Security Guard kicks ass and takes name.

[Luftwaffles]

Yet another reminder that the world is still full of barbarians and brainless brutes.

What would you have done?

If you were the security guard in question, trained in your job(guns and all)

I live in a country where security guards aren't trained to murder people and they don't sit around with deadly weapons.

Making the argument that he was just doing his job. But hey.

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

Your link doesn't work anymore, It's switched to a breaking new story and I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

I'm guessing we're all very impressed by a guy for shooting another guy.

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

Yet another reminder that the world is still full of barbarians and brainless brutes.

What would you have done?

If you were the security guard in question, trained in your job(guns and all)

I live in a country where security guards aren't trained to murder people and they don't sit around with deadly weapons.

They must be awful security guards then.

Security guards do a lot of things. They drive armored cars full of countless bills, the life blood of countless corporations, banks, and even governments. They are armed for a reason.

Yet whenever anyone tried to take the guns away, they refused to work. They didn't like the idea of being shot and having the car stolen just so politicians can jack off to the idea that guns somehow no longer exist.

Wow. What a wonderful idea that is. /sarcasm

They wouldn't be shot if you actually had some regulations about supplying the general public with deadly weaponry. You're missing the fact that all of america has fucked itself up by allowing all civilians the right to bear arms. Of course you can't take the guns away from security, because every other ************ is allowed a gun with very few questions asked. Take them away from your entire population as largely as you possibly can and we wouldn't have incidents popping up like this.

You just have to look at the murder rates in countries like england and australia, and y'know, countries that actually have a decent system about firearms, and then any logical person can see that giving hand guns and fucking assault rifles to the general public results in a lot more people dying in stupid instances like this one.

 

[spectrenihlus]

Yet another reminder that the world is still full of barbarians and brainless brutes.

What would you have done?

If you were the security guard in question, trained in your job(guns and all)

I live in a country where security guards aren't trained to murder people and they don't sit around with deadly weapons.

They must be awful security guards then.

Security guards do a lot of things. They drive armored cars full of countless bills, the life blood of countless corporations, banks, and even governments. They are armed for a reason.

Yet whenever anyone tried to take the guns away, they refused to work. They didn't like the idea of being shot and having the car stolen just so politicians can jack off to the idea that guns somehow no longer exist.

Wow. What a wonderful idea that is. /sarcasm

>Checks the crime rate in the U.S.

>Checks the crime rate in Australia.

I think I'll stick to the way we do things.

Guns have absolutely nothing to do with the crime rate, if that were the case Switzerland would be a post apocalyptic dystopia. Hell I recently read an article (can't find it right now) that the gun crime rate in European nations that passed gun laws were always low and these laws did nothing to change the rate up or down.

 

[FamoFunk]

Yeah, can't say I'm impressed with someone shooting others, the silly Brit I am.

 

[Scarim Coral]

Why aren't I surpise that this thread had somewhat became a discussion wheather the guard was right to keep shooting especially when one of the robbers was down amd crawling away?

Anyway I bet he waited all this time for something like that to happen. Ha clearly those robber did NOT see that coming!

 

[chadachada123]

What? Hes being complemented for this? In the video you can clearly see that they turn to run as soon as he pulls the gun, but he still keeps shooting them as they are running. He did react quickly, but he also definitly overreacted here. If they are already running, why whould he shoot them? I would complement him if he stopped shooting as soon as he noticed that they were running, but he keeps shooting even at the guy who is crawling out the door.
Captcha: Lets be serious now

I did not see them running until several shots were already fired. What I saw was the front one taking cover for a moment before running.

The shots were justified.

As far as the "keep shooting" thing, you ALWAYS keep shooting until you are out of danger, when your life is in danger. That's one of the first rules of firearm defense. You always shoot to kill in a shoot-out scenario, and you keep firing until you are out or until the threat is absolutely eliminated.

What we saw was the would-be thieves leave out the door, but that doesn't mean that they wouldn't have just taken cover behind the door. His shots certainly discouraged that idea.

 

[runic knight]

Yet another reminder that the world is still full of barbarians and brainless brutes.

What would you have done?

If you were the security guard in question, trained in your job(guns and all)

I live in a country where security guards aren't trained to murder people and they don't sit around with deadly weapons.

They must be awful security guards then.

Security guards do a lot of things. They drive armored cars full of countless bills, the life blood of countless corporations, banks, and even governments. They are armed for a reason.

Yet whenever anyone tried to take the guns away, they refused to work. They didn't like the idea of being shot and having the car stolen just so politicians can jack off to the idea that guns somehow no longer exist.

Wow. What a wonderful idea that is. /sarcasm

>Checks the crime rate in the U.S.

>Checks the crime rate in Australia.

I think I'll stick to the way we do things.

Oh this is fun! I can compare apples to oranges too. Lets see...

>Looks at death by gun rates for the last century for the US

>Looks at it for europe. Wow, two world wars kinda screwed the numbers.

Hmm, seems we are doing well enough. I mean if you are willing to assume nations with different laws, different standards on what equals "unlawful", different population sizes and different histories of gun rights, as well as use a larger inclusive "crimes rate" rather then a more logical "gun crimes" or "gun murders" statistic to one another then why not compare a large nation that hasn't had a war on its mainland to an entire continent that has seen two huge ones. I mean, who needs details, right?

 

[CpT_x_Killsteal]

This isn't about gun laws -.-

Did he do a fking great job? Yes.

 

[Zeema]

He did his job your not going to just sit there and let a bullet hit. he fired his gun and he did what he archived to make them flee and or injury the suspects he was in the right

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

Yet another reminder that the world is still full of barbarians and brainless brutes.

What would you have done?

If you were the security guard in question, trained in your job(guns and all)

I live in a country where security guards aren't trained to murder people and they don't sit around with deadly weapons.

They must be awful security guards then.

Security guards do a lot of things. They drive armored cars full of countless bills, the life blood of countless corporations, banks, and even governments. They are armed for a reason.

Yet whenever anyone tried to take the guns away, they refused to work. They didn't like the idea of being shot and having the car stolen just so politicians can jack off to the idea that guns somehow no longer exist.

Wow. What a wonderful idea that is. /sarcasm

They wouldn't be shot if you actually had some regulations about supplying the general public with deadly weaponry. You're missing the fact that all of america has fucked itself up by allowing all civilians the right to bear arms. Of course you can't take the guns away from security, because every other ************ is allowed a gun with very few questions asked. Take them away from your entire population as largely as you possibly can and we wouldn't have incidents popping up like this.

You just have to look at the murder rates in countries like england and australia, and y'know, countries that actually have a decent system about firearms, and then any logical person can see that giving hand guns and fucking assault rifles to the general public results in a lot more people dying in stupid instances like this one.

Guns being sold have nothing to do with it anymore.

Its all a drug problem. Its always been.

Americans are number one in practically every single drug consumption. Every. Single. Drug.

And what happens? You get cartels, who in turn prop up American gangs and American organized crime. We left this fester for what? 70, 80 years?

Now they are so powerful they don't even gun stores. In fact, they now have the ability to steal weapons from government armories and just smuggle them in. Gangs are even spreading into the US military. In fact, the FBI is scared shitless that promises of money will corrupt America's military just like Mexico's military was.

Organized crime is getting so lucrative they can actually built sophisticated smuggling tunnels with lights, air conditioning, the works. They are past the point of even being effected by anything sort of military action and complete drug reform anymore.

"Gun being sold to civilians" no longer has any bearing on anything. Its all a drug problem, the access to guns don't have anything to do it. No law will help.

This is what happens when you let a problem fester too long. Of course you would know this if you did actual research.

If you don't know something, take the time to research it.

