Seattle "Superhero" Arrested For Pepper Spray Assault

[Vault101]

I do respect his intentions and the fact he actually DOES somthing...misguided as it may be

its interesting to see that mabye the Idea of a viglante simply doesnt work in the real world :/

 

[HalfTangible]

Does shitting on a cop car*, calling for the downfall of your entire economic system and generally making an ass of yourself count as 'innocence' now?

You heard it second hand becomes its nonsense, and one person shitting on a car does not give cops the right to spray multiple people. You subdue said person and remove them from the scene, not assault a group of corralled women.

As for the rest? What messed up country/fantasy land has your understanding of the systems of law come from? They're innocent, its called freedom of expression, opinion, and speech. Whether they be idiotic or otherwise they are free to say what they want. The oppression of ideas is what leads to totalitarian states.

As for the downfall of this country's economic system... someone needs to look into Keynesian economics and see why the modern era is a case study of its failure as a good economic model (the entire fiat system is crap on a stick used to swindle people out of their property with fake, worthless toilet paper... as Helicopter Ben has gone to great lengths to prove). Same with capitalism, communism, fascism, and any other -ism you can think of. No system is perfect, all systems stagnate and fall to corruption the longer they stand, and its often time beneficial to start fresh.

So instead of calling for a smaller government and fewer restrictions on people, freedoms and businesses, we should scrap the entire system for a system that has never worked? Listen to them: They're protesting capitalism, not keynesian economics (which I agree is an utter failure of a system)

Your wild insults are almost entirely irrelevant, as I was not referring to law (also they're insults, but that's less important)

In America, you're allowed to protest but you need to do it in a responsible manner. What, precisely, are they protesting? What are they picketing? A street. Wall Street, sure, but it's still a street. This is not a protest, this is a bunch of morons sitting themselves down and pretending to protest an entire economic system somewhere where it can't be changed. If they really gave a damn about changing the economic system they'd picket congress.

Further, while the police have corralled and taken away SOME of these people, the protests are still going. So this isn't suppression of ideas.

 

[Venats]

So instead of calling for a smaller government and fewer restrictions on people, freedoms and businesses, we should scrap the entire system for a system that has never worked? Listen to them: They're protesting capitalism, not keynesian economics (which I agree is an utter failure of a system)

For a system that has never worked? You mean, like every system ever employed in history for the first time? Like capitalism? Like the US system of government? Like any concept ever? I'm not sure what you are aiming to say as I never recommended a system but more that the current system is broken, and if you are saying that replacing a system with a system that has never worked (because it has never been tried) is a 'bad idea'... then we may as well close the chapter on human history.

The current capitalist model is some strange child of Keynesian and Crony Capitalism Economics, you'd more or less have to scrap the whole economic model, at the very least. I'm not saying scrap the government model but it too is pretty much corrupted to its core. What action people take will write history.

Your wild insults are almost entirely irrelevant, as I was not referring to law (also they're insults, but that's less important)

In America, you're allowed to protest but you need to do it in a responsible manner. What, precisely, are they protesting? What are they picketing? A street. Wall Street, sure, but it's still a street. This is not a protest, this is a bunch of morons sitting themselves down and pretending to protest an entire economic system somewhere where it can't be changed. If they really gave a damn about changing the economic system they'd picket congress.

Further, while the police have corralled and taken away SOME of these people, the protests are still going. So this isn't suppression of ideas.

You have a strange definition of an insult as by what you've said, I could spin it back and say that you insulted the protesters by generalizing and largely demonizing a group (that in many ways respects and in others supports the Libertarian views you espoused before) by the actions of the few.

To say that they are not protesting anything is only a sign of a lack of understanding, just by glancing at images you can see what they are protesting: the war(s), the identity that is Wall and K street, lobbying, on some ends oppressive government and on others oppressive rich (at this point, aren't they more or less the same?), and on and on the list goes; heck they have a website with a whole chart of what they are against. And to say that they should be picketing congress (which off-shoots of said Occupy Everywhere group are doing) is to miss the fact that many of the people still work, still have obligations to maintain their lives, and cannot travel four hours a day or more to do both. It is only common sense that they start somewhere that symbolizes said corruption and problems and is nearby, and when it grows it will naturally reach places like congress et all.

No suppression? Like: trying to scare people off with shows of violence (whether it be against a few or many), trying to evict them from their camps? These are all tactics of suppression. Just following the news, I'd wonder if America hadn't completely devolved into a police state by what I see.

 

[HalfTangible]

So instead of calling for a smaller government and fewer restrictions on people, freedoms and businesses, we should scrap the entire system for a system that has never worked? Listen to them: They're protesting capitalism, not keynesian economics (which I agree is an utter failure of a system)

For a system that has never worked? You mean, like every system ever employed in history for the first time? Like capitalism? Like the US system of government? Like any concept ever? I'm not sure what you are aiming to say as I never recommended a system but more that the current system is broken, and if you are saying that replacing a system with a system that has never worked (because it has never been tried) is a 'bad idea'... then we may as well close the chapter on human history.

The current capitalist model is some strange child of Keynesian and Crony Capitalism Economics, you'd more or less have to scrap the whole economic model, at the very least. I'm not saying scrap the government model but it too is pretty much corrupted to its core. What action people take will write history.

Your wild insults are almost entirely irrelevant, as I was not referring to law (also they're insults, but that's less important)

In America, you're allowed to protest but you need to do it in a responsible manner. What, precisely, are they protesting? What are they picketing? A street. Wall Street, sure, but it's still a street. This is not a protest, this is a bunch of morons sitting themselves down and pretending to protest an entire economic system somewhere where it can't be changed. If they really gave a damn about changing the economic system they'd picket congress.

Further, while the police have corralled and taken away SOME of these people, the protests are still going. So this isn't suppression of ideas.

You have a strange definition of an insult as by what you've said, I could spin it back and say that you insulted the protesters by generalizing and largely demonizing a group (that in many ways respects and in others supports the Libertarian views you espoused before) by the actions of the few.

To say that they are not protesting anything is only a sign of a lack of understanding, just by glancing at images you can see what they are protesting: the war(s), the identity that is Wall and K street, lobbying, on some ends oppressive government and on others oppressive rich (at this point, aren't they more or less the same?), and on and on the list goes; heck they have a website with a whole chart of what they are against. And to say that they should be picketing congress (which off-shoots of said Occupy Everywhere group are doing) is to miss the fact that many of the people still work, still have obligations to maintain their lives, and cannot travel four hours a day or more to do both. It is only common sense that they start somewhere that symbolizes said corruption and problems and is nearby, and when it grows it will naturally reach places like congress et all.

They are protesting, basically, that rich people have more power than poor people? Is that what you're saying? Because that's what it sounds like.

Do you honestly believe wall street corruption is the cause for all the current economic mess we're in? This originally started with a crisis in the housing market (actually it started in the clinton years, but explaining that would take too long) caused by the government essentially forcing banks to give out loans to people that couldn't pay them back. When these loans began to fail, naturally, the housing market failed, and the banks failed, and... well, dominoes.

Then the government started spending even larger amounts of money than Bush, printing more money even though the GDP hadn't risen to pay for it.

Call me crazy, but when the government forces the market to do something, and that something fails, then fails to fix it by spending trillions... it's the GOVERNMENT'S fault. So yeah, they should still be picketing congress.

Ok, so if they're four hours from Congress (which I doubt is true for all of these protestors, if there are offshots around the country) then why not picket the center of government there in New York? They're doing it in manhattan.

No suppression? Like: trying to scare people off with shows of violence (whether it be against a few or many), trying to evict them from their camps? These are all tactics of suppression. Just following the news, I'd wonder if America hadn't completely devolved into a police state by what I see.

Like i said, the protests continue and only certain groups are being taken away from the sight of the protests. So nothing is being suppressed. The fact we've heard about down here in Texas is further evidence to me.

... I find it strange that I'm defending government action =/ I thought i was a libertarian conservative... and you called me a libertarian... and i distinctly remember making the argument texas should secede at least twice (not in this thread, obviously. But some people really are that stupid... no offense.) ... huh.

EDIT: Oh, and communism is NOT a 'new system'. Relatively, yes, but you make it sound like it's never been tried before, when it HAS, by several countries.

 

[Preacher zer0]

The primary goal of superheroes is to save lives.
The primary goal of Mr. Jones is fame and a facade of being "badass".

Anyway his secret identity has been exposed, game over.

 

[jrizzle90]

Not sure where i stand, but your comment is freaking hilarious

 

[Venats]

They are protesting, basically, that rich people have more power than poor people? Is that what you're saying? Because that's what it sounds like.

Do you honestly believe wall street corruption is the cause for all the current economic mess we're in? This originally started with a crisis in the housing market (actually it started in the clinton years, but explaining that would take too long) caused by the government essentially forcing banks to give out loans to people that couldn't pay them back. When these loans began to fail, naturally, the housing market failed, and the banks failed, and... well, dominoes.

Some are protesting against the rich, and its understandable because by the very nature of Capitalism it sows its own destruction at the hands of the rich. Its an ideal of constantly accruing capital, usually idealized with the contest between companies competing for a profit, but in reality it breaks as the rich begin to monopolize. This is, of course, made even quicker by government 'sanctions' or 'regulations' which are used simply to exploit and cut out competition by the people with power/money.

I am, personally, of the opinion that capitalism and powerful government run hand in hand to their own doom and, at the same time, that the former will almost always bring about the latter no matter its initiation. Be it free market or guided by the invisible hand, its doomed either way... like every institution given enough time.

As for Wall Street and the crisis, much of the mess ties back to Greenspan and his blatant corruption and hand waving economics. They knew the housing crisis would bubble up, they did nothing about it. Most of todays woes are caused by the Fed but the hands in the Fed's pockets go through much of the top of Wall Street, most high offices, and easily into every cabinet and presidential member.

Then the government started spending even larger amounts of money than Bush, printing more money even though the GDP hadn't risen to pay for it.

Call me crazy, but when the government forces the market to do something, and that something fails, then fails to fix it by spending trillions... it's the GOVERNMENT'S fault. So yeah, they should still be picketing congress.

The banks sowed their own failure by betting against debt with debt on debt, trading debt, and just playing with money that didn't exist... but that's another matter entirely. They should have been left to fail because by any 'normal' capitalistic view "Too Big to Fail" means "Too Big to Exist".

Ok, so if they're four hours from Congress (which I doubt is true for all of these protestors, if there are offshots around the country) then why not picket the center of government there in New York? They're doing it in manhattan.

They are picketing DC, they are picketing Bloomberg. Its not localized to WS, the media is localizing it to WS with disinformation and a ignore-till-it-goes-away campaign.

Like i said, the protests continue and only certain groups are being taken away from the sight of the protests. So nothing is being suppressed. The fact we've heard about down here in Texas is further evidence to me.

... I find it strange that I'm defending government action =/ I thought i was a libertarian conservative... and you called me a libertarian... and i distinctly remember making the argument texas should secede at least twice (not in this thread, obviously. But some people really are that stupid... no offense.) ... huh.

The idea was that they are trying to stop all protests, the fact that remains is a sign that people aren't going to take a broken government/system/economy laying down anymore... what their ultimate ideas are, well that's up in the air.

EDIT: Oh, and communism is NOT a 'new system'. Relatively, yes, but you make it sound like it's never been tried before, when it HAS, by several countries.

Wait, communism? When did I even mention that as an idea to build on? I mentioned it as another system that failed... I'm confused.

Edit: As for the protesters, I can't say I can't agree with at least some of what they say: Stop the wars? Yes please.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Seattle cops are a fucking joke around here, and this one just had a vendetta against Jones. There is no excuse for this kind of abuse of legal power. He was the only one arrested in that fray by they way. Just watch 30 seconds of that video and you can see all the women on an assault rampage, yet they don't get any punishment.

I don't... I really doubt that he had a "vendetta" against Jones. That would have to make him some sort of Super Villain.

And if that's the case, I'm about to quit life because I wouldn't be able to take it seriously anymore.

 

[Signa]

Seattle cops are a fucking joke around here, and this one just had a vendetta against Jones. There is no excuse for this kind of abuse of legal power. He was the only one arrested in that fray by they way. Just watch 30 seconds of that video and you can see all the women on an assault rampage, yet they don't get any punishment.

I don't... I really doubt that he had a "vendetta" against Jones. That would have to make him some sort of Super Villain.

And if that's the case, I'm about to quit life because I wouldn't be able to take it seriously anymore.

