think positively then, it's another challenge for them to piss us off...Steve the Pocket said:I dunno. I'd rather have a DRM system that allows me to give away or sell my games when I'm tired of them. And that's, oh guess what, almost any one besides Steam.
aye,ultimateownage said:Please let this be true. Steam is so damn convenient.
Sadly, as much as I love Valve, I can't really trust that that is going to be the case should such a situation really arise. Should the company ever be forced to file for bankruptcy or gets bought outright (either of which I dearly hope will not happen), I don't think the creditors will care one bit about what happens to the games that Steam users own and will only seek to recuperate their money.dududf said:Just want to point out that I'm pretty sure that there's some policy or something, where if steam goes under they'll host the servers for 2 months, and provide owners of the game essentially the crack for it.Tom Phoenix said:Preety much this. DRM in general is a hassle and an annoyance for the user. But among the various options, Steam does qualify as a lesser evil.dududf said:Well Steam is the best of the worst for me, so I say if you want to use a reasonably tough DRM use steam. It seems to fuck you over the least in my experience.
That said, I am still not going to buy games off of the thing. At least with a retail version, I can be certain I will still have them when the apocalypse comes and Valve ceases to exist.
But from then on, you best have backed up the local content.
heh heh hehDarktau said:As far as I know, steam as DRM, isn't that good. But it's just the constant deals and respect from the community that drives the low piracy rates. (I have bought SOOOOO much off steam). But I think steam really isn't that hard to pirate.dududf said:Well Steam is the best of the worst for me, so I say if you want to use a reasonably tough DRM use steam. It seems to fuck you over the least in my experience.
Huzzah for not using GFWL? I have to remove it as it's a pain in the ass. Doesn't stop anything, and if I get another failed log in meaning my saves are inaccessible, I will fire bieber out of a catapult into microsoft head quarters
Steam frustrates the casual pirates and tries not to get in the way of the legitimate users. I think that's really the best we can ask for, rather than the super-invasive DRM that gets cracked anyway but shuts out the people who paid for it.dududf said:Oh as a DRM it isn't that particularly effective, but it's the least damn annoying imo.Darktau said:As far as I know, steam as DRM, isn't that good. But it's just the constant deals and respect from the community that drives the low piracy rates. (I have bought SOOOOO much off steam). But I think steam really isn't that hard to pirate.dududf said:Well Steam is the best of the worst for me, so I say if you want to use a reasonably tough DRM use steam. It seems to fuck you over the least in my experience.
Huzzah for not using GFWL? I have to remove it as it's a pain in the ass. Doesn't stop anything, and if I get another failed log in meaning my saves are inaccessible, I will fire bieber out of a catapult into microsoft head quarters
That being said, it started off as shit, and I won't deny that. It got better however.
Oh that's all DRM is good for.The Rogue Wolf said:Steam frustrates the casual pirates and tries not to get in the way of the legitimate users. I think that's really the best we can ask for, rather than the super-invasive DRM that gets cracked anyway but shuts out the people who paid for it.dududf said:Oh as a DRM it isn't that particularly effective, but it's the least damn annoying imo.Darktau said:As far as I know, steam as DRM, isn't that good. But it's just the constant deals and respect from the community that drives the low piracy rates. (I have bought SOOOOO much off steam). But I think steam really isn't that hard to pirate.dududf said:Well Steam is the best of the worst for me, so I say if you want to use a reasonably tough DRM use steam. It seems to fuck you over the least in my experience.
Huzzah for not using GFWL? I have to remove it as it's a pain in the ass. Doesn't stop anything, and if I get another failed log in meaning my saves are inaccessible, I will fire bieber out of a catapult into microsoft head quarters
That being said, it started off as shit, and I won't deny that. It got better however.
That's not true. They've already said in the event the Steam servers were to go down permaneently, they'd allow users to continue to play their games without the Steamworks DRM. Furthermore, you can backup your games on disk.Tom Phoenix said:Sadly, as much as I love Valve, I can't really trust that that is going to be the case should such a situation really arise. Should the company ever be forced to file for bankruptcy or gets bought outright (either of which I dearly hope will not happen), I don't think the creditors will care one bit about what happens to the games that Steam users own and will only seek to recuperate their money.dududf said:Just want to point out that I'm pretty sure that there's some policy or something, where if steam goes under they'll host the servers for 2 months, and provide owners of the game essentially the crack for it.Tom Phoenix said:Preety much this. DRM in general is a hassle and an annoyance for the user. But among the various options, Steam does qualify as a lesser evil.dududf said:Well Steam is the best of the worst for me, so I say if you want to use a reasonably tough DRM use steam. It seems to fuck you over the least in my experience.
That said, I am still not going to buy games off of the thing. At least with a retail version, I can be certain I will still have them when the apocalypse comes and Valve ceases to exist.
But from then on, you best have backed up the local content.
what they say and what they will do (when the time comes) are two different things.Zer_ said:That's not true. They've already said in the event the Steam servers were to go down permaneently, they'd allow users to continue to play their games without the Steamworks DRM. Furthermore, you can backup your games on disk.
Being a developer that has be rather true to their word when it comes to pleasing their community, I have absolutely no reason to doubt that they wouldn't go through with it if ever the (unlikely) event of Steam servers going down permanently. Using your argument is pretty much just a cop-out...mad825 said:what they say and what they will do (when the time comes) are two different things.Zer_ said:That's not true. They've already said in the event the Steam servers were to go down permaneently, they'd allow users to continue to play their games without the Steamworks DRM. Furthermore, you can backup your games on disk.
If their servers go, there is nothing that says they have to provide continues access, the DRM can remain without Steam,Valve or any other partnerships having any liability to provide the deactivation
no.Zer_ said:Being a developer that has be rather true to their word when it comes to pleasing their community, I have absolutely no reason to doubt that they wouldn't go through with it if ever the (unlikely) event of Steam servers going down permanently. Using your argument is pretty much just a cop-out...