Severe musical misconceptions

[Rutskarn]

FAN1: Hey, guys, that [INSERT ANY GODDAMNED GENRE] is all crap, amirite?

FAN2: You said it, brother. You notice how it's all EXACTLY the same? Seriously, it's just noise, like you get when you do [DODGY ACTIVITY] to a [BARNYARD ANIMAL].

FAN3: You, sirs, win. Good to see there are a few music lovers that still have *some* taste.

Remember: no matter what kind of music you like, not only does somebody hate it, but there will be entire communities that will use it as a casual punchline requiring no additional comment.

Every music genre, no exceptions, boils down to this:

90%: The most visible stuff. It all sounds vaguely similar, and a nonfan will have no problem calling it terrible, but it will have its adherents.

10%: The stuff that's actually good. This exists for every broad genre, no exceptions. I really do mean that--no goddamned exceptions. I don't care how fetid the starting point is, there's always someone willing to elevate the genre artistically and produce something worth listening to.

 

[Keepitclean]

Oh, and I despise how the term "hardcore" was co-opted by electronic music. That is not hardcore. The term was coined to describe a type of punk music, and thats all it should describe.

Oh, this i completely agree with. When people ask me what genres I like, when I say hardcore, they think I mean the electronic-type one...

There is an electronic subgenre called hardcore? I have heard of Hardstyle, Happy Hardcore, Hardcore Drum & Bass (I think it's generally called Dark Drum & Bass).
It seems though that the term 'hardcore' is used to describe the extremes of any genre these days.

 

[Lemon Of Life]

People always think that rap is of the gangsta subgenre, and you can't blame them, as it is dominant. But this also exists:

Spoiler: Though you might still hate it.

 

[aruseusx]

hope this helps the Metal argument:

Spoiler: IMAGE

Sam Dunn doesn't really make a good metal genre tree. Things to fix
Metalcore is crossover thrash.
Cradle of Filth is not Norweigian Black Metal
Candlemass, Witchfinder General and Cathedral are Doom metal
New Wave of American Metal is melodeath/groove metal/metalcore mix
Sludge metal needs to be included with the Melvins moved there
W.A.S.P. is power metal
Pantera is groove metal or post-thrash (Machine Head, White Zombie, Shit era Sepultura, Fear Factory)
Neoclassical metal needs to be added
Possessed is thrash metal more than death metal
Machine Head is groove metal
Ozzy Osbourne is metal
King Diamond needs to be included for fucks sake

Death metal, hardcore, whatever else, all those bands that have screaming, growling, etc involve no talent.

I would love to see the people who say this to pick up a guitar, drumsticks, a bass guitar or a synth and play the same thing. Because if you need no talent to play hardcore, surely you'd be able to grab a guitar and go for it, right...?

EDIT: oh and,

Every female fronted band ever is either ripping off Evanescence or Paramore. No exceptions.

This enrages me. Due to the fact that I already have some similarities to Hayley Williams from Paramore (red hair, septum piercing, similar body shape), me and my band used to (jokingly) get compared to Paramore. This eventually pissed off the rest of the band so much that they stopped having me as their lead singer and, because I can play bass, moved me into the position of the bassist and backing vocalist, and put the old bassist as the lead vocalist. At that point, I decided to leave the band because I prefer singing. Bass is just a hobby of mine.

It would be funny that if you did power or symphonic metal, you would be seen as an Epica clone.

I wouldn't call Hardcore technical. Awesome(Old Hardcore anyway), but not technical.

OT- That Pantera saved metal in the 90's. Bullshit, they nearly killed metal. Bad songwriting (Minus some songs but they sound like frat boys), boring guitar, stupid vocal delivering and introduced the squeal sound used in metalcore/deathcore nowadays.

Also that Deathcore is metal. Breakdowns, silly band names (Psuedo smart phrases) and 3 fret riffs don't count as metal to me.

Not the best comparison video but the thing about black metal is that you have to have listened to early bands (Venom, Celtic Frost) or other forms of extreme metal to understand it. Since you see the pictures of the bands you can see the difference (Deathcore = Scene kid or wigger image while Black Metal = Being as dark as possible)

 

[Dahni]

It would be funny that if you did power or symphonic metal, you would be seen as an Epica clone.

I wouldn't call Hardcore technical. Awesome(Old Hardcore anyway), but not technical.

Oh, I did do a little bit of vocals for a symphonic metal band because they wanted female vocals on their EP. There was Epica comparisons all over the place.

OT- That Pantera saved metal in the 90's. Bullshit, they nearly killed metal. Bad songwriting (Minus some songs but they sound like frat boys), boring guitar, stupid vocal delivering and introduced the squeal sound used in metalcore/deathcore nowadays.

Also that Deathcore is metal. Breakdowns, silly band names (Psuedo smart phrases) and 3 fret riffs don't count as metal to me.

Not the best comparison video but the thing about black metal is that you have to have listened to early bands (Venom, Celtic Frost) or other forms of extreme metal to understand it. Since you see the pictures of the bands you can see the difference (Deathcore = Scene kid or wigger image while Black Metal = Being as dark as possible)

I agree with the Pantera statement & I spose Deathcore isn't metal. However, I do enjoy it... I'm not liking how there's BMTH, Despised Icon, Suicide Silence, ABRB & TDWP, all bands that I adore, getting slagged off in that video.

 

[Lunar Shadow]

By classing "Metal" as "Music". Its not, Its just noise.

I completely agree. At least bands like Iron maiden had a rift. Todays metal is just yelling and the same note strummed 50 times with a double bass peddle hit every second.

Examples of:
Industrial Metal:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5dm7AYZ-tg
Melo-Death (Gothenberg Sound):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTKxGhf2Yyw&feature=related
Black Metal:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxlRrr74X0

Point is, don't generalize.

 

[Kermi]

I hate that nothing classified as RnB these days has anything to do with Rhythm & Blues.

 

[Deathsong17]

By classing "Metal" as "Music". Its not, Its just noise.

Although even i know Nickelback isnt Metal.

EDIT: Seeing as how i seem to have divided opinion with my post - Ill elaborate - I dont class screaming or throating gravelling as music.

There are 40-50 sub-genres in Metal. About 3-4 of them contain screaming.

Besides, if you judge Metal by the singing, you're doing it wrong. The vocals are sub-par to the instruments in metal.

 

[aruseusx]

It would be funny that if you did power or symphonic metal, you would be seen as an Epica clone.

I wouldn't call Hardcore technical. Awesome(Old Hardcore anyway), but not technical.

Oh, I did do a little bit of vocals for a symphonic metal band because they wanted female vocals on their EP. There was Epica comparisons all over the place.

OT- That Pantera saved metal in the 90's. Bullshit, they nearly killed metal. Bad songwriting (Minus some songs but they sound like frat boys), boring guitar, stupid vocal delivering and introduced the squeal sound used in metalcore/deathcore nowadays.

Also that Deathcore is metal. Breakdowns, silly band names (Psuedo smart phrases) and 3 fret riffs don't count as metal to me.

Not the best comparison video but the thing about black metal is that you have to have listened to early bands (Venom, Celtic Frost) or other forms of extreme metal to understand it. Since you see the pictures of the bands you can see the difference (Deathcore = Scene kid or wigger image while Black Metal = Being as dark as possible)

I agree with the Pantera statement & I spose Deathcore isn't metal. However, I do enjoy it... I'm not liking how there's BMTH, Despised Icon, Suicide Silence, ABRB & TDWP, all bands that I adore, getting slagged off in that video.

There is nothing wrong with liking some deathcore, such as The Red Shore. The reason metalheads despise deathcore is because of the image, the fans(Jump to the next band that has the most brootal breakdowns and thinking this is death metal), the lyrics and the instrumentation (breakdowns upon breakdowns). It is also because most bands sound exactly the same. You look at the thrash bands (Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Celtic Frost, etc.) death metal bands (Death, Morbid Angel, Carcass) and black metal bands (Darkthrone, Emperor, Burzum) they all had a different sound.

Thrash
Megadeth (Having Jazzy undertones)
Slayer (The harsh fuck you god sound)
Celtic Frost (Slow or fast they kicked ass)

Black Metal
Mayhem (The standard setters for black metal. They did practically invent it after all. Then have experimated with every album)
Emperor (Symthonic black metal)
Darkthrone (known for being raw and becoming speed metal slowly)
Burzum (Ambient black metal)

Death Metal
Death (Their progressive sound)
Morbid Angel (Being Death metal legends plus their gargling vocals that replicate very well live)
Carcass (Goregrind and Melodeath masters)

When you look at the deathcore bands like BMTH, Suicide Silence, As Blood Runs Black what set them apart from the others besides the name?

 

[KnowYourOnion]

"ALL rap and hip hop is commercial shit which only ever talks about bitches" and "guns"......I don't care if you don't like it but anyone who spouts this utter bollocks is a grade A cock-munch...

You are right indeed, sir, however alot of it IS bitches and guns. I love Superstar by Lupe Fiasco and then will go listen to Finntroll or Elvenking or Disturbed or any of my other music of choice... but that one song means not all of it is "commercial shit". Of course, I like Eminem as well... and that is mostly about bitches and guns. Not entirely, but a definite slant thataway.

OT: People calling Montgomery Gentry rock. I don't mind country, at least its beter than the majority of rap... but Montgomery Gentry isn't rock. Sorry peeps.

Huzzah another Hip-hop-Metalhead
You should have a quick listen to Flobots and Qwel & Kip Killagain both of them are pretty good, especially Flobots

 

[miasma88]

Theres only one thing in life that i take very seriously and thts my metal, ive been listening to bands like pantera, slayer, cannibal corpse since i was 6 so its a major part of who i am. When i see shitty bands like the used and madina lake being put in the metal section at record stores it makes me want to upchuck. And another thing for people who say screaming and growling is talentless, lets see you make it sound good without fucking up your voice thats talent.

