Seattle "Superhero" Arrested For Pepper Spray Assault

[moviedork]

I go to a college not toooo far from Seattle so when i saw the article on the front page about Seattle's super Hero I laughed an went "Really? When did we get one of those?"

From what I saw it's really hard to actually tell what occurred... though it was pretty funny seeing that woman chasing him.

How could someone from Seattle not know about Phoenix Jones?

 

[Mrsoupcup]

So that he could arrive at the scene thirty minutes later? I saw him doing more than the cops normally do. Not saying that all cops are bad, but there are those that abuse their position or just don't care. At least he is doing something about it.

If by doing something you mean putting himself and those around him in danger, and living out a juvenile man-child fantasy.

You can't even see a fight in the video, just a shaky cam and a few people being maced.
This guy is an idiot, and if it wasn't charges it would be a funeral.

The Police while flawed, are far more functional than a grown man in Halloween costume.

 

[OrokuSaki]

Small question but one that irks me nonetheless. Why did they call him a superhero? In comics superheros have super powers, without them they're just heroes. Except the Punisher, they call him a nutcase. But isn't he just a "hero" if he's a moron in a costume? I say he isn't super until AFTER a lab accident gives him super-powers.

 

[Caverat]

1. No, because the woman wasn't carrying it with the express intention of looking for people to use it on. If someone attacked her and she had to use it, she would be using it in self defence. If she purposely went looking for people to use it on, she would be committing assault. The key is in people taking "reasonable action". The pepper spray is reasonable self defence if you are attacked and can't get away or rely on the police to get there in time. Looking for and running into fights to use the pepper spray isn't.
2. Cops perform that duty in an official capacity, which makes them accountable (don't laugh), impartial and trained for the task. Trying to do their job is as advisable as attempting to perform surgery in the place of doctors. I'm surprised no one got seriously hurt, with all the blinded people wandering around on the roads.
3. As far as I can tell, he had the pepper spray out almost immediately, and it is hard to tell what he did to seperate the fight in the first place. It seems that the ladies were angry at him for using the pepper spray in the first place.

It's like how people who do neighbourhood-watch patrols are looking for trouble like this Pheonix guy, and should be charged if they carry any kind of protective equipment what-so-ever beyond a cellphone and a flashlight(provided its not a 4 D cell mag light, as those make good clubs)

 

[maninahat]

1. No, because the woman wasn't carrying it with the express intention of looking for people to use it on. If someone attacked her and she had to use it, she would be using it in self defence. If she purposely went looking for people to use it on, she would be committing assault. The key is in people taking "reasonable action". The pepper spray is reasonable self defence if you are attacked and can't get away or rely on the police to get there in time. Looking for and running into fights to use the pepper spray isn't.
2. Cops perform that duty in an official capacity, which makes them accountable (don't laugh), impartial and trained for the task. Trying to do their job is as advisable as attempting to perform surgery in the place of doctors. I'm surprised no one got seriously hurt, with all the blinded people wandering around on the roads.
3. As far as I can tell, he had the pepper spray out almost immediately, and it is hard to tell what he did to seperate the fight in the first place. It seems that the ladies were angry at him for using the pepper spray in the first place.

It's like how people who do neighbourhood-watch patrols are looking for trouble like this Pheonix guy, and should be charged if they carry any kind of protective equipment what-so-ever beyond a cellphone and a flashlight(provided its not a 4 D cell mag light, as those make good clubs)

Nope: Neighbourhood watch organisations specifically tell their members to not go intervening in crimes. They are mostly supposed to serve as a form of surveillance, with members being expected to be vigilant against crimes, and to call the police on the first signs of trouble. They are not supposed to "patrol" the streets. Neighbourhood watches have the blessing of community police, rather than freelance super heroes, who are regularly told to cease and desist.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Why do you believe armed violence is a good thing then? I am against armed violence, because people get hurt or even killed. That's why any coward carrying or using a weapon should be prosecuted.

The flawed US justice system which arbitrarily allows and punishes for violence is irrelevant to this discussion. But even under that system, Jones did walk into that, sought the confrontation, and used a weapon when he got the confrontation he was looking for. Jones was the agressor who conciously created a situation where he'd be attacked.

I'm pretty sure the US Justice system is pretty relevant in this discussion seeing as how he was arrested for breaking the law allegedly. The US Justice system must be flawed if no one was arrested for all the other offenses committed in the video (hit and run, driving while intoxicated,assault). I'm not even going to argue about you thinking Jones was the attacker in this because it's simply not a fact.

