Sexual harassment and rape allegations rapidly being fired off against various streamers

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Maybe if you adjusted your statement to be "It is much easier for attractive women and men to get laid than anyone else," and it would be accurate.
Just to add a point here, I've never in my life asked anyone out, guys or girls and despite that it's not really hard for me to find someone.

And you know I'm a skinny, somewhat shy, geeky feminine guy, so take that for what it's worth, granted I turn most people down because I'm admittedly asexual, so it's not really something I want and consider attention from pretty much everyone to be unwanted, but I only accepted that recently, and back when I was still figuring things out I never really had any problems experimenting despite a complete lack of initiative on my part and the fact that I don't really flirt (Though I have been told I often come across as flirty from my regular behaviour, I wouldn't know why).

So if I'm honest my experience contradicts StroopWaffel's argument, and I know not straight and 80/20 catchphrase, yaddayaddayadda.
TBH while I do disagree with him, I don't particularly care, but I guess that since I've continued reading this thread I might as well state my opinion even if it's more of the same as everybody has been saying.
 

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As useless as it might be at this point for changing anyone's mind, gonna throw myself into the anecdotal statistics here of people somehow not finding it a problem to turn down "offers" throughout the misadventures of life. Not worth going into details, but many a bed has been shared during various countless parties with people expressing interests. The most interesting thing is no-one took it badly, tried to force themselves on me or was funny with me afterwards about it...a privilege cis women and girls don't really get to experience in any meaningful extent unfortunately.

Used to live a certain group of male mates some time ago, wouldn't do it again as they're mostly tiresome assholes who project their own bullshit, especially their sexuality, onto others, and the things they'd say because they assumed I was just like them was truly eye opening. Glad to be rid of it all now. Much prefer the companionship of the gender I am attracted to without seeing them as some sort of sexual conquest/chase, nor piling all of one's self-esteem into how much sex is being had. It also means being able to listen, free of self-imposed restraints and narcissistic sociopath worries; something which could help educate all these tired old judgy conservative preconceptions of the "other sex" away.
 

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That men have a harder time getting a date/having sex than women do. That was what he said back in #96 and then everything since then has been people arguing with him about it.
So what do you think should be done about it based on his arguments?
 

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Is it possible we can run this back to the allegations. Like no one is going to win we have way to many perspective arguing for personal truths as the universal truth that will have no agreement. I was think of adding more of my cents in and though for my brain it would be better if I didn't

Has there been any more news of the allegations the only major one I know is Angry Joe and so far I have not seen him say anything and he has just remained quiet.
 
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You want to hear something and you're not going to. Just let it go.
So you're saying you don't have any idea of what to do? That there are all these problems caused by women being the gatekeepers and you have no idea what to do about it?
 

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So you're saying you don't have any idea of what to do? That there are all these problems caused by women being the gatekeepers and you have no idea what to do about it?
You are both insinuating and deliberately misconstructing everything I said. I'm tired of arguing about this so think whatever you want.
 

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Is it possible we can run this back to the allegations. Like no one is going to win we have way to many perspective arguing for personal truths as the universal truth that will have no agreement. I was think of adding more of my cents in and though for my brain it would be better if I didn't

Has there been any more news of the allegations the only major one I know is Angry Joe and so far I have not seen him say anything and he has just remained quiet.
I guess I could make a new thread to divert this tangent to but I'm not sure if it should be put in Current Events or Off Topic.
 

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Is it possible we can run this back to the allegations. Like no one is going to win we have way to many perspective arguing for personal truths as the universal truth that will have no agreement. I was think of adding more of my cents in and though for my brain it would be better if I didn't

Has there been any more news of the allegations the only major one I know is Angry Joe and so far I have not seen him say anything and he has just remained quiet.
Like a lot of threads in Current Events or R/P, the forum has gotten way off topic and turned in to personal fights. That is why I have put a personal rule setting/disclaimer not get to off topic whenever I make a thread.
 

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You are both insinuating and deliberately misconstructing everything I said. I'm tired of arguing about this so think whatever you want.
Because you are sounding like jorden peterson, you list all these problems but never give any solutions but with how you list said problems it leads the reader to seeing the solution as being something women need to do rather than men.
 

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Like a lot of threads in Current Events or R/P, the forum has gotten way off topic and turned in to personal fights. That is why I have put a personal rule setting/disclaimer not get to off topic whenever I make a thread.
Like i feel like dating norms and gender norms tie in to these allegations because they do but Stroop had a decent ground but lost it at the Evo Psych and everyone zoomed in on that.

