Falterfire said:
My sarcasm was entirely on the point:
You are suggesting mobilizing enough people to reshake an entire party. Do you know what happened the last time anybody tried that? The Tea Party. And once more, the media nabbed the craziest, threw them up, and the currently voted in people were more than happy to throw everybody who represented a possible threat to their position under the bus of public mockery. Now the Tea Party is a punchline, known only for the people they would rather not have associated with in the first place.
Ah yes, it was entirely the media. It had nothing to do with the incredibly radical statements or comments they made in public.
Seems legitimate to me.
Get real. They weren't exactly crapping on cop cars to their credit, but once they got into any sort of powerful position, they descended into being just as bad as the Occupy movement, radically shifting to one extreme of the spectrum and becoming a lock-step march for the Republicans reclaiming so many seats in Congress. By the way, they've done an awful lot with Congress in the last two years I see....so much, in fact, that you can hardly tell they ever left!
Maybe that's because, in effect, they didn't....people stupidly voted along party lines under the misguided belief that it would "fix things", and the product was STILL a do-nothing Congress that can't serve its people and enjoys the lowest approval ratings in history....but now they wear different colored ties.
It's easy to say "Rise up and reshape your party!" It's damn near impossible to actually do no matter how many people are actually interested because the level of organization, funding, and time required to affect anything on a national level is insane.
Seriously, let me know if you've got a plan for how I would go about doing this. If you have a plan, I'd love to hear it, but stop telling me "well you should just get rid of all the idiots in your party and take over" as though that were something I could do over the weekend and just hadn't thought of it yet.
There have already been two such movements in the last four years, so let's please stop pretending it's "hard" to organize massive groups of concerned citizens. The hard part, and the part that both movements failed on, was to keep focused. Occupy rapidly descended into borderline riots that killed any discussion value they could have brought to the table, and the Tea Party twisted itself into a group that at times is so radical that it makes some of the Texas Republican party's platforms' stances on the issues look liberal by comparison. Neither ended up doing what they sought to do: correct the truly massive flaws in business and government.
You'll notice I haven't criticized your party at all. There's a reason for that. I have no interest in getting into policy debates. You have no reason to believe I have any idea what I'm talking about and I have no reason to believe you do either. That was never my point.
Really? I figured it was because you intelligently interpreted my comments to realize that I'm an independent, and thus realized that "attacking my party" would be impossible seeing as how I don't have one. But I guess that was expecting too much.
My point was that the media flocks to the idiots because serious plans are boring. When was the last time you saw a news article with a serious point by point unbiased walkthrough of a candidate's plan for fixing the economy? Not soundbites such as "$X of taxcuts" or "$X of budget cuts" but a serious point by point discussion on national news?
Um, a few weeks ago, when I was reading an AP article discussing Romney's plans against Obama's? In fact, I've read several such articles. There have been numerous opinionated blogs on the subject as well. It's all over the internet, and both plans have been dissected thoroughly by both parties. I assume you're claiming that this hasn't happened yet because you still get your news from television? One channel in particular, I'm betting? The key to a balanced approach (and to obtaining an informed opinion) is to listen to several points of view and filtering out the bias.
Whereas every week we get a story like this one that says "XYZ politician did something retarded let's laugh at them."
Well when they continue to do stupid shit, it's rather hard to avoid commenting on it.
We all believe parties are run exclusively by idiots because that's all we hear about. If you think it's only Republicans who get these stories it's because you automatically dismiss the ones about Democrats doing similar things as one sided or distortions.
I never claimed I did. I see stupid shit from both parties all the time. I'm merely pointing out that you don't get the right to ***** about the stupid shit if you're not willing to take action and try to fix your own party, especially when you know it's broken.
That said, how interesting that you're resorting to the age-old "you disagree with me, so you must be an evil liberal brainwashed by the MSM" argument that Republicans are stereotyped as having....and here I thought you were better than that. I've never once indicated that I ignore the stupidity of Democrats (in fact in both of my posts, I stated that both parties will just have to deal with their stereotypes unless they're willing to fix their party).
We all as humans have a brain that wants us to go 'yay' for things we support and ignore or disbelieve things we don't. It's part of the reason I as a Republican launched this discussion here instead of on an article about how that guy in New York banned supersized drinks and it's why you never see anybody change their mind over internet discussions despite one guy obviously being the voice of reason.
Oh, you mean Moron....er, Mayor Bloomberg? He's almost adorable, really, like he's trying to force people to have healthy eating habits. Poor guy just doesn't realize that if I want to eat junk food, I'm gonna do it, and he's welcome to break down the door and arrest me if he has the testicular fortitude to try and pry the burger and soda from my hands. Until then, his nanny laws are about as meaningful to me as this attack ad from Maine's Republicans.