I'm not saying it's smart, it's even unlikely you're walking out of such a confrontation unscathed. Group fights are scary. The worst I've been in in a 4 vs 1, and that was rough, even though I won.
What I am saying is, that what I described, is the best way of not getting hurt when attacked by so many attackers.

Which is a completely different situation than this. Kicking groins and punching jaws to defend against a group is not the same as running in to stop a fight. If Phoenix Jones just ran into the fight and started punching jaws, that would constitute assault from out of nowhere. He had a non lethal self defence weapon to keep people off of him. Your talking about attacking people before they attack you. Completely different.

No, he had it out because he is a coward, who can't deal with the consequences of his own actions, and thus assaults other people. They were perfectly right to attack him after that. I'd have had at him the moment he showed that can too. If people pull out a weapon, all limitations are off, and you either fuck him up, or he does it to you.

If that crowd had beaten Jones into the hospital, they would have been perfectly justified. They were defending themselves against someone showing off a weapon with the intention of using it against them.

So you call him a coward for going into a group of almost 10 people fighting with protection, then say that its perfectly okay for him to have been hospitalized for doing so? God, that's ass backwards. What would you have him do, go in with nothing? The cops took nearly 15 minutes after FIVE 911 calls to the same area were made. That's pathetic. Even is someone has a weapon out you still have to use reasonable force to stop them in the eyes of the law. Putting someone in the hospital over bringing out pepper spray is not reasonable. That's bad logic. So you don't condone a guy breaking up a 10 person brawl and using pepper spray to make he doesn't get hurt, but you'd condone this group of people to beat him to a pulp for doing so? That's asinine. That's a complete reversal of logic.

 

[RvLeshrac]

I'm not even going to argue about you thinking Jones was the attacker in this because it's simply not a fact.

You see that more often with pro-violence and pro-weapons people: so far gone into their own convictions they can't even imagine the existance of other opinions, and they'll refuse to even argue it.

Kind of odd. Getting into a little accidental row when drunk in which nobody is hurt: bad. Conciously looking for a fight all night long and bearing weapons with the intention of committing assault: good.

Which is a completely different situation than this. Kicking groins and punching jaws to defend against a group is not the same as running in to stop a fight.

Why is it not? In this case the guy being assaulted by Jones and the others was defending himself against multiple attackers, one of which was armed. Obviously Jones' victim would've had any right to go apeshit on him.

So you call him a coward for going into a group of almost 10 people fighting with protection

I call him a coward and a criminal for carrying weapons, looking around for a fight, and then running away like a little ***** when a woman tries to slap him, and using a weapon against the first guy his own size he encounters.

The 'fight' you claim he broke up never existed. Jones is the only who escalated the situation into a fight in the first place.

Even is someone has a weapon out you still have to use reasonable force to stop them in the eyes of the law. Putting someone in the hospital over bringing out pepper spray is not reasonable.

Any means besides of using weapons you brought along, is reasonable in a situation where you're dealing with an armed attacker. You have only a few seconds before they use that pepperspray, render you helpless, and you die.

So by all means put his head through a wall, go for his eyes, knee him in the balls several times. If Jones didn't want that done to him, maybe he shouldnt have been looking for a fight, and bringing weapons to that fight.

He broke the fight up, told them to stop trying to assault him, then pepper sprayed them after *several minutes* of repeatedly telling them to stop trying to assault him, with repeated warnings that he was going to defend himself.

He broke up the fight between two groups of people outside the club. One group left. The other group assaulted them, attempted to run them over with vehicles, and threw rocks at them.

You'd rather the fight end up with the *clearly* violent group murdering some of the people in the other group. Phoenix would rather the fight end without anyone being severely injured. And that's why you're a miserable excuse for a human being, while he's an RLSH.

 

[duchaked]

don't see what he did wrong outside of fashion sense and sane mentality... I mean breaking up a fight okay but...

ah true woulda been cooler if he did use some roundhouse kicks and whatnot

 

[Reishadowen]

Well i guess, by the sequence of hate that our dear escapists are posting, no one likes the "Hero".

Honestly... he stopped the fight and the pepper spray was in order considering himself was attacked... Jail time and 5k fine is kinda harsh considering all things...

And yes he is kinda crazy and idiot to have hopes of being a hero, but you people forgot the most important thing... He hopes to be a hero, he doesn't care he gets injured or hurt, and honestly he does more then lots of big talkers say they would do. Hell... in where peopel say they would do this, he acctually does it.

Still Seattle crimes, appear more to be drunk people and deuchebaggery then anything else... so do not know what kind of crime there is in that place...

