Just so you know folks, Europeans that come out ≠ science-knowledgeable...
and you thought American lawyers and prosecutors were silly.
and you thought American lawyers and prosecutors were silly.
Scientists On Trial For.... Earthquakes?
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Seriously? How these people live their lives without forgetting how to breathe just amazes me.
Seriously? How these people live their lives without forgetting how to breathe just amazes me.
See! It's not just us!Jonluw said:
The stupid. It hurts so much.
I totally expected this to be coming from some religious nuts in the US.
Other people got crazies too!
Which country is this?
At least its not Italy, that way I don't feel like half my family tree is involved.
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AW GODDAMNIT!
You've kind of already used my response to that just now. The Romans might seem bad by our modern standards, but in the old days almost everyone was conquering land and taking slaves, if they had the strength and tech for the job. Difference between the Romans and, say, the Huns, or the Mongols under Genghis Khan, or indeed the Vikings, was that the Romans used their power to make great advances in civilised pursuits such as science and art. (Yes, I know those four cultures all arrived on the scene at very different times.)Housebroken Lunatic said:Ah but you forget something, who BUILT all those aqueducts and paved roads? No, no im not talking about the "designers" but the manual labour. That's right: slaves!Random berk said:
And where did romans get their slaves from? Why their many imperialistic wars of conquest of course!
So if I lived in olden times, then yeah: I'd totally say: fuck the romans!.. But being scandinavian, I probably wouldn't be much better myself considering that the vikings didn't have the best of reputation abroad. There's a reason why some old maps say not to go north: Beware, here be cold winters where you freeze your balls off, and fucking vikings who'll kill you and take your stuff!
In an conversation like this, I feel I really should post this:
http://youtu.be/ExWfh6sGyso[/youtube]
Well I guess I can see why some people would be pissed, but this piece of information does not change much if anything at all. Improbable means unlikely and unless that area of Italy was near a major fault line or had a history of major earthquakes I think that improbable is a reasonable term to use. I would really like to see this "inexact, incomplete and contradictory information the prosecution speaks of.Jace1709 said:
Were gunna need a bigger dome, count me in also =_=ssgt splatter said:Better make it three.Cleril said:Is there room in there for two?Daystar Clarion said:Ugh, really?
That's just...
I can't...
If anyone needs me, I'll be in the angry dome.
Government on trial should be a new reality series, right? Wouldn't that be one of the highest rated programs ever? I'd think so.
oh those wacky italians. will they ever learn?
captcha; etonsc one's self? how does one even....
captcha; etonsc one's self? how does one even....
Good idea, I'll bring a bag of chips and my XBOX so we can play Gears 3 after we're done cursing their stupidity.jumjalalabash said:Love how they are blaming the scientists instead of blaming the office in charge of warning the public.Lets make it a whole damn party. I'll bring the spiked purple soda.ssgt splatter said:Better make it three.Cleril said:Is there room in there for two?Daystar Clarion said:Ugh, really?
That's just...
I can't...
If anyone needs me, I'll be in the angry dome.
Government on trial should be a new reality series, right? Wouldn't that be one of the highest rated programs ever? I'd think so.
we should just build a city in our dome. then we could keep out the stupidLug100 said:Were gunna need a bigger dome, count me in also =_=ssgt splatter said:Better make it three.Cleril said:Is there room in there for two?Daystar Clarion said:Ugh, really?
That's just...
I can't...
If anyone needs me, I'll be in the angry dome.
Government on trial should be a new reality series, right? Wouldn't that be one of the highest rated programs ever? I'd think so.
That's correct. Apologies if my post implied he was executed by the Church. To be honest, I was in a hurry when I was typing that out, so I would not be surprised if it sounded that way. EDIT: I checked, and you're right! I can't believe I said "the real reason he was executed". I meant to say "the real reason he was tried". I think I must have been getting ahead of myself, wanting to talk about Bruno.Zetatrain said:
He was tried for heresy, but he had his sentence commuted to house arrest, likely because he had such a long-running good relationship with the church, and because it is difficult to claim someone is a heretic when they claim that their "heresy" doesn't conflict with scripture (Galileo shared Copernicus's viewpoint that heliocentricism does not defy the Bible).