I know Currents Events aka the old School Religion and Politics play out I am a expat making a return cause I a digging the new look and direction. But this conversation plays out the same whether here or on another forum which is sad cause I feel with a different angle this all can tie in together instead of getting detoured super hard.
 
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Ok guys, bring it back on topic. If you want to continue discussing courtship behaviors and the abuses of those behaviors then go here.

 

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IDK how things are in the US but there are lynchings all the time, I've seen them, it happens because the police is so useless that people resort to it.

Just because a system of order exists it doesn't mean it works at all, it's a system set up exclusively to benefit a certain group of people and it doesn't really give a shit about everyone else leaving them entirely on their own, which means that despite the fact that it shouldn't be happening, because it's the system's job to prevent these things, both of the things you mentioned still happen all the time, so how exactly is that supposed to make my grievances with the system less valid?
Because that would be an problem to sort out in the system with no easy solution.

Otherwise advocating for more stuff being done outside of the system without the same level of checks and balances would mean more innocent people killed or with serious life changing injuries and it would open things up to be extremely easy to abuse by sociopaths who play on peoples emotions and knee jerk reactions to drum up a mob.



Yep, I learned that the hard way, whatever you do don't talk back to the cops turns out they really don't like it, so they punched and stole my money, because cops suck, they're nothing more than thugs in uniform.

BTW did you know the cops actually expect you to solve problems yourself? When I reported my car as stolen apparently all they did was apparently put it on a list of open cases and would call me every now and then to ask me, if I found the car, because I'm expected to look for it and take care of everything myself, what is even the point of the fucking cops then?
That's another issue with policing more than anything else. Mostly the stolen car thing allows them to contact you if it shows up related to something else be it burned out by joy riders or means they don't turn up your house when your car was used as a getaway vehicle.

They might at best pick it up in a random vehicle stop or find it years later when they do a stop and check on vehicle serial numbers etc elsewhere.
 

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And odds matter. How often are you hit by a meteor? How often do women lie about and otherwise abuse men?
Often enough that you've likely heard the name of a very well known person suspected to have been subjected to domestic abuse.

Stephen Hawking


Crass presentation aside, this is incredibly solid advice.
It is but it's also how a lot of people have met significant others. I think it works out that 80% have met their significant other through work or social groups for their interest (say Drama group or Sci-Fi fan group) while only I think like 5% ever met them via clubs and 5% via dating agencies etc.


Women can snap their fingers and have sex. Men have 8 times the testosterone with corresponding physical craving but at a millionth of an opportunity the average woman has. Then there is the 80/20 rule that 80% of women only find 20% of men attractive. In other words; men trying their chances with any woman they can is always going to be a problem. The frustration men experience is something women can't relate too while the intimidation women experience from unwanted attention is something so alien to men that they can't relate too.

You can't deny nature doesn't have a cruel sense of humor.
I'm a fairly big guy but trust me the intimidation still happens from unwanted attention, especially if they're rather more forward then you're comfortable with.


No, they're just being assholes. And if society treats you as disposable, that is not a product of feminism but capitalism.

And between being falsely accused and being struck by a meteor I can confidently state that neither has ever happened to me.
No but the modern issue of "Men's problems can wait, we need to demolish the patriarchy first, oh you gonna cry cause men commit suicide far more often than women, let me get my cup to drink some lovely male tears #Killallmen #Yesallmen #Allmenaretrash" does rather suggest a level of unimportance


There isn't a supply and demand issue. Currently, there are more women than men in the US. It is well known that women value personality over appearance, so it does not matter how attractive you are if you are a sexist asshole, you will still come off as less attractive. Men actually have control over their opinions, actions and personality.


It is sort of like how so many male Trump supporters are complaining about not being able to find a date, THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT and it has nothing to do with a supply and demand issue, or their appearance, it has everything to do with how they view the world and treat others. I agree with the results of the study. If a man is not genuinely compassionate, empathetic and kind, they are not only " not attractive", they are actually repulsive. Oh and women often do have a much higher sex drive than men, we do not have to rest and take breaks in between sex sessions and can have continual multiple orgasms, so we are pretty much built to be able to have more sex than men. Simply because we need to be attracted to a mans personality as well in order to want to have sex with them does not mean we do not crave it just as much if not more than men, it is just no matter how high our sex drive is, a guy making a jerk of himself is always a turn off. At that point, we would rather go home alone, turn on the porn and bust out the toys and take care of ourselves instead of spend another second thinking of the guy who made a jerk of himself ever again. The problem here isn't the women, it is the men who think they can behave however they wish and still be entitled to women's affection and desire. It doesn't work that way.
Nah there's still a fair bit looks play in it at least in creating the initial impetuous for them to get to know a guys personality. Also for some they don't care as long as the guy is really hot it will over-ride everything seemingly. There are guys like that too. Mostly those who were fawning over Kim Jong Un's sister recently.
 
