Scientists Debate Magical DNA Teleportation

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emeraldrafael said:
I get that you dont get it, but you really should try to do something instead of just calling it magic. Unintentionally, you white washed this entire article to set up this guy as some sort of loon and wizard, when he could be on the edge of a major break through that could be the break through on teleportation.

EDIT: not that I would get it if I saw, but someone who did could probably explain it more simply.
Well the vague explantion I have this.

Two test tubes.
1) DNA (100 Bases, basically DNA exists in four lettered alphabet of ACTG, where each ACTG is an individual monomer which, in the final DNA molecule, has been polymerised to form a (in this case) a 100 base long chain.)
2) Water. Just water.

The test tubes were isolated from the earth's electromagnetic field (I don't know the physic sof this part, sorry) and then left there for awhile. Both test tubes were then subjected to the polymerise chain reaction (PCR). DNA exists as a double helix, two strands of polymers wound together, and the PCR splits these two strand and then replicates them both to form 2 "daughter" strands of the original molecule. Each DNA strand contains the information to form a replica of it's "sister" strand. It's basically used to generate large amounts of DNA, since from the "daughter" strands you can keep repeating PCR and have a exponential growth in the levels of DNA (2, 4 ,8 , 16... 2^n).

Once PCR was subject to both, apparently and this is a big apparently since it hasn't been peer reviewed yet, they were able to generate DNA molecules from the test tube only containing water. The explanation is that DNA has an electronmagnetic signal, which is pretty much a given since it contains electrons. The experiment goes on to suggest that the electrical signal from the electrons can cause the water molecules in a near by tube to line up and take on the shape of DNA long enough that the enzymes in the PCR reaction can mistake if for the DNA itself.

To be honest I'm rather cynical, I mean if it's true it's stupidly cool but
1) PCR is performed at around 72 degress centigrade (I think, or around there defiantly higher then body temperature, and it requires special enzymes from heat resistant bacteria)which would give the water molecules large amounts of energy and, especially if they are no longer near the DNA sample, any imprinting (if there is any) could be over come by the high temperatures.
2)How the infomation would be stored in water for a large amount of time is hard to understand since water molecules make and break hydrogen molecules with them selves all the time. And this random shuffling of H-bonds (an hydrogen in one molecules attracted to the oxygen in another) is the lowest energy state of water. And the electromagnetic field from the DNA would have to over come this.

Sorry if you've already had this answered but I thought I'd give it a go.

Dana22 said:
The Nobel Prize Committee must feel really silly right now.
I doubt it, since the person involved "Luc Montagier" was part of the group of people that established that HIV caused AIDs. So I feel the Nobel Prize is still pretty valid, and who knows they could be write. Just need a few repeat experiments a and a peer review.
 

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Oh look it's the New Scientist manufacturing controversy again.

Getting a Nobel prize isn't an indemnity against wacky thinking, as you'll know after spending a minute or two listening to James Watson...

-Gift.
 

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messy said:
Ididnt see any responses, but thank you. It makes more sense and while I say I would think he is crazy if he told me out of the blue, after reading, I think he has something and this could be a break through.
 

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emeraldrafael said:
messy said:
Ididnt see any responses, but thank you. It makes more sense and while I say I would think he is crazy if he told me out of the blue, after reading, I think he has something and this could be a break through.
It is hard to believe but there's just enough plausibility. Although I do wonder what biological purpose this could solve. A cell is not just a big bag of water, there is so much dissolved in it that it reaches a gel like state. And there are some theories that even the water in a cell is organised.

Ranorak said:
Scott Bullock said:
To prove this, Montagnier sealed 2 test tubes away from the earth's magnetic field, one containing a 100 base long strand of DNA, and one containing pure water. He proceeded to do a bunch of science things I don't understand, but essentially he put them in a copper coil and applied an electromagnetic field of 7 hertz to the two tubes. He then ran the contents of the tubes through a polymerase chain reaction, which basically is an enzyme that copies DNA. The DNA string was found in both tubes.

Like I said, magic.
That.... or just contamination of the 100bp DNA sequence into the "water" cup.
PCR is done with a Polymerase enzyme. It needs to bind on DNA in order to replicate it. It can't bind on water that just has the same electromagnetic properties. It needs a actual single strand of DNA.

The odds are waaaay more likely that he just contaminated his water vial.
Enzymes go on shape (and electrical charge). Both DNA and water form H-bonds, and the accuracy of DNA polymerase is based on the H-bonds formed between complimentary bases. So there is a chance, very slim, that that if the water took on the shape of the DNA it would align to form similar to H-bonds to complimentary bases. This all being said I'm still on the side of caution, the fact the a peer review hasn't been done yet.
 

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messy said:
well, like everything its a step and things will need to be crunched and worked out. I tink its mainly the convenience of teleportation. Imagine going places over thousands of miles away in the blink of an eye. Its a nice thought really.
 

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emeraldrafael said:
messy said:
well, like everything its a step and things will need to be crunched and worked out. I tink its mainly the convenience of teleportation. Imagine going places over thousands of miles away in the blink of an eye. Its a nice thought really.
Although its not really teleportation, it's long range cloning.
 

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This is kind of old news:

http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2009/10/why-i-am-nominating-luc-montagnier-for.html

Here he's been doing it with bacterial DNA; and as if by magic the bad bacteria reproduce via electromagnetic waves but the nice bacteria don't (please add your own extremely sarcastic inflection to the preceding sentance)