Ironically, Galileo's greatest work may have been the work he completed in the comfort of his home while under house arrest. This was the time period that he wrote "Two New Sciences" -- about kinetics and durability. It would seem that Pope Urban VIII inadvertently caused Galileo to become the father of modern physics by commuting his sentence (while he himself would come to be known for nothing more than accumulating a huge debt for the Papacy -- another sign of his moral failings).
All i really have to say about this is what idiot comes up with this crap? I dread the day when some idiot starts claiming all us programmers are evil and didn't try to prevent the terminator robots...
50,000 geologists, geophyscists and basically Earth Scientists in general all cry out a resounding:
[HEADING=1]"WHAT, THE, HECK!"[/HEADING]
As a geologist I find this not only infruriating but shows that there is a complete lack of understanding about these sorts of things amoungst the people who should be on the scientist's side. My goodness.
It should be governments backing up the scientists and telling people, 'hay guys, you can't predict these things, they've been working on it for years and you can.' Not saying 'oh, yeah, it's totally the scientists fault, y'know, the people what try save lives through science.'
Oh dear...
[HEADING=1]"WHAT, THE, HECK!"[/HEADING]
As a geologist I find this not only infruriating but shows that there is a complete lack of understanding about these sorts of things amoungst the people who should be on the scientist's side. My goodness.
It should be governments backing up the scientists and telling people, 'hay guys, you can't predict these things, they've been working on it for years and you can.' Not saying 'oh, yeah, it's totally the scientists fault, y'know, the people what try save lives through science.'
Oh dear...
I thought the whole issue surrounded the fact that scientists knew - or should have known - that the odds of a major earthquake had dramatically improved owing to small-scale seismic activity (I don't know how it works) and had failed to even consider emergency measures.
Source: http://www.economist.com/node/21529006
It's not quite as black and white as perhaps it seems. I don't think they were attacking the scientists for their predictive powers per se but rather the process and their conduct, which seemed to have misled everyone.
Source: http://www.economist.com/node/21529006
It's not quite as black and white as perhaps it seems. I don't think they were attacking the scientists for their predictive powers per se but rather the process and their conduct, which seemed to have misled everyone.
Very true. I live in Boston and I sure as heck didn't see any panic over the earthquake. Heck, I didn't even notice.Link Kadeshi said:
However, I did see Seattle shut down for three days during a snowfall that might have delayed or closed schools in New York.
And yeah, the OP misled everyone. The geologists are not in trouble for failing to predict an earthquake. The prosecution contends they predicted there wouldn't be one.
It's not clear to me if they said "Nobody can predict earthquakes and they are always possible, but we see no reason to anticipate one" or "Don't expect any earthquakes."
Hmmm. I was actually in that earthquake on a school trip one year. I'm... rather confused on how we are blaming someone for mother nature.
Or maybe the Italian Government knows something and are planning on sacrificing the scientists to prevent another earthquake? They're sure as hell corrupt enough.
Or maybe the Italian Government knows something and are planning on sacrificing the scientists to prevent another earthquake? They're sure as hell corrupt enough.
Earthquakes don't work that way. Small quakes release energy rather than building it up, so it's not like you can look at a series of quakes and say the earth is winding up for a swing. In fact, the more often an area has them, the less likely they are to be major. On the other hand, sometimes a quake can release stress on one segment of fault only to shift it to another segment, which may or may not have accumulated significantly more stress and be close to breaking, and which may or may not have the fault geometry, wall composition, and structural properties that will cause it to break. And when it breaks, a huge area may slip all at once in one event or smaller sections may slip individually, spreading the energy release out over time.Aerowaves said:
Basically, you can't predict an earthquake using other quakes. You can say with a lot of confidence that a lot of little ones will probably follow the huge one that almost just killed you, but that doesn't really help much.
This is the problem. People are making judgements about what the scientists should have known or done without taking the time to find out what the scientists can know or do. Some of those people have lawyers and want someone to blame for their loss, and so here we are.
we freaked out because "what the fuck was that?" "the ground was moving. ground doesn't do that. ground doesn't move here, man, this is the atlantic." i heard a lot of that. personally, being born and raised on the atlantic coast, i'm used to natural disasters coming from the sky, not the groundFbuh said: