Scientists Develop "Bulletproof Custard"

Abedeus

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dogstile said:
Hey, i've never worn a combat vest (Look at my picture, does it look like I have?) and a couple of litres of water weigh loads and this custard stuff has a higher density, it was best guess :p
Well I once worse an actual medieval armor. Only the breastplate, but GOD DAMN that was heavy! Kevlar armors are a lot lighter, but still tiring and burdening as hell.
 

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Interesting. I've heard talk about trying to make non-newtonian liquids into some sort of body armor, but this is the first practical test I've heard of.
 

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BlackStar42 said:
Only the British would think to use custard as body armour.
I thought that the US have been trying to use non-newtonian fluids in body armor for a few years now...

OT: Pretty interesting, though I think all that this material and custard have in common is that they are both non-newtonian (i.e. harden when sudden pressure is applied) but this material hardens much more rapidly.
 
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The_root_of_all_evil said:
1.Now all it needs is fish-fingers and all will be complete.

BlackStar42 said:
Only the British would think to use custard as body armour.
2.You've never had British School Dinners, have you? ;)
1. Rocket Propelled Fishfingers...
The doctor would not be amused.
2. Last time I had one of our good old 'british' school dinners I fainted... no seriosly.
All i can think of is FOOD FIGHT!
*knocks out alarmed teacher with bullet-proof custard*
 

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Muffinthraka said:
Wouldn't "Bulletproof Custard" be a great name for a movie.
My thoughts exactly. An epic tale of love, hope, and retribution! Following the journey of a bowl of custard that took a bullet for someone it loved, only to be paralyzed from the waste down, unable to move or function in society.(actually, it's just 90 minutes of watching a bowl of custard sit on a hospital bed.)

Question: Can it stop bacon bullets?
 

Skeleton Jelly

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Well, they didn't mass produce Dragon Skin Amour for their soldiers, so I don't think they'll use this.

And Dragon Skin Amour is basically a amour that can take a loooot of bullets.
 

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Logan Westbrook said:
Scientists Develop "Bulletproof Custard"


BAE Systems in the UK fired ball bearing shaped bullets at over 300 meters per second into two test materials: 31 layers of untreated Kevlar and 10 layers of Kevlar combined with its liquid armor. What it found was that the liquid/Kevlar combination was much more effective than Kevlar alone.
After being bombarded with scientific breakthrough articles that don't really matter (They got fish to follow a robot, so? Don't misunderstand, I love reading them, but it's not like they change anything) It's nice to see one that actually sounds like it could be a major breakthrough for something practical.
 
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Jack and Calumon said:
First, we ate custard. Then we Walked on Custard. Now it stops bullets. Next, it shall be the power of the car of the future through the power of Perpetual Motion.

Calumon: It gets faster!
AND THEN, IT WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD!

OT: Seriously, this is awesome. Liquid body armor. This is the future I'm always on about.
 

Living Contradiction

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Hmmm, so it doesn't function on its own so much as improve the bulletproofing you already have on.

I'll stick to eating my custard for now and wait for the Battle Trifle with detachable C4 gelatin to make its apperance.
 

Therumancer

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Lacsapix said:
Light,heavy and now liquid armour...

but doesn't the custard leak out when there's a hole in the kevlar?

This is a very, very old idea actually. If you've read much science fiction you'd have heard about it for a long time now, as well as the research being done to create it (which the article mentions) which is one of the reasons why so many science fiction authors use it as an idea. Heck, I'm pretty sure some RPGs have even mentioned kinetic armor/underlays using this principle as well.

At any rate, the thing is that it's being described as "custard" due to the apperance. Most science fiction refers to it as "Gel". Like many industrial "Gels" while technically liquid it doesn't flow exactly like water. What's more the idea is for it to disperse the impact, the general principles in most hypothetical descriptions of such armor involve the gel being sandwiched between ceramic/plastic plates as opposed to being used with Kevlar.

Truthfully though if they are this close, I'm somewhat apalled that they have outed this publically. With the way things are turning between the east and west any "X weapon" (x meanining unknown) or combat development should be kept under the table or distributed only among very select allies. In the case of Britan and the EU, while nothing remains secret forever equipping a few units with this stuff secretly could do wonders if Russia decides to play more "Georgia" type games right outside the EU borders, cut of gas supplies, etc... while a lot of the military forces are occupied overseas.

Given that nations like China don't respect patents in general, especially things like this, as soon as the first suits of usable armor are produced (and people will now be looking for it) China is going to analyze and steal the tech, and then we're going to see them producing knock offs not only for their own military and police forces, but also for anyone else who wants to pay for them. Meaning of course that we're looking at what is probably going to be a race to see if the UK/US/allies can form the manufacturing contracts to start equipping troops faster than knock off artists can start selling them to the third world and terrorist organizations.


... and of course once we see how this turns out in practice, we're also going to see the race to develop guns that can penetrate this armor once it's out there.

