapist didn't report on it, it'll reflect badly on them. If they don't report it anyway, it reflects badly on them because we'll hear about the rumours from other sources and think less of the site for not providing us with their existence.
As it is, they stick rumour on the top, debate the credibility of it in the article, bring in other knowledge we have about Sony and in the end still conclude it's probably bull. Going as far to make a joke about crazy conspiracy theories at the end. It's not going to win Pullitzers, but you're being too harsh to people who are doing a pretty respectable job compared to the other people reporting on it. Edge don#t call it a rumour, Edge don't talk about the reliability.
Their are plenty of copypasta rubbish on the Escapist, but you called this article copy and pasted, which is just poor journalism man, when you read the source and barely a sentence has been lifted and the main content of the discussion is radically different.
I almost want this list, as unlikely as most of it is, to be true just so I can see the greatest explosion of rage ever experienced by the internet. It's definitely something that would go down in history, imagine History teachers 50 years from now giving lectures on the great XBox internet rage bomb that went off in 2013.
May want to pad that post a little. Might incite mod wrath.erttheking said:
But I do agree. Reliable UNNAMED sources, huh?
Could be that I really don't want to believe this, though. Because I don't. This would be stupid as all hell right now. We can't say for sure whether not being able to get affordable preowned games would turn gamers away from a console entirely, but you can be damn sure requiring the internet connection to always be on will. Hell, I live in a city and still have some internet issues. Until we can guarantee that an internet connection will almost always be on and functioning well, always on DRM will always be a stupid decision. Even then, it's immoral. It's essentially saying "This game is yours as long as we can keep coming to check that it's yours AND NO LONGER".
Hell, it's worse than that in this case. "This entire CONSOLE is yours as long as we can keep coming to check that it's yours AND NO LONGER!"
Honestly, this doesn't sound all that implausible. If this model could increase revenue over what they would lose from a smaller and reluctant user base (who could always be persuaded to purchase in the future) then there's no reason not to.
I'd imagine if this launched, it would be require a subscription much like what you get from you cable company. They've already tested this with the 360+Kinect bundle from the Microsoft store. With increased revenue from a used games-free market, the subscription model (likely more than what they charge for Xbox Live), advertisements, data collection, various downloadables and apps, and a cross-platform to play Windows 8 games (integration with no other company could offer) which would increase that user base and put more money in Microsoft's pocket, I can see this being profitable.
They would definitely get plenty of publisher support, even from indie devs who could publish games on three platforms at once (desktop, tablets, nextbox), and could placate Gamestop and other brick and mortar retail outlets by selling gift cards (ala the Steam Wallet) for Microsoft points or even full game and DLC download vouchers in-store.
This idea isn't as terrible as it seems at first glance. It's not any worse than smart phone contracts, and nobody complains about those. All that said, if that proves true, I'm staying away from it.
I'd imagine if this launched, it would be require a subscription much like what you get from you cable company. They've already tested this with the 360+Kinect bundle from the Microsoft store. With increased revenue from a used games-free market, the subscription model (likely more than what they charge for Xbox Live), advertisements, data collection, various downloadables and apps, and a cross-platform to play Windows 8 games (integration with no other company could offer) which would increase that user base and put more money in Microsoft's pocket, I can see this being profitable.
They would definitely get plenty of publisher support, even from indie devs who could publish games on three platforms at once (desktop, tablets, nextbox), and could placate Gamestop and other brick and mortar retail outlets by selling gift cards (ala the Steam Wallet) for Microsoft points or even full game and DLC download vouchers in-store.
This idea isn't as terrible as it seems at first glance. It's not any worse than smart phone contracts, and nobody complains about those. All that said, if that proves true, I'm staying away from it.
If I really see something I have to play in the next gen, and steambox doesn't pan out, I was going to go with Playstation anyway. Fuck Microsoft's planned obsolesence.
I don't have a problem with blocking used games, but I think they are doing it wrong. Developers need a way for their games to remain commercially viable after the first few months. The always on internet connection, hopefully, is nothing more than a rumor. If it turns out to be true, as many have already pointed out, Microsoft automatically excludes everyone without a reliable, or an infrequent internet connection. This includes major rural, or less developed, areas of the United States and Europe, children (with the expanded web capabilities of most consoles many parents will not like their kids accessing an unrestricted internet browser, or spending lots of money on Microsoft points because they don't understand its concept as an artificial currency.), young adults who attend a college with a limited internet connection or live on a budget and cannot afford an internet connection. Essentially Microsoft, if this rumor turns out to be true, is relying on their current customer base with an internet connection to buy the new console. That said Microsoft has several weeks to announce their console and I wholly expect this rumor to turn out to be false, however if it turns out to be true go Wii U!