Sexual liberation
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I'm not denying a double standard on both sides....but then the last point CAN also apply to girls depending on context (retarded context it seems)Frankster said:
and thats the confusing part, in highschool I remember there were all kinds of mixed messages, the word slut is tossed around yet being a virgin was somtimes seen as a "bad" thing? I dont friggen know
Being a virgin's only seen as bad by the guy who sleeps around with a lot of chicks and then sets his sights on you, in a "aw she might not put out" kind of way.Vault101 said:
I can show you plenty of leaders in the U.S. government who think differentcotss2012 said:
(I don't to get political in a sex thread though!)
oh boo freaking hoo "some people have different moral standards that me!" well too badblackrave said:
how others aproach their sexuality is not "morally the same" across the board...where do you draw th eline anyway? whats the acceptible number of sexual parters? 2? 4? 7? if the girl you were with somehow had 7 boyfreinds beofre is she a whore now?
and that vagina becoming loose is bullshit I'm pretty sure
I find kissing gross for the exact same reasons I find nose-picking gross.Blood Brain Barrier said:
Not all people who disagree with the "sexual revolution" do so entirely because they're "behind the times".
I like sex. I like to have sex whenever I please, with whomever I please (consensual, before anyone jumps on that, ahem), however I please. In that sense, I feel sexually liberated.
and then you get labelled fridgid (by girls too) its just...messed upEaston Dark said:
have you ever done it before?...its actually not that bad..even though I found the Idea pretty gross originallylacktheknack said:
now oral sex on the other hand *shudder* that disgusts me now as much as it did back then (he urinates out of that thing dammit!) I was actually a bit disturbed when I first heard the concept
oh I got another one.....when a photo or video of a girl gets passed around among all the schools/ guys phones in the area...people will gawk..mabye call her a slutcotss2012 said:
but nothing is said of the asshole who sent it out in the first place.....it actually makes me angry because of how damaging somthing like that is
I don't much think Im sexually liberated. I CAN have sex with anything I want but don't. Its the chains of fearing the backlash of what comes with it. If you are known as a sexual libertine people either treat you like a god or they find your every action suspect as taking you at face value may lead to them being dragged down to the icy depths by your libido. In turn if you don't want to gain a reputation you either keep your sexual proclivity under wraps or keep it in check only dragging it out for special occasions.
That and you need to fear your own genitalia. Is is too big? Too small? Is it supposed to curve like that? Does it look like a roast beef sandwich exploded in a box of cow tongues?
That and you need to fear your own genitalia. Is is too big? Too small? Is it supposed to curve like that? Does it look like a roast beef sandwich exploded in a box of cow tongues?
But still, unless they're just trying to be assholes, only the people that want the sex should actually care.Vault101 said:
About that, erections make it difficult and painful to pee. Besides, urine's sterileVault101 said:
(could say the same thing about regular sex if you put thought into it)
I have. It was... wet. And sloppy. And I'm not a germophobe by any standard, but I felt pretty squicked out afterwards. Didn't taste good, either.Vault101 said:
I'm more of a "hands on" person anyways. Hugs are waaaay better than kisses.
As for oral sex... I'm a bit neutral on it right now. It's not really attractive when you actually think about it, but then, neither is normal sex.
He didn't say he finds kissing in itself disgusting. He said he finds kissing in "public" disgusting. There's a difference.Blood Brain Barrier said:
And the reason he said so is because he believes it's a private thing. I'm inclined to agree. Not everyone wants to see people publicly displaying their affection. Some people think that if couples wanna go around shoving their tongues down each other's throats and playing tonsil hockey, they should do it in private. Get a room and all that shit.
Funny thing about choosing not to look at something is that before they can choose to do that, they will have to have been forced to witness such a thing first.
Sure, you can avert your eyes so you don't have to see the naked dude anymore. But in that instant where the decision to look away was made, you already got a look at him. You can't unsee that. You'll remember seeing the naked fella even if it was only just a second.
While if said nudist or making out couple hadn't been doing what they were doing in public, one would never have to witness such a thing.
Personally, I found it a bit distasteful myself because it always seemed to me that it was proof that humanity seems to be lacking in willpower when sex is involved. Like it's an example of the lack of self-control that seems to result.
Me personally? I absolutely feel sexually liberated and it's quite important to me.
Culture around the US, however... I think we've got a lot of hangups that we need to work on as a group... both among the sexually active and the sexually repressed. Too many harsh judgments coming from both sides.
All I can say is don't be afraid to indulge yourselves... responsibly and with regard for the feelings of whomever you do so with.
Culture around the US, however... I think we've got a lot of hangups that we need to work on as a group... both among the sexually active and the sexually repressed. Too many harsh judgments coming from both sides.
All I can say is don't be afraid to indulge yourselves... responsibly and with regard for the feelings of whomever you do so with.
Not "different", but rather "stupid" and "self-degrading"Vault101 said:
Because humans are generally amoral
What woman wants? To fuck strongest, meanest male and then raise that child with some nice and friendly wimp.
What man wants? To fuck as many females as possible.
Reproductive instincts 101, people.
Also why anyone needs to draw The Line? Attempts to generalize morals are the reason why rape victims are shunned and occasionally stoned to death.
But everyone can have their own personal line. My line? 1? I'll let it slide, experiments and first experiences are fine. 2? You're kinda promiscuous. 3-5? You've entered "slutty" territory. 5 and more? Yep, whore.
You consider these some sort of unreasonable standards?