1) Women attack everyone on sight with their shoes
2) Some one hits another person with their car
3) Man charges Phoenix Jones with fists flailing (Gets pepper sprayed by Jones)
4) SUVs charge at Jones 'n' crew
5) Cops arrest Jones.

I want to quit life too after seeing the full video. Basically, the police abused their power to unmask Jones, because they were sick of him calling them all the time and making them look like idiots because he was actually doing things to help the city.

It's just like what someone else said: If the cops were actually doing their job, then Jones wouldn't find anything to keep him busy.

 

[ZeppMan217]

I wonder if it's Batman or The Avengers promo. Hmm...

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Seattle cops are a fucking joke around here, and this one just had a vendetta against Jones. There is no excuse for this kind of abuse of legal power. He was the only one arrested in that fray by they way. Just watch 30 seconds of that video and you can see all the women on an assault rampage, yet they don't get any punishment.

I don't... I really doubt that he had a "vendetta" against Jones. That would have to make him some sort of Super Villain.

And if that's the case, I'm about to quit life because I wouldn't be able to take it seriously anymore.

1) Women attack everyone on sight with their shoes
2) Some one hits another person with their car
3) Man charges Phoenix Jones with fists flailing (Gets pepper sprayed by Jones)
4) SUVs charge at Jones 'n' crew
5) Cops arrest Jones.

I want to quit life too after seeing the full video. Basically, the police abused their power to unmask Jones, because they were sick of him calling them all the time and making them look like idiots because he was actually doing things to help the city.

It's just like what someone else said: If the cops were actually doing their job, then Jones wouldn't find anything to keep him busy.

You're assuming that they've actually had the case and found him guilty. That somehow this police officer was his Judge, Jury, and his executioner (though I'm sensing a sweet Super villain name in there somewhere). This case hasn't even began yet.

Where does it say these people weren't convicted? He went into a fight he was not part of and maced about 5 different people. If I'm a police officer, I'm arresting the guy who actually has a weapon and is dressed up in Body armor and wearing a mask.

The police officer didn't see the video. The person filming was told to go stand far away.

People like you need to calm the fuck down before you start screaming "POLICE BRUTALITY! LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE HE COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN!"

It's fucking ridiculous how you assume that these police officers need to act like superman all by themselves and just know who's at fault.

 

[Impluse_101]

He's the hero Seattle deserves, not the one it needs right now. He's a loud guardian, a watchful moron, a dark idiot.

Reason why they took him in:

They never asked for a hero.

 

[HalfTangible]

They are protesting, basically, that rich people have more power than poor people? Is that what you're saying? Because that's what it sounds like.

Do you honestly believe wall street corruption is the cause for all the current economic mess we're in? This originally started with a crisis in the housing market (actually it started in the clinton years, but explaining that would take too long) caused by the government essentially forcing banks to give out loans to people that couldn't pay them back. When these loans began to fail, naturally, the housing market failed, and the banks failed, and... well, dominoes.

Some are protesting against the rich, and its understandable because by the very nature of Capitalism it sows its own destruction at the hands of the rich. Its an ideal of constantly accruing capital, usually idealized with the contest between companies competing for a profit, but in reality it breaks as the rich begin to monopolize. This is, of course, made even quicker by government 'sanctions' or 'regulations' which are used simply to exploit and cut out competition by the people with power/money.

I am, personally, of the opinion that capitalism and powerful government run hand in hand to their own doom and, at the same time, that the former will almost always bring about the latter no matter its initiation. Be it free market or guided by the invisible hand, its doomed either way... like every institution given enough time.

As for Wall Street and the crisis, much of the mess ties back to Greenspan and his blatant corruption and hand waving economics. They knew the housing crisis would bubble up, they did nothing about it. Most of todays woes are caused by the Fed but the hands in the Fed's pockets go through much of the top of Wall Street, most high offices, and easily into every cabinet and presidential member.

Then the government started spending even larger amounts of money than Bush, printing more money even though the GDP hadn't risen to pay for it.

Call me crazy, but when the government forces the market to do something, and that something fails, then fails to fix it by spending trillions... it's the GOVERNMENT'S fault. So yeah, they should still be picketing congress.

The banks sowed their own failure by betting against debt with debt on debt, trading debt, and just playing with money that didn't exist... but that's another matter entirely. They should have been left to fail because by any 'normal' capitalistic view "Too Big to Fail" means "Too Big to Exist".

Ok, so if they're four hours from Congress (which I doubt is true for all of these protestors, if there are offshots around the country) then why not picket the center of government there in New York? They're doing it in manhattan.

They are picketing DC, they are picketing Bloomberg. Its not localized to WS, the media is localizing it to WS with disinformation and a ignore-till-it-goes-away campaign.

Like i said, the protests continue and only certain groups are being taken away from the sight of the protests. So nothing is being suppressed. The fact we've heard about down here in Texas is further evidence to me.

... I find it strange that I'm defending government action =/ I thought i was a libertarian conservative... and you called me a libertarian... and i distinctly remember making the argument texas should secede at least twice (not in this thread, obviously. But some people really are that stupid... no offense.) ... huh.

The idea was that they are trying to stop all protests, the fact that remains is a sign that people aren't going to take a broken government/system/economy laying down anymore... what their ultimate ideas are, well that's up in the air.

EDIT: Oh, and communism is NOT a 'new system'. Relatively, yes, but you make it sound like it's never been tried before, when it HAS, by several countries.

Wait, communism? When did I even mention that as an idea to build on? I mentioned it as another system that failed... I'm confused.

Edit: As for the protesters, I can't say I can't agree with at least some of what they say: Stop the wars? Yes please.

I am of the opinion that capitalism is fine, and the government should stay out of it unless unnatural monopolies form (natural monopolies being things that would just be infeasible/pointless to make competition for, such as power lines). And the more they do interfere, the worse off we get.

I didn't actually want to get in to the government bailouts, but yeah, Government shouldn't have done bailouts, because those who needed it to succeed would soon fail anyway. But the government still forced the bank to take on those debts in the first place.

Ok, fine. Got me there.

No, they're not. They're simply pulling out disruptive members of the protest. That's been done for as long as there have been protests. Further, the protests themselves strike me as extremely whiney and spoiled (no offense to those who agree with it) It's not like it's impossible to succeed in America. It's not always jolly and lolli, but it's possible, especially if you play it smart. Save your money, avoid debt whenever possible, get educated...

You didn't say communism directly. But there's only two ways to distribute power in the market: put it in government's hands, or the citizen's. The former is communism, the latter is capitalism. I'm oversimplifying it, but you get the basic idea, right? Gotta be one or the other, simply by definition of the two. (socialism is capitalism with lots of welfare)

Or we could go for total anarchy - no power in anyone's hands. But that's a terrible idea for obvious reasons.

Too late for that. America's got it's hands too deep everywhere to pull out now, we have to wait until at least all our current conflicts are played out.

 

[Signa]

It's fucking ridiculous how you assume that these police officers need to act like superman all by themselves and just know who's at fault.

And it's fucking ridiculous that you didn't even watch the video and feel the need to comment definitively on it. If you had watched the video, you'd know none of what you just said applies to what happened. I'm done with this conversation. Go ahead and think the Seattle police are there to protect you, because they are only going to find ways to backstab you if you ever need them.

 

[Azmael Silverlance]

Fodor is scheduled to appear in court tomorrow, and if convicted faces "up to a year in jail and a $5,000 fine."

IM SORRY ONE YEAR!????
For pepper spraying people...drug dealers get LESS! What the hell is this....and it did look like he went to break up a fight....the justice system is so messed up

 

[JoesshittyOs]

It's fucking ridiculous how you assume that these police officers need to act like superman all by themselves and just know who's at fault.

And it's fucking ridiculous that you didn't even watch the video and feel the need to comment definitively on it. If you had watched the video, you'd know none of what you just said applies to what happened. I'm done with this conversation. Go ahead and think the Seattle police are there to protect you, because they are only going to find ways to backstab you if you ever need them.

Yeah. Way to just back out of the argument once I point of how flawed your view is. I watched the video. 8/10 at best.

So you're honestly trying to tell me when I go to Seattle, there will be a bustle of Police officers waiting to try to betray me like some 70s cartoon villain? That for some reason they are actively searching for ways to do the complete opposite of what their job is?

Oh God, you are just brimming with intelligence, aren't you?

You represent a society that has been completely brainwashed by bad television.

