Satoz, yes, it may be a cheap-ass tactic, but it was done to provoke a negative response so he could study the behaviour of a small, tight knit MMO community when pure under pressure.
Science Discovers That MMOG Players Are Jerks
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He wasn't playing like the box described. You've never seen the box.Flap Jack452 said:
And you're feeling bad for a troll because he's whining about how it's unfair that people don't like trolls?
I never said He was playing like the box described. I never saw the box say how the game was basically a chat room, I remember it saying there was PVP action, heroes against villains.insanelich said:
When I posted that I was unaware that he was using a game exploit, the article made it seem like he was just beating people fairly. So how about you calm down a little bit?
Part of the appeal of MMOs is playing your way so "as the box described" is kind of a misnomer.Flap Jack452 said:
See, now I would play Eve online, but for several reasons:Rylian said:
1) SLllllllow start
2) You seem to need to be online around 25+ hours a week in order to get to play the good stuff, and...
3) The people who play the game seriously seem to demand you play twice as much as that in order to get into a good corporation.
In theory, I should love this game as sort of like Elite/X/{space trading sim here}: Online, but for the amount of work you need to put into impressing the big boys not to hunt you down as a newbie.
The professor was being an idiot in every sense of the word. He employed cheap and annoying tactics on individuals who didn't even wish to fight him. He went around griefing people. He doesn't deserve death threats, but he was rightfully labeled as an outcast.
Kudos to David Myers for playing by the rules. He beat City of Heroes jerks at their own game (making good people angry) and did it the right way. I myself have never played City of Heroes, but I think his idea of playing by the rules AND making jerks angry with guerilla tactics and a nack for teleporting is quite a clever idea.
Well, then you just misremember. Very badly.Flap Jack452 said:
It's heroes against villains and villains against heroes, yes. Heroes (as in City of Heroes) against NPC villains, Villains (as in City of Villains) against NPC heroes.
PvP is a badly done afterthought, given CoV didn't exist when the game was originally made.
Having played Coh I can safely say his tactics where not that clever, really it is a tactic many people can pull off and it is a boring one too. He went around attacking people who where not in place to attack back or camped in a spot where he was safe and teleported others onto an npc to be killed. While some people where stupid in there replies he was being a jerk and instigated all the actions him self. I am also don't think that he got any thing more than a few of the moment angry replies and slowly turned other players against him by being a general pest.RAMBO22 said:
Right, there's something about City Of Heroes that you need to know first. A couple of things for instance.
Now, with Twixt having TP Other, he has hold of one of the most infuriating powers in the game, apart from perhaps Stalker's Invis or Electric's Energy Zap.
What TP Other basically does it teleport you from where you are, right into the range of one of the base defences, which instakills you, bringing debt and not resetting any timed powers.
Using it in a Hero/Villain match is on the same lines as spawn camping or team killing, guaranteed to mark you as a douche. And TP Other, in game, is a lousy power anyway - so I get the feeling that Twixt was designed to be a twat, or if he wasn't, then he's biased the results by what he's been doing.
Now, if Professor Twixt really wanted to check on how people reacted, perhaps the idea of ignoring the consensus, utilising 'dodgy' rules and then talking about it on the forums MAYBE made some people get angry.
I'm bloody sure I would have.
And what he also fails to realise is that Recluse's Victory is only open to characters level 45-50, therefore removing most of the players of the game from the context of his report.
That's before you go into the whole PvP vs. RPG debate. Or all the near unkillable NPCs.
Now, with Twixt having TP Other, he has hold of one of the most infuriating powers in the game, apart from perhaps Stalker's Invis or Electric's Energy Zap.
What TP Other basically does it teleport you from where you are, right into the range of one of the base defences, which instakills you, bringing debt and not resetting any timed powers.
Using it in a Hero/Villain match is on the same lines as spawn camping or team killing, guaranteed to mark you as a douche. And TP Other, in game, is a lousy power anyway - so I get the feeling that Twixt was designed to be a twat, or if he wasn't, then he's biased the results by what he's been doing.
Now, if Professor Twixt really wanted to check on how people reacted, perhaps the idea of ignoring the consensus, utilising 'dodgy' rules and then talking about it on the forums MAYBE made some people get angry.
I'm bloody sure I would have.
And what he also fails to realise is that Recluse's Victory is only open to characters level 45-50, therefore removing most of the players of the game from the context of his report.
That's before you go into the whole PvP vs. RPG debate. Or all the near unkillable NPCs.
So, Twixt was being a douche and then got surprised that people called him out on it. Perhaps people should be asking what a media professor was doing winding people up for two years?
Nack for teleporting = Sitting next to a drone and clicking on someone as they go past. Instakill on them.RAMBO22 said:
Is Team Roomba going to do the same?
This mainly sounds like the fault of the developers. Players shouldn't need or want to be in a PVP area if they don't want to PVP - if it's the best way to get XP or the only way to talk to the other side, that's a mistake. And the fact that they had this instagib power in the game is incredibly stupid. I'm surprised no one else used it - this "researcher" can't be the first jackass to realize that tp + superpowered NPCs = griefing potential.
What's really depressing is how many people take his side. The noble scientist, restoring order to the game and getting death threats for it. Except for the part where he was apparently unkillable even when they teamed up on him.
What's really depressing is how many people take his side. The noble scientist, restoring order to the game and getting death threats for it. Except for the part where he was apparently unkillable even when they teamed up on him.
If he was using an ability coded into the game by the devs without taking advantage of any glitches, exploits, etc. it's fair by me. If teleporting people is his ability, I see no reason why he shouldn't have used it to his advantage. But, what have you, people are jerks.
Wait...what the hell was he doing that pissed people off? There is no "correct way of playing."
*reads*
Wait a second...he came to a conclusion that MMOG players are jerks...by playing City of Heroes PvP?
I'm torn between screaming out to the world "NO ****, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!" and smacking half the people in this thread.
City of Heroes has the worst PvP of any MMO I've ever seen (yes, I'm including World of Warcraft in that statement). It's an extremely small section of the game that serves as the entire fanbase's douchebag disposal!
And he teleported people into range of drones! I'm sorry, I don't buy his argument about "there was no moderator response". No friggin' wonder people were pissed off at him! Droning is CoH's equivalent to spawn camping!
Screw it, I'm not reading the last six pages. Does he say anything else?
So, not only did he come to a conclusion based on a single sample, he didn't even use a representative sample. Isn't that the kind of shit that flunks you out of Stats class?
*reads*
Wait a second...he came to a conclusion that MMOG players are jerks...by playing City of Heroes PvP?
I'm torn between screaming out to the world "NO ****, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!" and smacking half the people in this thread.
City of Heroes has the worst PvP of any MMO I've ever seen (yes, I'm including World of Warcraft in that statement). It's an extremely small section of the game that serves as the entire fanbase's douchebag disposal!
And he teleported people into range of drones! I'm sorry, I don't buy his argument about "there was no moderator response". No friggin' wonder people were pissed off at him! Droning is CoH's equivalent to spawn camping!
Screw it, I'm not reading the last six pages. Does he say anything else?
So, not only did he come to a conclusion based on a single sample, he didn't even use a representative sample. Isn't that the kind of shit that flunks you out of Stats class?
That's pretty much it.A Pious Cultist said:
