Severe musical misconceptions
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Sorry to quote you, I know half the people in this thread have done. But I'm afraid that is just wrongInsanum said:
*Frowns* Although a lot of metal may be kind of shit, some of it is brilliant. So there. You can't dismiss an entire genre as non-music.
OT: Erm aside from iTunes and similar fucking up on genre-assigning, nothing too bad. Or that I can be bothered to think about right now.
Well a lot of the faggy emo bands classify themselves as "metal." My chemical romance and stuff like that. I mean there are a lot of metal heads who say shit like "metallica isn't real metal" and discount anything that isn't cannibal corpse status, and I detest that as much as the next guy, but come the fuck on.
The biggest musical stereotype I have come across (again and again.. and again), and this applies to many other things than just music, is: it's popular so it sucks.
Yes, there is a lot of stuff that is both popular and crap at the same time. There is, however, no correlation between the two. If your favourite obscure indie band was suddenly played on the radio and everyone started buying their music even though they never changed their sound, would that instantly make them crap too?
Look at someone like Bjork. Totally way out there artist that completely does her own very cool thing. For a while though the video for "It's Oh So Quiet" was all over the video channels and everyone knew who she was and was completely into her. She was *gasp* popular.. and yet she never really did stop doing the weird cool stuff she was doing before she was popular (and she's still doing it now that the popularity has long faded.
Yes, there is a lot of stuff that is both popular and crap at the same time. There is, however, no correlation between the two. If your favourite obscure indie band was suddenly played on the radio and everyone started buying their music even though they never changed their sound, would that instantly make them crap too?
Look at someone like Bjork. Totally way out there artist that completely does her own very cool thing. For a while though the video for "It's Oh So Quiet" was all over the video channels and everyone knew who she was and was completely into her. She was *gasp* popular.. and yet she never really did stop doing the weird cool stuff she was doing before she was popular (and she's still doing it now that the popularity has long faded.
A while ago a girl at work thought that Jay-Z's rapeage of Forever Young was the original version of that song. I wept. Some hours after that I heard a happy hardcore version of the same song, I wept again.
I hate you musical industry, raping fantastic songs like that.
And yes, Lady Gaga is indeed one of the best (if not the best) pop acts currently around. In general I hate the idea that all pop is cheaply made, talentless crap made purely for making money. I give you Amy Mcdonald, Lily Allen, Caro Emerald, just to name some. Not all pop is Miley Cyrus.
I hate you musical industry, raping fantastic songs like that.
Agreed on both occasions. People often mistake "gangster rap" for hip hop. I love the hip hop used in Samurai Champloo, it's one of my favourite soundtracks so relax on.zen5887 said:
And yes, Lady Gaga is indeed one of the best (if not the best) pop acts currently around. In general I hate the idea that all pop is cheaply made, talentless crap made purely for making money. I give you Amy Mcdonald, Lily Allen, Caro Emerald, just to name some. Not all pop is Miley Cyrus.
I think the misunderstanding of this one falls on many sides...Mozared said:
For one, the misconception that punk is a genre. It's really not. It was an artistic movement, and it wasn't limited to one sound, or even to being music. Once you consider it as a movement, then yes it's dead, as most movements tend to die. There was no set sound to punk rock, it was all over the place. In fact, if there was any sound that could be said to be even close to universal to the musical aspects of the movement, it was rock and roll. It was all rock and roll, simplified, sped up and distorted.
The bands that play punk today (yes, even the stuff I've been playing for the better part of a decade) is punk revival. It's trying to capture the sound, the spirit and/or the energy of a different time.
But yeah, I agree that catchphrases are silly.
That was infinitely better than the record. I could actually like her if she did this kind of thing more often. Instead of the 80's synth pop revival thing. It doesn't help that everything people have shown me to try and convince me otherwise(up to this point), has consisted of her singing whilst a camera focuses on her arse, or those videos that look like they were directed by Tim Burton. Or maybe it's more like soft-core porn in the world of the mighty boosh.zen5887 said:
It's clear she can do music. Mostly, I am just objecting to my fathers incinuation that she is far more skilled than all of the musicians that I like.