 

[RvLeshrac]

The truth is I think the cops are getting a little sick of his shit and finally decided to take him down a couple of pegs. He's been running around downtown Seattle since 2010 putting himself in situations where he doesn't belong and potentially putting himself in danger of being seriously injured or killed if things got far enough out of hand. The police department have said many times before they'd prefer that he just call 911 and report what he sees instead if injecting himself into the situation and making it worse.

He's lucky he hasn't been been the target of police a lot more often as he dresses like a twat, carries a cattle prod and pepper spray and his two 'sidekicks' dress in street clothes and black ski masks.

The video that is embedded into the clip is from a local camera crew that was following him at the time and is not affiliated with any local news network so there's no telling how much was edited out of that video before it was released to the public.

They called 911.
They called 911 when breaking up the fight.
They called 911 after someone was hit by a car.
They called 911 when they were being assaulted.

The police didn't come the first time they called.
The police didn't come the second time they called.
The police didn't come the third time they called.
The police finally showed up the last time, 15+ minutes after the first call.

The police are saying, essentially, that you need to die before they'll bother showing up.

Well, that, or peacefully protest. They won't actually try and stop someone from killing you, but they'll damn well make sure you don't spend the night in a park.

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It's fucking ridiculous how you assume that these police officers need to act like superman all by themselves and just know who's at fault.

And it's fucking ridiculous that you didn't even watch the video and feel the need to comment definitively on it. If you had watched the video, you'd know none of what you just said applies to what happened. I'm done with this conversation. Go ahead and think the Seattle police are there to protect you, because they are only going to find ways to backstab you if you ever need them.

Yeah. Way to just back out of the argument once I point of how flawed your view is. I watched the video. 8/10 at best.

So you're honestly trying to tell me when I go to Seattle, there will be a bustle of Police officers waiting to try to betray me like some 70s cartoon villain? That for some reason they are actively searching for ways to do the complete opposite of what their job is?

Oh God, you are just brimming with intelligence, aren't you?

You represent a society that has been completely brainwashed by bad television.

My car was broken into yesterday. The cops showed up. They aren't going to actually do anything. There's no investigation. No follow-up.

I've been told by a cop that they don't actually investigate personal property theft now; they only investigate theft if your business was broken into.

So, yeah. The cops don't actually do any of the things they're supposed to be doing. Had they been patrolling here at night, like they're supposed to, perhaps I wouldn't be shelling out a shitload of money to have my car fixed.

 

[Signa]

...but they'll damn well make sure you don't spend the night in a park.

If you're referring to the same story I heard, it was because by allowing the Occupy Wallstreet protesters to camp in the park, they would then have to allow the WBC to camp there too. Ground rules need to be set so that the ones who wish to abuse the system can't. The Mayor actually invited the protesters onto city hall grounds for overnight, and yet that wasn't good enough.

 

[Chaos Inverse]

We always complain that there is no good in people. When you see the video of the man getting his ass kicked, you look around at the bystanders and ask "why the hell aren't they doing something."

Now someone does, and you jump down his throat. Sad.

People justify their own inaction by saying that there is no good in people, but when someone acts, when someone shows that there is good in people, it jeopardizes the justification of the many for their own inaction, inadequacy, and failures.

Its standard ego self-defense.

"Why should I do it if no one else will do it?"
And if someone does it...
"Look at him showing off, what a fool."

This. I mean seriously, I went through most of a page of people insulting the guy for trying to do something good before I saw anyone say something close to "at least he tried" or "he didn't let it just happen". Yeah, it's a crazy idea, but with as much crazy shit happening in the world, at least he is doing crazy shit to try and help people.

 

[RvLeshrac]

...but they'll damn well make sure you don't spend the night in a park.

If you're referring to the same story I heard, it was because by allowing the Occupy Wallstreet protesters to camp in the park, they would then have to allow the WBC to camp there too. Ground rules need to be set so that the ones who wish to abuse the system can't. The Mayor actually invited the protesters onto city hall grounds for overnight, and yet that wasn't good enough.

Yeah, that's pretty much complete bullshit. No locality has ever prevented the WBC from doing anything protest-related. I can't think of anyone intelligent who argues that they don't have a right to do what they do. The First Amendment is sacred, it seems, except when it comes to using public land for the public good.