 

[Dahni]

I agree with the Pantera statement & I spose Deathcore isn't metal. However, I do enjoy it... I'm not liking how there's BMTH, Despised Icon, Suicide Silence, ABRB & TDWP, all bands that I adore, getting slagged off in that video.

Instead of listeningto deathcore, just get a Suffocation CD's(Effigy of the Forgotten and Pierced From Within are classics), loads of deathcore bands are greatly influenced by Suffocation, and qutie a few of deathcore is pretty much a suffocation ripoff.

I'll look into that.

OT: thought of another one!

Everyone who listens to a band who believes in Christianity is also a Christian, especially if they have fairly religious sounding lyrics.

If this is generally true, it is not completely. I adore Underoath & The Devil Wears Prada. Both Christian bands, both with very religious lyrics with a tonne of symbolism, references to god/heaven/hell/salvation/etc. but I can assure you that I am not a Christian. I simply enjoy the bands and the lyrics, while not something I agree with, are well-written in my opinion.

 

[Gardenia]

My local newspaper classified Electric Wizard's Dopethrone as rock, and My Chemical Romance as metal. I fuckin' wept.

 

[Lunar Shadow]

By classing "Metal" as "Music". Its not, Its just noise.

I completely agree. At least bands like Iron maiden had a rift. Todays metal is just yelling and the same note strummed 50 times with a double bass peddle hit every second.

Examples of:
Industrial Metal:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5dm7AYZ-tg
Melo-Death (Gothenberg Sound):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTKxGhf2Yyw&feature=related
Black Metal:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxlRrr74X0

Point is, don't generalize.

Funny thing is that rammstein being metal is a major misconception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_metal

 

[Bat Vader]

By classing "Metal" as "Music". Its not, Its just noise.

Although even i know Nickelback isnt Metal.

Ever considered giving Nightwish, Rammstein, Helloween or Iron Maiden a listen, buddy?

I must say that Nightwish is pretty good. I did like Tarja as a singer much better than their new singer Anette. It isn't that Anette is bad, it is just that Tarja gave Nightwish their unique Operatic Metal vocal sound.

Within Temptation and Lacuna Coil are also pretty good.

On Topic: I will have to agree that Nickel Back is most assuredly not metal. Sometimes they sound close to hard rock but nothing like metal.

 

[Spinozaad]

Genres are only fucking the musical landscape. "Yeah, so this band is like... They're post-garage rock, with some 70's influences clearly coming through. And well, I like how they use desert rock bass-lines. Oh shit, now I still have to clarify why there's a keyboard. Well, they are a part of new Britrock Revival, which has been inspired by electro."

That said, the other thing that fucks shit up are the 'communities'. People who like metal, and feel they have to prove this by clothing/acting like a jack ass. This goes for all subgenres. Wearing Converse does not make you 'grunge'. Having a big mohawk does create some spiritual connection of brotherhood with Jello Biafra. Wearing shitloads of 'bling' will not make 'Fitty' respect you.

All it does is making you look like the fucking, insecure idiot you probably are.

/end rant.

 

[RabidusUnus]

Commercialized Rap (See: Bitches, my gunz, my hoes, my mansion) =/= music
Underground/Older Rap or Hiphop = music. (See: THeir lyrics actually talked about something, it had flow, they didn't consider screaming into a mic hooked up to autotune a good way to perform.)

 

[timmytom1]

I was looking on Itunes for some pantera stuff (reinventing the steel to be precise) and apparently pantera are "pop".Made me LOL

 

[Lunar Shadow]

By classing "Metal" as "Music". Its not, Its just noise.

I completely agree. At least bands like Iron maiden had a rift. Todays metal is just yelling and the same note strummed 50 times with a double bass peddle hit every second.

Examples of:
Industrial Metal:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5dm7AYZ-tg
Melo-Death (Gothenberg Sound):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTKxGhf2Yyw&feature=related
Black Metal:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxlRrr74X0

Point is, don't generalize.

Funny thing is that rammstein being metal is a major misconception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_metal

Because wikipedia is the source of all knowledge that is true and correct?

My point stands, Rammstein is rock and not metal.

It is a valid source when I am using it for a definition and examples.

 

[Lunar Shadow]

By classing "Metal" as "Music". Its not, Its just noise.

I completely agree. At least bands like Iron maiden had a rift. Todays metal is just yelling and the same note strummed 50 times with a double bass peddle hit every second.

Examples of:
Industrial Metal:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5dm7AYZ-tg
Melo-Death (Gothenberg Sound):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTKxGhf2Yyw&feature=related
Black Metal:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxlRrr74X0

Point is, don't generalize.

Funny thing is that rammstein being metal is a major misconception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_metal

Because wikipedia is the source of all knowledge that is true and correct?

My point stands, Rammstein is rock and not metal.

It is a valid source when I am using it for a definition and examples.

If you need to use wikipedia to classify rammstein, you might aswell stop trying to classify them.

I meant for Industrial metal, specifically Neu Deutche Harte. Which is what Rammstein is.

Edit: Basically the style of music they play is a combination of very late NWBHM/early thrash and techno/eletronica.