Rumor: Will Smith Signs On for Independence Day Sequels
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Independence Day sucks a monkeys ass in space.Geamo said:
The story: bland "aliens invade earth" setup
The mood: Americans are the greatest. Save the planet, again
The content: arcade F-16s fighting alien spacecraft. Winning, of course
Ridiculous plot point 1: air force pilot learns to fly alien spacecraft in 10 seconds
Ridiculous plot point 2: ex pilot flies up alien motherships ass, mothership explodes
Ridiculous plot point 3: humans fly hijacked alien fighter right into alien home base. Super advanced aliens clueless
Inexcusably, outrageously ridiculous plot point 4: humans upload a computer virus onto alien home base. Humans win.
I don't think you have to have a masters in computer science to realize how incredibly stupid that last one is. Uploading a computer virus onto completely unknown alien technology and displaying a laughing skull on their monitors is just completely off the charts on my intergalactic stupidity meter. Roland Emmerich: FAIL
And I'm sure 2 and 3 will suck just as much, if not more. I'll pass, thanks.
Roland Emmerich made a few good movies. Joey and Stargate are awesome. Unfortunately after Stargate everything he produced has been a 100% special-effects orgy with 0% brain.
If they were smart (so in other words unlikely to happen) they would advance the time line far enough that earth has reaped the benefits of having more salvaged alien technology. It would make for a more interesting setting and an earth that has not done so won't be recovered from that first attack inside of Will Smith's character's lifetime given the widespread destruction of infrastructure.
The aliens were space gypsies who travel world to world so they can harvest resources before moving on. The first movie didn't mention if their entire race was on that particular flotilla or not. Some may have survived all their ships getting wrecked and are holding out on the parts of earth humans are mostly gone from it would be a good reason for them to be in the second movie but otherwise it should really be a different race. If they have more migrant fleets out there and more of them show up for revenge they will win, end of story, unless humans have done a lot with the tech they should have been able to salvage. If that is the case the planetary defense grid will handle most of the threat, end of story. If humanity had salvaged a bunch of alien tech after barely surviving an alien invasion and their first priority of what to do with it isn't a planetary defense grid they deserve to be killed off.
The aliens were space gypsies who travel world to world so they can harvest resources before moving on. The first movie didn't mention if their entire race was on that particular flotilla or not. Some may have survived all their ships getting wrecked and are holding out on the parts of earth humans are mostly gone from it would be a good reason for them to be in the second movie but otherwise it should really be a different race. If they have more migrant fleets out there and more of them show up for revenge they will win, end of story, unless humans have done a lot with the tech they should have been able to salvage. If that is the case the planetary defense grid will handle most of the threat, end of story. If humanity had salvaged a bunch of alien tech after barely surviving an alien invasion and their first priority of what to do with it isn't a planetary defense grid they deserve to be killed off.
Yay and **** at the same time. While Independence Day was probably the greatest film ever made and another movie with Will Smith would be welcome, I do not want 2 and 3 to ruin the original. You see, I have a movie "pyramid"
................................independence day..............................
...........Spiderman 1...........................Spiderman 2........
..The Star Wars dual trilogy insert here to fill space..
Note the intentional omission of Spiderman 3. It does not exist. Okay!? Please inform me of how you would keep the pyramid normal with 3 at the top.
But I am still excited none the less.
................................independence day..............................
...........Spiderman 1...........................Spiderman 2........
..The Star Wars dual trilogy insert here to fill space..
Note the intentional omission of Spiderman 3. It does not exist. Okay!? Please inform me of how you would keep the pyramid normal with 3 at the top.
But I am still excited none the less.
It would be cool to see Marines take on those aliens face to face, after we got to see them in air battles.
One would wonder how well we would have picked ourselves up again after 15 years after an attack of that scale(Day After Tomorrow and Deep Impact I doubt would have nowhere near the scale of those casualty figures of ID4). This has potential for some real storytelling.
Know who I would get a kick out of seeing return? Adam Baldwin.
One would wonder how well we would have picked ourselves up again after 15 years after an attack of that scale(Day After Tomorrow and Deep Impact I doubt would have nowhere near the scale of those casualty figures of ID4). This has potential for some real storytelling.