You won't get any of that from me, because Symphony X is way the hell better. Which is only to be expected considering they have the vocal talents of Russell Allen, LaBrie doesn't hold a candle to Allen.Mozared said:
You missed the point of that post, it was a complaint about people incorrectly classifying things as country, not suggesting country itself is terrible.Hopeless Bastard said:
...PayJ567 said:
Thank you ever so much for providing a severe freaking musical misconception which I can now utterly demolish.
Based on your comments I'd conclude you are blindly concluding that Black Metal, Death Metal, and all the shitty metal/death/whatever-core and *shudder* Nu Metal bands represent metal as a whole, instead of the extremely non-commercial sub-genres that they actually are (or in the case of Nu Metal/whatever-core, just crap). The public might perceive these sub-genres to be the 'face of Metal', but that's because the public is stupid and ignorant.
[HEADING=2]Metal is not just angry Norwegians screaming about Satan and murder while wearing corpse paint.[/HEADING]
Nor is metal just angry grunting layered over poorly played instruments, or extremely angry men with long hair screaming, or any of the other stupid popular straw men that all the non-metal fans invariably bring up to the shared exasperation of those of us who know better. All of those things exist of course, and people inexplicably LIKE them, but one simply cannot dismiss Metal itself based on the antics of bands performing in specific sub-genres - you don't see many people under the age of 60 dismissing Rock as a completely worthless genre of music after all, even though we all know quite well there are entire vast tracts of music broadly under the umbrella of Rock that are bloody terrible.To whit!
Whether or not you like it, well that's all down to personal preference and I wouldn't even begin to argue with that since it's eminently subjective, but you must agree that they are not 'just noise'.
[HEADING=3]All of this is Metal. None of it even remotely conforms to what you seem to think all Metal sounds like.[/HEADING]
[HEADING=3]All of this is Metal. None of it even remotely conforms to what you seem to think all Metal sounds like.[/HEADING]
Not to flame, but you realized you fulfilled that role before you could type out the disclaimer, right? "People who have opinions on this aren't qualified. I have a definitive opinion on that fact."Mozared said:
Firstly, I don't see the point of this thread. Music has become very varied these days. Many bands will incorporate elements that could, for someone's intents and purposes, qualify them as metal. Take Alexisonfire, Blink-182, or Billy Talent, which have been labeled very different things.
Secondly, the old "my music is better than your music" debate needs to be nailed inside a box and subjected to the hottest fires on Earth. People like different sounds. Some people go insane for technicality and theory (see Protest the Hero, Avenged Sevenfold, or any other metalcore band), while others prefer a simple bass beat to dance to. I'm pretty sure every Lady Gaga song is no more than 5 beats faster or slower than 120 BPM. To the unthinking, this should not mean that she sucks and deserves to be mindlessly attacked, though I understand that the pubescent mind has certain desires and must be allowed its 'judgmental idiocy' quota.
And finally, stop ragging on metal. If it's not your thing, then don't listen to it. Yes, metal has their cavemen-enthusiasts who strum one night and scream about Satan, just as rap has those artists who insist on demeaning women, and pop has lipsyncing divas whose last names happen to rhyme with 'Tears'. Metal also has bands like Opeth, who emphasize construction over primal growling.
I'm basing it on all the rap that I've heard on the radio.MaxMees said:
"Sex sex sex. Curse words. Sex sex sex. Violence. Sex sex sex. Racial Slurs. Sex sex sex. Insults to women. Sex sex sex. Continual treatment of women as obejects."
I'm not a big fan of that, thanks. Don't get me wrong, that exists in Rock n' Roll, Metal, Punk, whatever else peopel listen too as well. I'm just saying that that's all I get out of a rap song.
Side note: Hip-Hop and Rap are not the same thing.
Death or Glory, we're riding the storm!Lukeydoodly said:
Pirate metal rules.
OT: People who haven't looked into metal and/or rock and make stupid statements about what is "metal" and what is "rock". And just for the record, did you know "metal" or it's listeners do not give a shit what you think? What, you thought someone cared about your opinions? Oh my, get a grip.
As I have said before they are both glam Metal it's still metal just not normal Metal. It was the 80s no one knows why these thigns happens but it did. Granted it is more closer rock than metal it is still metal.RanD00M said:
Don't worry he is just ignorant and showing his ignorance by saying things like that. Just let him think whatever he wants and let him be oblivious to some really damn good music.Mr.Squishy said:
And please tell me this isn't a sick song. Piano + metal = omg, hold on one second I need to go change my pants...