Still, in the short term, keeping quiet would have meant that the next time Britan felt the need to send in a unit or three of Royal Marine Commandos whomever was on the receiving end would be in for an unusually unpleasant surprise if this armor rendered small arms far more of an inconveinence. I feel only once it had been "outed" this way would it be appropriate to go somewhat public, and of course begin mass production for military and police forces.
 

Therumancer

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Skeleton Jelly said:
Well, they didn't mass produce Dragon Skin Amour for their soldiers, so I don't think they'll use this.

And Dragon Skin Amour is basically a amour that can take a loooot of bullets.
Well there was a lot of contreversy over the next gen armor projects like this, including the implication that the mass produced versions of the armor that were being passed off were no where near as effective as the prototypes, which may have also been staged. I remember reading some stuff to this effect years ago when it was more recent.

Also at least in the US there are political aspects to the entire thing that can get really messed up. A lot of people in our goverment take a very anti-military position and believe in a "peace at any price" doctrine. While it would be political suicide for someone to not support our troops publically, you have seen a lot of people taking a "I'm for our troops, but agains the war" attitude. This has lead to things like body armor and armoring hummers having become political volleyballs where politicians (and some surprising ones) have come out in favor of providing body armor to protect American lives publically, but then not actually followed through in trying to get actual approval. It was a big deal for a while. The general attitude being that as much as these guys might "support our troops" they feel the best way to stop the war is for those same troops to die so there would be increasing pressure to bring them home. It's fairly easy to find stuff on going both ways, though few sources state it quite this clearly.

Along with the issue of quality, there is of course the issue of some politicians trying to discourage the current war by keeping a close handle of the purse strings. A body armor upgrade being something that is going to meet with opposition.

Similar to how our military was developed to pretty much being death and destruction to the enemy, get in, kill everyone and break everything, and then leave. Exactly the kind of engagement doctrine that current American morality has an issue with. We are supposed to be quick on the offense, with no real care for civilians, and force the enemy into a position of constantly having to try to adapt to us rather than vice versa. Hence all of these "Daisy Cutter Bombs" and such which we spent all this time developing, their very existance shows a kind of engagement doctrine that wasn't supposed to be concerned with an "antiseptic engagement".

We weren't expecting to act as an occupying police force, and thus the vehicles our military has were not designed for it. Pretty much existing in the extremes of "unsubtle mobile killing machine" (ie tanks and such) and very light vehicles meant to go from point A to point B carrying information/personell/light supplies without engaging in battle. We never planend to have the hummers and jeeps being used to patrol through hostile territory with insurgents hiding among an sympathetic (to them) civilian population waiting to ambush. The whole "war" we're involved in now pretty much matching the very definition of what our military was NOT supposed to do.

However, before anyone screams about this, understand that part of the contreversy has been that if the US military was given more light armored vehicles, and more body armor for troops, this preparation would encourage the military to be used in this capacity more often. Something opposed by both those who fear America becoming more of the police force we're accused of being (and engaging in casual occupations, which we would get better at with time), and those who don't want such things to dilute our current combat doctrine, feeling that it will be nessicary should we have to engage in a serious "total war" of the sort we prepared for.

The point being that a lot of politicians don't want our troops being involved in things like this (and heck, might not even want a military) and don't want to spend the money on it. Others would much rather take the money and invest it in "real weapons". The arguement by the latter side being that for the cost of equipping 50,000 dudes in fancy new body armor they could roll out a couple dozen tanks or whatever and believe that it would be more effective to have the tanks in the kind of war we should be fighting (not a specific equivilency, just explaining the attitude).

The latter attitude based on the idea that while wars DO ultimatly come down to how many boots you can put on the ground, the idea is for the infantry to clean up after you've already bombed the living crud out of the target with planes, tanks, and artillery. Infantry being the guys who come in for the "clean up" rather than the forefront of the attack unlike other wars, hence the minimal equipment (barring special units). The role of grunts (to a certain manner of thinking) being for them mostly to act as forward observers for the real weapons.... all stories about "Rambo hits the beaches" or whatever are entertaining and all, and had their place, but the American theory on war has been all about having a small, more highly advanced force and doing most of the fighting with technology, missles, bombs, and war machines. Part of what justified a lot of the military downsizing before we got involved in the current mess... the idea being that we didn't need to maintain huge mobs of infantry if we were going to do all our fighting with tanks and such. Bases could be closed because while we needed some, we didn't need anything close to what we had. Sort of ironic since the first real conflict we got into saw us pretty much ignoring all of the tactics we decided we were going to use, largely because in the end we were too moral to pull the trigger (so to speak).

Ah well, enough rambling. In short, whether you agrere with me on the specifics or not, the point is that there are political aspects to this. Who says what and what they are saying doesn't matter much in the scope of the overall point I guess.
 

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tkioz said:
Trust the poms to come up with body armour that you could eat :p.
it's spelt POHMs its short for Prisoners Of His/Her Majestyand was actually written on the backs of persons who were transported to Australia...
I agree with the bit about the french though