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Is it possible we can run this back to the allegations. Like no one is going to win we have way to many perspective arguing for personal truths as the universal truth that will have no agreement. I was think of adding more of my cents in and though for my brain it would be better if I didn't

Has there been any more news of the allegations the only major one I know is Angry Joe and so far I have not seen him say anything and he has just remained quiet.
Cryoatic confessed somewhat to some of the one against him.

Pro-Syndicate I believe produced receipts against Zombie Unicorn for the most part.

Another one the produced receipts

The Ubisoft PR guy accused produce the ultimate receipt against the allegation from a female co-worker. The hotel she named dropped as where he was staying and where the events took place was not where he was staying. He showed messages between them prior to the event and told her he was staying at said hotel then messages or stuff with his friends also going to the event telling them he was stopping at an entirely different hotel because he claimed she was acting oddly toward him before the event and he was worried she was going to show up to his hotel room in the middle of the night drunk or something. He also had messages from her after the event I think on about how she wanted the two of them to meet up somewhere and have some alone time or something.
 

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Because that would be an problem to sort out in the system with no easy solution.

Otherwise advocating for more stuff being done outside of the system without the same level of checks and balances would mean more innocent people killed or with serious life changing injuries and it would open things up to be extremely easy to abuse by sociopaths who play on peoples emotions and knee jerk reactions to drum up a mob.
That presumes there's a way to achieve it within the system, no offence but you don't live here, while I'm sure there would always be some level of vigilante justice through lynch-mobs here, especially in remote communities, it wouldn't be happening in this scale and even in big cities if there was a way to solve the issue within the system, unfortunately as a result that does mean more civil disorder, but what are people supposed to do instead?
Nothing just let the problem continue?

I don't like vigilantism, the investigations aren't thorough, people are unnecessarily cruel to the victim and they have likely killed innocent people, but the only other alternative is do nothing and if we're being fair it's what most people do, but not everyone can just take it and it's not like they should just take it either.

To me, this is proof enough that the system simply doesn't work, and while it may be worse where I live, is it really that much better in the USA?
Personally I doubt it.



That's another issue with policing more than anything else. Mostly the stolen car thing allows them to contact you if it shows up related to something else be it burned out by joy riders or means they don't turn up your house when your car was used as a getaway vehicle.

They might at best pick it up in a random vehicle stop or find it years later when they do a stop and check on vehicle serial numbers etc elsewhere.
Sorry about that, just one of many frustrations from trying to deal with the police, in reality I wasn't really expecting them to look for it or find them, and the report was mainly so that I wouldn't be implicated in any criminal activities if the stolen car happened to be used for that, it's just that the calls frustrated me because they continued for years even after I moved to a different city, far after I had told them that it was probably dismantled and sold for parts and I didn't care anymore, but they went on, I assumed to annoy, fortunately they haven't called in 2 years, the car was stolen on 2014 BTW.

Pro-Syndicate I believe produced receipts against Zombie Unicorn for the most part.
Wasn't her story that they were there for consensual sex, but he ended up doing some things against her will?
Because his statement also claims the same thing that they were having consensual sex, so in this case in particular wouldn't the receipts prove nothing either way?

I mean both of their stories match on the reason why they were there, it's the details of what happened in there that don't match, I'm very much not saying he's guilty or innocent, just that evidence of receipts for the hotel would match both her original statement and his original statement, unless he changed the statement somewhere along the way, which from what I've looked up he hasn't, I didn't find the receipts though, but I'll admit I didn't look very hard.
 

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That presumes there's a way to achieve it within the system, no offence but you don't live here, while I'm sure there would always be some level of vigilante justice through lynch-mobs here, especially in remote communities, it wouldn't be happening in this scale and even in big cities if there was a way to solve the issue within the system, unfortunately as a result that does mean more civil disorder, but what are people supposed to do instead?
Nothing just let the problem continue?

I don't like vigilantism, the investigations aren't thorough, people are unnecessarily cruel to the victim and they have likely killed innocent people, but the only other alternative is do nothing and if we're being fair it's what most people do, but not everyone can just take it and it's not like they should just take it either.

To me, this is proof enough that the system simply doesn't work, and while it may be worse where I live, is it really that much better in the USA?
Personally I doubt it.
The problem is the law is slow because it often has to be. It had to go over evidence and make sure it's done right. People in an ever faster world want faster results which just can't be got because tests aren't getting quicker and things like fingertip searches of crime scenes still can only work at the speed humans can go. We can't get robots sweeping the scene for evidence because it has to be detailed where it was found precisely because there may be more stuff nearby or it helps piece together the events of the scene.