Know who I would get a kick out of seeing return? Adam Baldwin.
a new ID4 movie? Aw hell nah!
Actually I quited loved Independence Day though the post Area 51 parts were incredibly slow
Actually I quited loved Independence Day though the post Area 51 parts were incredibly slow
Skimming through this thread and reading the comments it seems like most people agree with you.John Funk said:
I think one of the saddest things of our times is the low standards people place on their entertainment. Make things go boom and put in a few snappy, cool comments or patriotism, and the masses will flock to your product.
Don't get me wrong. I can enjoy a good action flick. Predator is awesome, some Rambo movies are awesome and I like "300". But these movies all have something special complementing the action. In Predator you have interesting characters and a coherent and believable storyline involving an alien headhunter. In 300 you have the unique visual style, creative design and historical background. In Independence Day you just have special effects and cheesy patriotism, while the plot consists of insultingly stupid events. That's not good enough for me.
It could be epic.
Sadly, it probably won't be.
The first was never meant to have a sequel. Forcing sequels on stand-alone epics rarely works out.
1. Retconns abound
2. They inevitably get compared to the original, and fall short no matter what.
3. Story-wise, whatever was absolutely awesome at the end of the first one becomes moot. i.e. if Bill Pullman's speech was just before they destroy the current big bad, the sequels will have a bigger bad, and that 1. makes Bill's speech kind-of premature in hindsight, and 2. no lead-in will live up to it even though it is about a bigger threat and we will be disillusioned like "so you say now, until the next big bad comes along".
I'm holding out hope in spite of cynicism anyway.
Sadly, it probably won't be.
The first was never meant to have a sequel. Forcing sequels on stand-alone epics rarely works out.
1. Retconns abound
2. They inevitably get compared to the original, and fall short no matter what.
3. Story-wise, whatever was absolutely awesome at the end of the first one becomes moot. i.e. if Bill Pullman's speech was just before they destroy the current big bad, the sequels will have a bigger bad, and that 1. makes Bill's speech kind-of premature in hindsight, and 2. no lead-in will live up to it even though it is about a bigger threat and we will be disillusioned like "so you say now, until the next big bad comes along".
I'm holding out hope in spite of cynicism anyway.
We will fight them with the power of Apple!
Maybe in the 2nd one, we'll hack the mothership with an iPhone and in the 3rd with an iPad.
Also,
http://www.cracked.com/article_15229_5-things-hollywood-thinks-computers-can-do_p5.html
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-movies-we-hope-any-potential-alien-invaders-have-seen
Maybe in the 2nd one, we'll hack the mothership with an iPhone and in the 3rd with an iPad.
Also,
http://www.cracked.com/article_15229_5-things-hollywood-thinks-computers-can-do_p5.html
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-movies-we-hope-any-potential-alien-invaders-have-seen
Independence day, was like a pistol that disintegrates itself after firing. Second or third ones will most likely be worse, sadly. But I'd like to be optimistic for a while.
Still it was pretty fun to watch back then.
True, true.Tiamat666 said:
Still it was pretty fun to watch back then.
While that speech is truly awesome, it doesn't compare to JIMMYYYYYYY:John Funk said:
Ever since we saw that, my friends and I refer to anyone getting their asses royally kicked as "little jimmy's", as in if their best friends were there to see it, they would surely scream JIMMY NOOOOOOOOO!
well, actually day after tomorrow and deep impact had casualties of around 80 and 99% of human race respectively.samsonguy920 said:
As for emerich after wasting 2 hours and a half of my precious time with 2012 he should just pack and go home instead. I sense that if these movies come forward they are gona be another big disapointment. Oh wait, if ur especting them to be crap they cant be disapointing, can they?!
I certainly hope they had a pretty good script or two before they decided to go ahead with their plans. Think about it. Wasn't the MO of the alien race from the first movie that they moved from planet to planet using up all of the resources? And then they all died from the nuke? I'm interested to see how they get out of that plot hole. Or is earth just the black sheep of the universe and every alien out there wants us dead?