Kind of sad. Someone who steps up to do the right thing, defend the innocent, and...gets assaulted by the innocent. Man, maybe this IS the Marvel universe after-all, where citizen's turn on their heroes at the drop of a hat...

More seriously, this video is evidence of why superheros don't work in real life. People are f*cking crazy, and too prone to misunderstandings. Some guy tries to step in and do the right thing, he gets beat up for it. I gotta say, his costume is bad-ass, and let's face it: actually getting up the courage to do something like this is more than 95% of people could do, even without previous confrontations with the police. Though to be fair, I hope he does keeps his head down in the future, he's doesn't seem to be making enough of a positive impact yet to justify being thrown in jail. Then who will be left?

 

[TokenRupee]

I'm not even going to argue about you thinking Jones was the attacker in this because it's simply not a fact.

You see that more often with pro-violence and pro-weapons people: so far gone into their own convictions they can't even imagine the existance of other opinions, and they'll refuse to even argue it.

Kind of odd. Getting into a little accidental row when drunk in which nobody is hurt: bad. Conciously looking for a fight all night long and bearing weapons with the intention of committing assault: good.

Which is a completely different situation than this. Kicking groins and punching jaws to defend against a group is not the same as running in to stop a fight.

Why is it not? In this case the guy being assaulted by Jones and the others was defending himself against multiple attackers, one of which was armed. Obviously Jones' victim would've had any right to go apeshit on him.

So you call him a coward for going into a group of almost 10 people fighting with protection

I call him a coward and a criminal for carrying weapons, looking around for a fight, and then running away like a little ***** when a woman tries to slap him, and using a weapon against the first guy his own size he encounters.

The 'fight' you claim he broke up never existed. Jones is the only who escalated the situation into a fight in the first place.

Even is someone has a weapon out you still have to use reasonable force to stop them in the eyes of the law. Putting someone in the hospital over bringing out pepper spray is not reasonable.

Any means besides of using weapons you brought along, is reasonable in a situation where you're dealing with an armed attacker. You have only a few seconds before they use that pepperspray, render you helpless, and you die.

So by all means put his head through a wall, go for his eyes, knee him in the balls several times. If Jones didn't want that done to him, maybe he shouldnt have been looking for a fight, and bringing weapons to that fight.

He broke the fight up, told them to stop trying to assault him, then pepper sprayed them after *several minutes* of repeatedly telling them to stop trying to assault him, with repeated warnings that he was going to defend himself.

He broke up the fight between two groups of people outside the club. One group left. The other group assaulted them, attempted to run them over with vehicles, and threw rocks at them.

You'd rather the fight end up with the *clearly* violent group murdering some of the people in the other group. Phoenix would rather the fight end without anyone being severely injured. And that's why you're a miserable excuse for a human being, while he's an RLSH.

Gotta say. These two are making a lot more sense than Blahblahb. The guy is a hero, plain and simple.

 

[lokiduck]

I go to a college not toooo far from Seattle so when i saw the article on the front page about Seattle's super Hero I laughed an went "Really? When did we get one of those?"

From what I saw it's really hard to actually tell what occurred... though it was pretty funny seeing that woman chasing him.

How could someone from Seattle not know about Phoenix Jones?

College much? Not really around a news channel or even newspapers.

 

[moviedork]

I go to a college not toooo far from Seattle so when i saw the article on the front page about Seattle's super Hero I laughed an went "Really? When did we get one of those?"

From what I saw it's really hard to actually tell what occurred... though it was pretty funny seeing that woman chasing him.

How could someone from Seattle not know about Phoenix Jones?

College much? Not really around a news channel or even newspapers.

Phoenix Jones has been patrolling Seattle for over a year. He made an appearance at Emerald City Comic Con.

 

[lokiduck]

I go to a college not toooo far from Seattle so when i saw the article on the front page about Seattle's super Hero I laughed an went "Really? When did we get one of those?"

From what I saw it's really hard to actually tell what occurred... though it was pretty funny seeing that woman chasing him.

How could someone from Seattle not know about Phoenix Jones?

College much? Not really around a news channel or even newspapers.

Phoenix Jones has been patrolling Seattle for over a year. He made an appearance at Emerald City Comic Con.

Still didn't know

 

[moviedork]

I go to a college not toooo far from Seattle so when i saw the article on the front page about Seattle's super Hero I laughed an went "Really? When did we get one of those?"

From what I saw it's really hard to actually tell what occurred... though it was pretty funny seeing that woman chasing him.

How could someone from Seattle not know about Phoenix Jones?

College much? Not really around a news channel or even newspapers.

Phoenix Jones has been patrolling Seattle for over a year. He made an appearance at Emerald City Comic Con.

Still didn't know

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