Sensitivity Training
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I see Penny has discovered the brain-wave actuated cat ears. Cute. Kinda creepy, too. I'm personally waiting for the less cute, more useful, probably much more creepy brain-wave actuated third arm myself.
Except it ain't muslims 99% of the time. At the moment, Islam is probably the most violent large religion on earth, but only by a small margin. So what? We gonna boot out all the christians and hindus next?ccdohl said:
I like to talk with Groucho Marx. He is really insightful, and fun to hang around, and he isn't telling me to do anything dangerous or violent. You should all convert to Marxism right now, your life will improve by a 100% margin, or even by a 200% margin (those numbers are completely made up and might not reflect reality).
Short answer: Yes.wasneeplus said:
Long answer: Anyone who can't keep their hands to themselves over an argument, especially when it comes down to something as asinine as who's ancient supposedly-divinely-inspired text is the ONE TRUE TRUTH, needs to be punched in the face until the stupid bleeds out of their ears.
Believing in something is not, and should not be, a problem. The problem arises when one cannot discuss, or respond to criticism of, their beliefs civilly.
So, if I said that you needed to convert to Catholicism or be punched in the face until the stupid bleeds out of your ears, would that be discussing my belief uncivilly?Agayek said:
Just askin'.
That was amusing
well done
Seems to me that sensitivity is just another way of saying don't piss off the fanatics that can't behave like civilized people so firebomb places when they get upset. Some misled governments have not brought the hard end of a truncheon down on this kind of behavior yet so we're encouraged to just not provoke them at all instead. With exceptions, vocal minority yada yada yada except it might not be a minority.
Of course religion isn't to blame, just stupid people holding the same opinion/ belief.
well done
Seems to me that sensitivity is just another way of saying don't piss off the fanatics that can't behave like civilized people so firebomb places when they get upset. Some misled governments have not brought the hard end of a truncheon down on this kind of behavior yet so we're encouraged to just not provoke them at all instead. With exceptions, vocal minority yada yada yada except it might not be a minority.
Of course religion isn't to blame, just stupid people holding the same opinion/ belief.
I should refrain for once, but come on, this is a skit about religion so of course there is going to be a debate in the comment section.ccdohl said:
I think you're mistakenly attributing violent actions to religion, when history, economics and politics all play a much bigger part. That isn't to say religion doesn't motivate rioting or suicide bombers, but I think it is over-simplistic to attribute all that violence to the religion itself - as though we wouldn't have terror attacks if Afghans were Buddhists instead of Muslims.
Poverty and instability are much more common causes of violence, which is why there are plenty of Christian militants across Africa (see also, Mugabe, Kony etc.) and South America. Religion is often used as a justification/rationalization for violence, which has the effect of obscuring the more pragmatic reasons for violence and unrest. It doesn't usually create the desire for violence in the first place.
No war actually happened because people told other people to believe in their religion. They happened because of political and social differences. Even the Crusades wasn't the Pope telling Muslims to convert. The first one was because one Muslim ruler forgot that Islam prohibits persecuting non-Muslims living in a Muslim country and started abusing Christians. The Byzantine emperor called for help and the Pope seized this as an opportunity to gain political power and throw some bad people out of Europe by sending them as mercenaries/Crusaders. Where does Christianity or Islam come into this? Its Muslims and Christians who were the culprits, not their religion. If they did follow their religion, the Muslim ruler would not have done what he did and the Pope would turn the other cheek. And don't say religion allowed these people to control everyone else, people like that can use any excuse. Stalin, Hitler and Robespierre used nationality to do the same thing. Money can be and is used to do it, resources, land, anything can do it.Agayek said:
Some Muslims can and do respond in a civil manner, you just tend to ignore them.
What question would you ask of me, a proud Pakistani Muslim?
Also, Islam has rules for war, one of them being to not kill civilians and another being if an enemy inclines to peace we are ordered to incline to peace.
About the protests, you only saw the violent ones. From Pakistan,for example, you saw the ones on the day declared by the government on which it turned violent. No news channel covered the peaceful one in my university or the one held by Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman, the Grand Mufti of Pakistan, one week later. What you don't understand about those protests is that there are some people here who use protests like this as an excuse to start looting.
I live in Karachi and I actually saw the aftermath of this personally. Is a stupid joke worth this? Is it not hate speech if it incites hatred between my people and yours? We aren't asking you to censor any speech that you don't censor for others.
... i find it interesting that mr.glasses (whose name i forget) is okay being in the same room as the psycho who threw an xbox at him and his girlfriend.
Heh heh. Religion IS full of stuff to make fun of, though...
"Behold, heathen! You can make ONE staff into a snake with your sorcery, impressive, impressive. But your twig is no much for our divine gifts. You-"
"Excuse me."
"Yes?"
"Don't look now, but my 'twig' just ate both of your 'divine gifts'... in a single gulp no less... Good boy, Twig!!"
*angry hiss*
"Girl."
*hiss*
Heh heh. Religion IS full of stuff to make fun of, though...
"Behold, heathen! You can make ONE staff into a snake with your sorcery, impressive, impressive. But your twig is no much for our divine gifts. You-"
"Excuse me."
"Yes?"
"Don't look now, but my 'twig' just ate both of your 'divine gifts'... in a single gulp no less... Good boy, Twig!!"
*angry hiss*
"Girl."
*hiss*