He broke the fight up, told them to stop trying to assault him, then pepper sprayed them after *several minutes* of repeatedly telling them to stop trying to assault him, with repeated warnings that he was going to defend himself.Blablahb said:You see that more often with pro-violence and pro-weapons people: so far gone into their own convictions they can't even imagine the existance of other opinions, and they'll refuse to even argue it.AzrealMaximillion said:I'm not even going to argue about you thinking Jones was the attacker in this because it's simply not a fact.
Kind of odd. Getting into a little accidental row when drunk in which nobody is hurt: bad. Conciously looking for a fight all night long and bearing weapons with the intention of committing assault: good.
Why is it not? In this case the guy being assaulted by Jones and the others was defending himself against multiple attackers, one of which was armed. Obviously Jones' victim would've had any right to go apeshit on him.AzrealMaximillion said:Which is a completely different situation than this. Kicking groins and punching jaws to defend against a group is not the same as running in to stop a fight.
I call him a coward and a criminal for carrying weapons, looking around for a fight, and then running away like a little ***** when a woman tries to slap him, and using a weapon against the first guy his own size he encounters.AzrealMaximillion said:So you call him a coward for going into a group of almost 10 people fighting with protection
The 'fight' you claim he broke up never existed. Jones is the only who escalated the situation into a fight in the first place.
Any means besides of using weapons you brought along, is reasonable in a situation where you're dealing with an armed attacker. You have only a few seconds before they use that pepperspray, render you helpless, and you die.AzrealMaximillion said:Even is someone has a weapon out you still have to use reasonable force to stop them in the eyes of the law. Putting someone in the hospital over bringing out pepper spray is not reasonable.
So by all means put his head through a wall, go for his eyes, knee him in the balls several times. If Jones didn't want that done to him, maybe he shouldnt have been looking for a fight, and bringing weapons to that fight.
He broke up the fight between two groups of people outside the club. One group left. The other group assaulted them, attempted to run them over with vehicles, and threw rocks at them.
You'd rather the fight end up with the *clearly* violent group murdering some of the people in the other group. Phoenix would rather the fight end without anyone being severely injured. And that's why you're a miserable excuse for a human being, while he's an RLSH.