And you honestly think that the gangs would have gotten so much sway without their weaponry? We don't have this problem anywhere else in the western world because we control who can get their hands on the fucking guns. This little divergence is bullshit, It a takes away from what the original point is, and B) is wrong. Your problems may come from gangs and drugs, but you fail to realise that these people having no armaments would take away a fucking huge amount of their power. Your idiotic constitution that allows all US citizen the right to bear arms is the reason that you are in the shit with gangs now. Nearly every country in the world has some form of organized crime, and most of them are kept under control because the best weapon the even the high ups can get their hands on are pistols. You made it so easy for them. They can import drugs to america and cause all of these problem simply because they can kill people so easily. I swear to god, your blindness to the simple fact that if your mobsters and gang leaders had the access to the weapons that British or australian criminals do, you wouldn't have dug yourself into the hole you're currently in.

If you THINK you know something, be sure you state all of the facts as opposed to leaving out what is staring you in your gung ho gawping face.

 

[wulf3n]

Three armed men burst into an internet cafe with unknown intent and people here have the gall to criticise the security guard doing his job...classy escapist classy.

 

[Stu35]

I'm in the military - we're not allowed to keep shooting when the enemy has dropped his weapon and begun to flee.

So why should some rent-a-cop get to do it?


Just curious...

Three armed men burst into an internet cafe with unknown intent and people here have the gall to criticise the security guard doing his job...classy escapist classy.

Meh...

He did do his job, but one could (and in Europe we probably would) argue that to continue shooting people in back as they run away is stepping over the mark somewhat.

However, there are different cultures at work - in the US, use of lethal force to protect property is allowed, wheras in the UK (and, I think, the rest of Western Europe), protection of human life is the only excuse.

Looking at that video, it would take a very good lawyer to try and prove that there was still a threat to human life after the robbers turned and ran - and no, simply being armed is not a credible threat once someone has begun to flee, there has to be evidence that they are retreating to take up another firing position (which, given the circumstances, is highly unlikely).


I'm not going to judge the Security Guard one way or the other. Simply point out that this is one of those occasions that I reckon the cultural differences between the United States and Europe is going to cause friction in this one - we're not so much for shooting people in the back as they run away.

 

[jklinders]

Not even half a page before some dipshit turns this into a discussion about gun control. Good job internet, good job. We have gun control here in Canada. We also have gun crime. It's not a legal thing, it's a location and cultural thing. Stop bringing up your nation, culture and gun laws in relation to other nations, cultures and gun laws. They cannot be compared and it only makes you look like an ass to try.

OT

When 3 guys with ski masks run into the building you are assigned to protect and you have a sidearm you damn well draw and use it. Nobody rushes into a building in that manner and dress with innocent purpose and even if unarmed can represent a deadly threat if they get into touching distance. The guard did right both in foresight and hindsight.

 

[LetalisK]

Well, it's good to see all the gun control debates bleeding out of the R&P forums. -_-

OT: He should have stopped firing when it became obvious they were fleeing. I don't particularly blame him for continuing to fire though, considering the stress and all.

 

[runic knight]

Yet another reminder that the world is still full of barbarians and brainless brutes.

What would you have done?

If you were the security guard in question, trained in your job(guns and all)

I live in a country where security guards aren't trained to murder people and they don't sit around with deadly weapons.

They must be awful security guards then.

Security guards do a lot of things. They drive armored cars full of countless bills, the life blood of countless corporations, banks, and even governments. They are armed for a reason.

Yet whenever anyone tried to take the guns away, they refused to work. They didn't like the idea of being shot and having the car stolen just so politicians can jack off to the idea that guns somehow no longer exist.

Wow. What a wonderful idea that is. /sarcasm

They wouldn't be shot if you actually had some regulations about supplying the general public with deadly weaponry. You're missing the fact that all of america has fucked itself up by allowing all civilians the right to bear arms. Of course you can't take the guns away from security, because every other ************ is allowed a gun with very few questions asked. Take them away from your entire population as largely as you possibly can and we wouldn't have incidents popping up like this.

You just have to look at the murder rates in countries like england and australia, and y'know, countries that actually have a decent system about firearms, and then any logical person can see that giving hand guns and fucking assault rifles to the general public results in a lot more people dying in stupid instances like this one.

Guns being sold have nothing to do with it anymore.

