Yeah, just like Geraldo Rivera!Canid117 said:How long until Fox threatens to fire him if he doesn't retract the statement?
Oh, wait...
Yeah, just like Geraldo Rivera!Canid117 said:How long until Fox threatens to fire him if he doesn't retract the statement?
Find me anything that says (WITH CONTEXT) anything about "non-conservatives are terrorists", and I'll concede. Until then, I'm sure you're using hyperbole.HankMan said:So you're saying George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Fox News are actually liberal?lacktheknack said:The more shameless Liberals wanted everyone to believe they actually said this, yes.HankMan said:Yeah that whole CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO BAN GAY MARRIAGE and that IF YOU ARE NOT WITH US YOU ARE WITH THE TERRORISTS bit were soooooooooooooooooo part of the liberal agenda.archvile93 said:What did ou expect? Liberals are the ones that like to have the government tell you how to live your life, not republicans.
And JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR: I KNOW Cheney doesn't support the amendment thing.
Hate to break it to ya but liberals are just as guilty of that. Just sayin...Woodsey said:I'll never understand why a political group who wants the government to be as uninvolved with the public's lives as possible constantly demands the government to outlaw and restrict things.
Because the Patriot Act banned various unhealthy substances, added curfews, disallowed communications between different groups, and - wait.Xzi said:I lol'd. I suppose the Patriot Act was enacted to give us MORE freedom, then?archvile93 said:What did ou expect? Liberals are the ones that like to have the government tell you how to live your life, not republicans.
"The Act was passed by wide margins in both houses of Congress and was supported by members of both the Republican and Democratic parties."Xzi said:I lol'd. I suppose the Patriot Act was enacted to give us MORE freedom, then? Clearly tapping everyone's phone was just an innocent prank.archvile93 said:What did ou expect? Liberals are the ones that like to have the government tell you how to live your life, not republicans.
Unfortunately you are incorrect about the original content. The Founding Fathers wished for America to be an example to the rest of the world, to show that their society was one of liberty and freedom (all this was, of course, in theory). The American Constitution served as a document of a new kind of political thought grounded in the logic of liberal thinkers like John Locke. Locke's concept of 'natural rights', that every person has a core set of inalienable rights as set forth by God was a huge part of the American political movement during the Revolution, and continued after when they were making the Constitution. The Constitution says people and means it, 'we the people' is used, but citizenship wasn't defined in the Constitution until the Fourteenth Amendment I believe. Yet the document states people, as can be seen in this youtube video by a member of the American Civil Liberties Union (who, I think we can safely say, has more knowledge on the subject them both of us combined):Cocamaster said:It reads "We the People of the United States", in an age where "citizenship" was applied to individual states, whose entire citizenry was collectivelly reffered to "the United States People".Blind Sight said:What I don't get is all those American conservatives (Limbaugh included) who seem to think that the constitution says that if you're not an American citizen you don't have any rights within America (thus giving them justification for treating foreign terrorist suspects like shit, etc.). Bullshit, the constitution says PEOPLE, not CITIZENS. Jesus people, at least read the damn constitution before you start to 'defend' it, I'm Canadian and I know more about it then you do.
Meaning that, in fact, "People" means "Citizens" in the U.S. Costitution.
I'm nether a U.S. American nor Canadian, but I know more about their Constitution than you do, apparently. Besides that, Canada's Immigration laws are strictier than in the U.S. You should know that.
Indeed, and I didn't say that wasn't the case, what I said is that there is a series of conservatives in the United States who, through ignorance, feel that the United States Constitution doesn't recognize the rights of any non-American person. That youtube video I posted above has a good example of Sarah Palin, and Limbaugh himself said this on Abu Ghraib:Sir John the Net Knight said:Non-citizens in America have more rights than they do in any other country in the world. If you don't believe me, get arrested in a country where you're not a citizen.Blind Sight said:What I don't get is all those American conservatives (Limbaugh included) who seem to think that the constitution says that if you're not an American citizen you don't have any rights within America (thus giving them justification for treating foreign terrorist suspects like shit, etc.). Bullshit, the constitution says PEOPLE, not CITIZENS. Jesus people, at least read the damn constitution before you start to 'defend' it, I'm Canadian and I know more about it then you do.
That is, unless you mean the Civil Rights Act, which was voted for mainly by Republicans and a few Democrats who had the balls to go against their hard-line party? Just goes to show you how much things change...-Zen- said:1. Democrat has never meant 'for rights'. Examples: FCC. Prohibition. Arguable: Health care bill.
2. Republican has never meant 'for rights'. Examples: Patriot act.
No, you're thinking of severe right-wing pyschopath republicans that the rest of us republicans don't like to aknowledge the existance of.HankMan said:So you're saying George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Fox News are actually liberal?lacktheknack said:The more shameless Liberals wanted everyone to believe they actually said this, yes.HankMan said:Yeah that whole CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO BAN GAY MARRIAGE and that IF YOU ARE NOT WITH US YOU ARE WITH THE TERRORISTS bit were soooooooooooooooooo part of the liberal agenda.archvile93 said:What did ou expect? Liberals are the ones that like to have the government tell you how to live your life, not republicans.
And JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR: I KNOW Cheney doesn't support the amendment thing.
It still has NOTHING to do with "telling us how to live our lives".Xzi said:You kinda left out some stuff. You know, like rendition and phone tapping. Just minor infringements on our rights...lacktheknack said:Because the Patriot Act banned various unhealthy substances, added curfews, disallowed communications between different groups, and - wait.Xzi said:I lol'd. I suppose the Patriot Act was enacted to give us MORE freedom, then?archvile93 said:What did ou expect? Liberals are the ones that like to have the government tell you how to live your life, not republicans.
Not related.
For the last time, I don't recall ever saying republicans never try to give government more power, but don't even try to tell me that it's not democrats that usually do.Xzi said:I lol'd. I suppose the Patriot Act was enacted to give us MORE freedom, then? Clearly tapping everyone's phone was just an innocent prank.archvile93 said:What did ou expect? Liberals are the ones that like to have the government tell you how to live your life, not republicans.
This is because you have a brain and know how to use it, not only that but you're pretty good at using it too. I'd like to say the same of the people who are clogging my home town of DC right now, but I cannot.Onyx Oblivion said:He's right, you know.
This is a man that always manages to conflict me. I agree with about 50% of what he says, and disagree with the other 50%.
Your right, I'll just do what Clinton did to pay off my debts from now on. I get another loan and use to pay off the old one.Xzi said:Of course I wouldn't say that. But government having more power isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as that power is used for good. I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican, but hindsight is twenty-twenty, and looking back on it, I'd gladly take Bill Clinton in office for another three terms rather than what we got, wouldn't you? He left office with a government surplus on the table, and Bush turned it into a huge debt with a failing economy.archvile93 said:For the last time, I don't recall ever saying republicans never try to give government more power, but don't even try to tell me that it's not democrats that usually do.Xzi said:I lol'd. I suppose the Patriot Act was enacted to give us MORE freedom, then? Clearly tapping everyone's phone was just an innocent prank.archvile93 said:What did ou expect? Liberals are the ones that like to have the government tell you how to live your life, not republicans.