Hell sometimes cold cases are solved decades later.





Sorry about that, just one of many frustrations from trying to deal with the police, in reality I wasn't really expecting them to look for it or find them, and the report was mainly so that I wouldn't be implicated in any criminal activities if the stolen car happened to be used for that, it's just that the calls frustrated me because they continued for years even after I moved to a different city, far after I had told them that it was probably dismantled and sold for parts and I didn't care anymore, but they went on, I assumed to annoy, fortunately they haven't called in 2 years, the car was stolen on 2014 BTW.
Maybe they were hoping you spotted it or it showed up somehow. Stranger things have happened I'm sure in their line of work.

Wasn't her story that they were there for consensual sex, but he ended up doing some things against her will?
Because his statement also claims the same thing that they were having consensual sex, so in this case in particular wouldn't the receipts prove nothing either way?

I mean both of their stories match on the reason why they were there, it's the details of what happened in there that don't match, I'm very much not saying he's guilty or innocent, just that evidence of receipts for the hotel would match both her original statement and his original statement, unless he changed the statement somewhere along the way, which from what I've looked up he hasn't, I didn't find the receipts though, but I'll admit I didn't look very hard.
Her story was that I think but the whole "Pull out when you're about to cum" sounds really stupid I mean she does know that doesn't keep you safe right?
She can't be that dumb to think the only sperm released is at the exact moment of ejaculation right? I know Sex ed in the USA is patchy but I didn't think it was that bad....
 

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The problem is the law is slow because it often has to be. It had to go over evidence and make sure it's done right. People in an ever faster world want faster results which just can't be got because tests aren't getting quicker and things like fingertip searches of crime scenes still can only work at the speed humans can go. We can't get robots sweeping the scene for evidence because it has to be detailed where it was found precisely because there may be more stuff nearby or it helps piece together the events of the scene.

Hell sometimes cold cases are solved decades later.
Again, you are assuming they actually do their job, that just isn't the case, especially when someone powerful is involved, and they definitely don't give a shit about marginalised communities other than for the purpose of heading there when they need to meet infraction quotas, or when they feel like bullying people which they do all the time, it's even happened to me.

It's just what the government pretends happens even though the evidence itself points towards the opposite, hell if they did their jobs how can you explain this, which BTW contrary to what the Wikipedia page states it's actually up for debate as to when it stopped with different sources claiming different years some 2005 some say 2012, and there are articles saying that there's been 8 this year, most of my sources are in Spanish but I'll post them anyway, in any case like I said the current system simply doesn't work, it doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt because it's been operating since 1911 and if in over a century they are still this bad they simply aren't doing their job.

Some sources are also recent while others are decades old.


There have been 6 different documentaries about it too, but none of them seem to have been translated to English even in subtitled form, they're also really old with the newest being from 2008, since it has been so heavily reported that people don't really care anymore, and if they don't put in the effort to solve something this high profile I'm sure you can imagine how everything else is handled.

In any case, I don't live in the USA so I can't in earnest judge how it's like there, but I know it's a neoliberal capitalist regime not all that ideologically different from us, so if you wish to discard my opinion on it because of that, that's fair but I assure the system here in México just doesn't work, that's a fact.


Her story was that I think but the whole "Pull out when you're about to cum" sounds really stupid I mean she does know that doesn't keep you safe right?
She can't be that dumb to think the only sperm released is at the exact moment of ejaculation right? I know Sex ed in the USA is patchy but I didn't think it was that bad....
Yes, it was something along those lines, while sure it may be stupid, assuming that things happened in the way she says they did he would've still gone against her wishes and forced her to commit a sexual act that she didn't want to, which is pretty bad and as such I'll abstain from making a judgement either way, given the facts we have available I don't think we can ever achieve objective truth in this case, as I find it hard to think of evidence that could come up that proves the testimony of either of them.

In any case I don't think the intelligence of the alleged victim is relevant to the discussion.
 

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Yes, it was something along those lines, while sure it may be stupid, assuming that things happened in the way she says they did he would've still gone against her wishes and forced her to commit a sexual act that she didn't want to, which is pretty bad and as such I'll abstain from making a judgement either way, given the facts we have available I don't think we can ever achieve objective truth in this case, as I find it hard to think of evidence that could come up that proves the testimony of either of them.

In any case I don't think the intelligence of the alleged victim is relevant to the discussion.
I would think the competency of her ability to engage in sexual relations is incredibly relevant.
 

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I would think the competency of her ability to engage in sexual relations is incredibly relevant.
I don't understand why that would be the case, please elaborate.