While I do agree with you that killing an animal only to throw it away is a waste I must inform you that, that is not what fishing is all about and it is most definetly not what fishing as a sport is all about. While I'm sure that there are people who catch fish only to gut them and then throw them away, these people are very much in the minority. Not many people spend around an hour (sometimes more, sometimes less) waiting to catch a fish and then only kill it and throw it away. Sometimes you have to throw a fish away but if you have to throw a fish away then you have to throw it away alive.TheDeadman said:Yes it is.
But I think it would be ok to kill the fish to survive, than hurting it for fun.
Not hurting it, killing it, than throwing it away.
Some animals do live rather shitty lives on farms, I'm not disputing it. While I've only seen cows and asheep in large open pastures and chickens in a free range environment I have heard of the way animals are treated in large ranchs. Yeah, that does suck but people need to eat and food needs to be made. if it isn't then the bottom line is that people starve.Fire Daemon said:Well humans have started wars, killed each other because of nothing and destroyed the planet (which is not just our planet. We share it wich other creatures, which we have to take care of)TheDeadman said:Do you mind if I ask why? I see this a lot and no one bothers to explain their logic behind it.I just think that animals are better than humans.
Animals would never do that. Sure animals kill to, but they do it too survive. Humanity is killing millions (even more I guess) of other animals, most of them suffer and die in horrible pain. This effects our planet. All those animals we kill, the toxic waste we throw away and the oil we take out of the earth effects our environment. And we don't even care.
If you're going to say, that we have to, no we don't. There are other ways to live and to support our citys with power without killing the earth. But we don't use them, because it's expensive.
And I ask you to watch Earthlngs.
Maybe than you'll understand what we do to the animals.
(I don't know if i'm aloowed to post the link, but...)
http://veg-tv.info/Earthlings
I should be offended but he's really right... I have to move to Canada...nathan-dts said:Your country already has no future; your too overpopulated with imbreding trailer trash who are overpatriotic aswell as the dipshits who campaign for stupid and moronic things.Sennz0r said:I really hope PETA doesn't recruit your average American when it comes to intelligence, or else my worries for that country's future have just increased dramatically.
Don't be silly sir, the PETA recruits the greatest American mind so we can ensure excellence.Sennz0r said:I really hope PETA doesn't recruit your average American when it comes to intelligence, or else my worries for that country's future have just increased dramatically.
*Grabs blocks of C4*smallharmlesskitten said:*Grabs Explosive harpoon*jim_doki said:*grabs rod*
thats it! im going Sea Kittening. who's coming with?
FUCK THAT. Lets go Sea Elephanting.
we could rename sea monkey's sea ants?Supernovajake said:This won't work. You can't have a sea kitten bigger than a sea monkey.
I'm on my way.jim_doki said:*grabs rod*
thats it! im going Sea Kittening. who's coming with?
HAhAHHAHahaHAhAaahAAAA!!!! Oh gods, that made me laugh so hard!smallharmlesskitten said:"Oh yeah bra...We totally did it furry-pal style last night"Excelcior said:I think we'd better hide PETA from the aliens. If I were to fly to some distant planet, and saw this kind of pure, raw stupidity, I'd blow up the planet...
No, wait, the galaxy...
Seriously, how do they come up with these things? What's next, calling rats 'bald-tailed mice', because 'rat' sounds so negative? Calling sparrows 'mini-hawks', because sparrow makes you think of an unwashed pirate? While we're at it, lets call dogs 'furry pals', because we wouldn't want anyone to think about doggy-style, now would we?
I'm coming too.sirdanrhodes said:I'm on my way.jim_doki said:*grabs rod*
thats it! im going Sea Kittening. who's coming with?
TheDeadman said:Fire Daemon said:Yes it is.TheDeadman said:Killing an animal because it has felt some pain is a stupid thing to think.
But I think it would be ok to kill the fish to survive, than hurting it for fun.
Not hurting it, killing it, than throwing it away.
I sort of found the points you made valid...until you said 'Animals would never do that.'Fire Daemon said:Well humans have started wars, killed each other because of nothing and destroyed the planet (which is not just our planet. We share it wich other creatures, which we have to take care of)TheDeadman said:Do you mind if I ask why? I see this a lot and no one bothers to explain their logic behind it.I just think that animals are better than humans.
Animals would never do that. Sure animals kill to, but they do it too survive. Humanity is killing millions (even more I guess) of other animals, most of them suffer and die in horrible pain. This effects our planet. All those animals we kill, the toxic waste we throw away and the oil we take out of the earth effects our environment. And we don't even care.
If you're going to say, that we have to, no we don't. There are other ways to live and to support our citys with power without killing the earth. But we don't use them, because it's expensive.
And I ask you to watch Earthlngs.
Maybe than you'll understand what we do to the animals.
(I don't know if i'm aloowed to post the link, but...)
http://veg-tv.info/Earthlings
Sorry, I'm not trying to insult you in any way here, or troll you or whatnot, but the fact of the matter is that they would. We have identical 'programming' in a lot of ways with animals; we strive to make life easier, more survivable, and most of all just downright easier. If a cheetah learned to set traps out of sticks and stones to catch bunnies it would. It wouldn't give a toss if it ended up crushing an unappetizing poisonous creature or anything, that would just be a whoopsie.
No, animals would be just as likely to fuck with things as we are, we're just doing what animals do but doing it better. I love animals, and I find myself weirdly desensitised to human suffering and deaths through the media, video-games, whatever. If I saw a guy go 'round murdering people in an action film (see: any) I wouldn't care. If he turned around and lightly slapped a puppy I'd probably lunge at the screen. This doesn't mean animals are the more 'moral' though; we are programmed to look after our species and not care about others.
A lion will kill a cheetah if it sees it; it won't eat it however. It just kills them to make it easier to catch food, it removes the competition and therefore increases the likelihood of its own species surviving. The cheetah world may have lost a pregnant mother laden with three cubs or whatever.
No, I love animals. However, we want to see ourselves as the evil ones.
Sorry to go very much off-topic there, but I just fancied being opinionated for a moment, sorry if this came across as smug, condescending, or anything else. It was merely used for discussion.