Science Breakthrough: Plate Armor is Heavy

azukar

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In a related story, researchers in the U.S.A. discovered that swords are pointy. This revelation shocked historical societies the world over.
 

EclipseoftheDarkSun

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Double A said:
theheroofaction said:
breaking news: water is wet. Also: ice is cold
MY LIFE IS A LIE! Next thing you know, fire will be hot trees made of wood! What is the world coming to!?


Anyway... My LARPing friend told me that plate mail is heavy, but so is chainmail. Plate evenly distributes its weight all across your body, but chain puts all its weight on your shoulders. It's also why he prefers plate mail.
Trees are made of wood??!1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05av9iJvgiQ&feature=related
 

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This just in: musical instruments have the potential to play musical notes. With further testing we wish to test the theory that a succession of notes can become a melody.
 
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Breaking news:
Water is wet!
Fire is hot!
ice is cold!
Trees are made of wood!
Metal & steel are Heavy!
These british sceintists are idiots!
People BREATH!

more at 10!
 

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Negatempest said:
Oroboros said:
Negatempest said:
It "is" obvious. But you also have to remember that for some reason people believe being in a full plate armor is "realistically" safer in most RPG's. When in truth, the BEST bet is to wear extremely durable leather over some chainmail. Leather for arrows, chain mail for sword strikes. Which is why the armor in The Witcher makes tremendous sense compared to trying to do all he does in a full plate mail.
Mail armor, while more flexible, is not lighter or better distributed then plate armor. Leather gambesons are not particularly light either. The Witcher would be better off with a breastplate and a helmet, honestly. It would offer better protection and be lighter.
In theory, chainmail has been known more as a lighter compared to plate mail. But most importantly it is flexible and less awkward to roll around in. You "could" do the same with chest plate but would usually cover the front and half the sides exposed slightly. Though this depends on the make of the mail and the make of the leather.
While the chainmail is good for turning away edged weapons and the hardened leather for absorbing the impact, it still falls reasonably short when defending against piercing weapons. The odd lance or polearm wouldn't have much trouble penetrating that combination of armor (even a shortsword used right might feasibly be able to do it). That's where the hard, rounded surface that plate armor provides truly shines.

Can't say for certain, but I would also think that a good old fashioned english longbow or a crossbow bolt wouldn't have too much difficulty penetrating leather either.
 

mjc0961

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...Are you fucking kidding me? They wasted money to do research into figuring out that wearing big heavy armor plating would cause the wearer to exert more energy and get tired faster? I could have told them this for free!

I mean really. All the problems in the world and they're wasting money on this ridiculous "research".
 

Lazy Kitty

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And that is why they call it "Heavy Armour".

All the interesting science has already been done or is too hard?
Try something to which the answer is obvious. Like proving that heavy armour is heavy.
Congratulations, you are now a scientist!
 

iLikeHippos

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... Just how much did this research cost in resources? I sincerely hope it didn't reach a million budget, if that's any near possible.

Also, tell THAT to my Oblivion Knight who can jump up 5 meters into the air with a full suit of armor, and still have the breath to mock the enemy, yet takes nearly regular damage as if he was unarmored.
So he's basically light as a feather, but weak as an oyster.
 

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Crystalgate said:
60 to 110 pounds? Isn't that jousting armor? I could have sworn that armor they used in war was much lighter.
Armor grew increasingly heavy as offensive technologies grew more advanced. In most cases in history, offensive technology outpaces defensive ones and such was the case eventually with plate armor. The advent of armor piercing arrows and bolts could be countered through better tactics and somewhat heavier armor but the introduction and rapid evolution of firearms is what proved to be armor's undoing. In order to wear enough armor to protect an entire Knight made combat all but impossible.

This same trend holds true today. A modern Main Battle Tank (Like the M1 Abrams), from the right angle, has several feet of advanced composite armor protecting it from enemy fire. In spite of this, a single anti-tank projectile, fired by a small team of infantry, are more than capable of destroying the tank and killing its crew. Thus why you see tanks in modern warfare most commonly used in pitched battle in open terrain: because their defensive edge means little in the face of well designed weaponry.
 

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Did anyone read the actual paper? It wasn't just 'armour is heavy'. They tested to see why it's relatively heavier than the equivalent weight on the back, they tested the effects of carrying it and so on.

It's just the media trying to get a headline about things, the actual study was much more comprehensive than just "wear this. Is it heavy?"
 

Ranooth

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I saw this in the paper at work last night, i nearly broke the table with the massive deskpalm i did.
 

TornadoADV

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Eclectic Dreck said:
This same trend holds true today. A modern Main Battle Tank (Like the M1 Abrams), from the right angle, has several feet of advanced composite armor protecting it from enemy fire. In spite of this, a single anti-tank projectile, fired by a small team of infantry, are more than capable of destroying the tank and killing its crew. Thus why you see tanks in modern warfare most commonly used in pitched battle in open terrain: because their defensive edge means little in the face of well designed weaponry.
You've obviously never seen what the Abrams can absorb damage wise, even before the models as old as the A1 (mostly known for replacing the 105mm with the 120mm). Getting a mobility kill on an Abrams turns it into a very angry pillbox with 360 arc coverage.

To put it simply, the Abrams is able to resist almost anything in even our arsenal short of a GBU-28 through the top armour and keep the entire crew alive.