Its all a drug problem. Its always been.

Americans are number one in practically every single drug consumption. Every. Single. Drug.

And what happens? You get cartels, who in turn prop up American gangs and American organized crime. We left this fester for what? 70, 80 years?

Now they are so powerful they don't even gun stores. In fact, they now have the ability to steal weapons from government armories and just smuggle them in. Gangs are even spreading into the US military. In fact, the FBI is scared shitless that promises of money will corrupt America's military just like Mexico's military was.

Organized crime is getting so lucrative they can actually built sophisticated smuggling tunnels with lights, air conditioning, the works. They are past the point of even being effected by anything sort of military action and complete drug reform anymore.

"Gun being sold to civilians" no longer has any bearing on anything. Its all a drug problem, the access to guns don't have anything to do it. No law will help.

This is what happens when you let a problem fester too long. Of course you would know this if you did actual research.

If you don't know something, take the time to research it.

And you honestly think that the gangs would have gotten so much sway without their weaponry? We don't have this problem anywhere else in the western world because we control who can get their hands on the fucking guns. This little divergence is bullshit, It a takes away from what the original point is, and B) is wrong. Your problems may come from gangs and drugs, but you fail to realise that these people having no armaments would take away a fucking huge amount of their power. Your idiotic constitution that allows all US citizen the right to bear arms is the reason that you are in the shit with gangs now. Nearly every country in the world has some form of organized crime, and most of them are kept under control because the best weapon the even the high ups can get their hands on are pistols. You made it so easy for them. They can import drugs to america and cause all of these problem simply because they can kill people so easily. I swear to god, your blindness to the simple fact that if your mobsters and gang leaders had the access to the weapons that British or australian criminals do, you wouldn't have dug yourself into the hole you're currently in.

If you THINK you know something, be sure you state all of the facts as opposed to leaving out what is staring you in your gung ho gawping face.

You sir, are you an idiot? I know I know, I like to give fair posts and try to be civil, but come on! Did you even read that post? When he is talking about how the issues is that the drug corruption has seeped into the military across the border, and that it is a fear that it will happen over here, suddenly, it doesn't matter what gun laws are. The military HAS GUNS. Hell, a lot of cartels that cause issues across the border get their weaponry from Mexico, so american gun laws along that stretch mean jack shit anyways. And I am sure since they are smuggling one illegal thing, guns smuggled as well is not that hard to see. Not like they aren't already smuggling certain illegal guns anyways. Just saying.

 

[LetalisK]

I'm in the military - we're not allowed to keep shooting when the enemy has dropped his weapon and begun to flee.

So why should some rent-a-cop get to do it?


Just curious...

He's probably not allowed. However, considering he's a rent-a-cop, he'll be given a little leeway. He's not going to be as trained as a soldier or cop, so the "reasonable person" standard drops significantly.

 

[prophecy2514]

....sigh. looks like this topic is heading for the tired old superserious gun control debate. On topic - well done mr security guard, you did above and beyond what was needed. bravo. and now I must leave. Cheerio!

 

[The Funslinger]

It's always amazing how bad people are at aiming in combat situations. That guard just starts unloading at those guys yet only one of them is hit and is still able to crawl away. What's the acceptable accuracy for policemen in close quarter combat? 30%? I've heard that figure bandied about.

So it's a testament to both the fragility and determination of the human body as well as the negative effects of stress.

I guess he forgot the face of his father. [http://darktower.wikia.com/wiki/Gunslinger#Teachings]

Still, he did his job, which is fair enough.

 

[SpectacularWebHead]

Yet another reminder that the world is still full of barbarians and brainless brutes.

What would you have done?

If you were the security guard in question, trained in your job(guns and all)

I live in a country where security guards aren't trained to murder people and they don't sit around with deadly weapons.

They must be awful security guards then.

Security guards do a lot of things. They drive armored cars full of countless bills, the life blood of countless corporations, banks, and even governments. They are armed for a reason.

Yet whenever anyone tried to take the guns away, they refused to work. They didn't like the idea of being shot and having the car stolen just so politicians can jack off to the idea that guns somehow no longer exist.

Wow. What a wonderful idea that is. /sarcasm

They wouldn't be shot if you actually had some regulations about supplying the general public with deadly weaponry. You're missing the fact that all of america has fucked itself up by allowing all civilians the right to bear arms. Of course you can't take the guns away from security, because every other ************ is allowed a gun with very few questions asked. Take them away from your entire population as largely as you possibly can and we wouldn't have incidents popping up like this.

You just have to look at the murder rates in countries like england and australia, and y'know, countries that actually have a decent system about firearms, and then any logical person can see that giving hand guns and fucking assault rifles to the general public results in a lot more people dying in stupid instances like this one.

Guns being sold have nothing to do with it anymore.

Its all a drug problem. Its always been.

Americans are number one in practically every single drug consumption. Every. Single. Drug.

And what happens? You get cartels, who in turn prop up American gangs and American organized crime. We left this fester for what? 70, 80 years?

Now they are so powerful they don't even gun stores. In fact, they now have the ability to steal weapons from government armories and just smuggle them in. Gangs are even spreading into the US military. In fact, the FBI is scared shitless that promises of money will corrupt America's military just like Mexico's military was.

Organized crime is getting so lucrative they can actually built sophisticated smuggling tunnels with lights, air conditioning, the works. They are past the point of even being effected by anything sort of military action and complete drug reform anymore.

"Gun being sold to civilians" no longer has any bearing on anything. Its all a drug problem, the access to guns don't have anything to do it. No law will help.

This is what happens when you let a problem fester too long. Of course you would know this if you did actual research.

If you don't know something, take the time to research it.

And you honestly think that the gangs would have gotten so much sway without their weaponry? We don't have this problem anywhere else in the western world because we control who can get their hands on the fucking guns. This little divergence is bullshit, It a takes away from what the original point is, and B) is wrong. Your problems may come from gangs and drugs, but you fail to realise that these people having no armaments would take away a fucking huge amount of their power. Your idiotic constitution that allows all US citizen the right to bear arms is the reason that you are in the shit with gangs now. Nearly every country in the world has some form of organized crime, and most of them are kept under control because the best weapon the even the high ups can get their hands on are pistols. You made it so easy for them. They can import drugs to america and cause all of these problem simply because they can kill people so easily. I swear to god, your blindness to the simple fact that if your mobsters and gang leaders had the access to the weapons that British or australian criminals do, you wouldn't have dug yourself into the hole you're currently in.

If you THINK you know something, be sure you state all of the facts as opposed to leaving out what is staring you in your gung ho gawping face.

You sir, are you an idiot? I know I know, I like to give fair posts and try to be civil, but come on! Did you even read that post? When he is talking about how the issues is that the drug corruption has seeped into the military across the border, and that it is a fear that it will happen over here, suddenly, it doesn't matter what gun laws are. The military HAS GUNS. Hell, a lot of cartels that cause issues across the border get their weaponry from Mexico, so american gun laws along that stretch mean jack shit anyways. And I am sure since they are smuggling one illegal thing, guns smuggled as well is not that hard to see. Just saying.

If what you're saying is accurate, this problem of intense corruption would not be exclusive to america, now would it? ALL militaries have guns, yet not ALL organised crime syndicates have infiltrated ALL the militaries in the world. It's down to corruption and the easy access to guns that you people have so wonderfully elected to bestow. What you're both saying is; The fact organised crime can get weapons very easily in the USA has no bearing on the fact they are now corrupting your military and government and making millions each year selling drugs? And you think I'M an idiot? Think about what you're saying. This level of corruption is exclusive to america. What do ALL and I mean ALL American Mobsters have? Guns and Drugs. Now, lets look at england. There is a low level of organised crime corrupting into major governmental departments, despite the fact we have the most inept government in the entire world. What do all English mobsters have? Drugs. Very few have access to guns. And we have very little corruption. I think there's a pretty obvious corruption as to why you guys are in the shit and we aren't, dearie.