P.S.Do you have vagina? And if vaginas didn't became loose over time, there wouldn't be vaginal muscle training exercises. Unfortunately most females are starting to think about this problem only when it is a bit too late. As usual maintenance is much more easier than repair.
Well, you cannot use one person as an example.cotss2012 said:
There are plenty of people, who think that men being slutty is ok, but if a women starts to behave in similar manner, then she should be covered in pitch, feathers and exiled from society.
And while there is logical (and biological) reasons for that, from moral point of view both whores are doing wrong.
Do you have a vagina? Kegel exercises are to strengthen pelvic muscles, not to keep the vagina from becoming 'loose'. There are things that can weaken the muscles, but these include childbirth, aging, over-large instruments (sex toys, even penises if large enough) and improper use of certain techniques (see: fisting). Also included are things like severe obesity, and some surgeries. Not, however, frequent sex. Kegels are also recommended for people with urinary incontinence, and to help keep men from ejaculating too soon.blackrave said:
Also, just out of curiousity what is your age range for the number of sexual partners? A woman in her 40s is quite likely to have had more than 2 sexual partners in her life, would she be a whore? Why would she be in the same category as a girl in her late teens or early twenties?
Sexual liberation is very important to me, but I don't feel liberated yet.MammothBlade said:
Being straight has never been taboo, but I can still be ridiculed for what I specifically find attractive in women. For example, take the absolutely appalling response to the Dead or Alive 5 creators having the audacity to do what their fans wanted them to. Shock and horror! (Seriously, why were people upset about this? A company giving the fans what they wanted? That's what a company SHOULD do! I bet Star Wars fans wouldn't be upset if George Lucas did what they wanted!) All because the fan's requests had to do with unrealistic bouncy breasts. Why? What's wrong with liking unrealistic bouncy breasts? I can't help that I find it attractive. I didn't choose to be attracted to stuff like that. Yet, Jim Sterling made a particularly childish video whining about it, and everybody just nodded their heads like sheep. Oh yes, it's trendy now to hate people like me. It's okay to look at me as a freak for an attraction I didn't choose to have. An attraction that's totally harmless, I might add.
What the hell?
And now they wanna take booth babes away. Why? Because some pansies can't handle the sight of a little exposed skin? If we're really talking about equality here, let's get some booth hunks to market to people who are attracted to men. I would love to see a convention that had equal amounts of attractive women and attractive men advertising games. I fail to see why it's so important to rid our conventions of booth babes, especially considering that people who AREN'T booth babes are allowed to dress just like them in some of their costumes. So clearly, it's not an issue of decency. If it's a family event with children, fair enough. Go ahead and cover up. But if you're marketing mostly to the adult gamers, then allow some adult themes!
It's not seen as wrong to like women, it's not seen as wrong to love women. But I'm not really allowed to be sexually attracted to women anymore, it seems. It feels like the gaming community, and this forum in particular, are waging a war on sexiness. "But those breasts disgust me. They make me not want to play the game." they say. So what? If those breasts turn you off of the game, then don't play the game. If the game is disgusting to you, then the game wasn't made for you. It was made for those of us who do like that stuff. Those of us who call ourselves the fans. How is it right for you to impose your own standards of attractiveness on our game? Just because you don't enjoy it doesn't give you the right to take it away from those of us who do.
And no, it doesn't contribute to sexism. Nobody is going to play Dead or Alive 5 and then miraculously come to the conclusion that women shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore. That's ridiculous. People who weren't sexist aren't going to become sexist after playing a game, and people who were sexist are going to stay sexist regardless. Simply featuring attractive women in a game does not set women back. All it does is appeal to the fantasies of people who find those women attractive. Why is it wrong for me to fantasize? And why is it wrong for me to fantasize with a video game? It's as if we're against masturbation now or something. Is this The Escapist, or is this Catholic School? And no, it's not a "negative image of gamers" either. There's nothing "negative" about having a normal, healthy sexual appetite, like a human being. The negative image doesn't come from us doing something wrong, it comes from our puritanical society perceiving us as doing something wrong. That's their fault, not ours. And frankly, screw them. Haters gonna hate.
On top of that, the way we treat fetishists, both inside and outside of the gamer community, is even worse. I don't know if my attraction to unrealistic breasts counts as a fetish or not, but I know I have another fetish that can definitely be considered a fetish. To protect myself, I won't say what it is. But I will say it's nothing illegal or harmful.
There's a certain something I find attractive in women that nobody else thinks about, because it's a fetish. There have been times when I've told people about this fetish, and received extremely negative responses to it. I've been called "disgusting", or "weird". I have friends who have this fetish. One of these friends was caught by her mother one day, while she was practicing it. Her mother rejected her for it, and forced her to see a psychologist to try to "cure" her. I'm not making this up.
But it's not just my fetish that's treated like a disease in this supposedly "modern" society. Just look at the response to "50 Shades of Gray". That book is an awesome thing, because it advances the social acceptability of BDSM fetishism. I think it's a great step forward, and I'm thinking of picking it up myself. And yet, some closed-minded assholes called it "promoting domestic abuse". They do not understand the fetish, so they fear it, like the cowards that they are.
This is the reason why I don't feel sexually liberated. Wake me up when I'm allowed to be attracted to women again. Wake me up when I'm allowed to have a fetish, when fetishists finally get the acceptance they deserve. We think we're liberated because gays and straights can be gay and straight freely. But sexuality is not limited to those two camps. There's so much more left to liberate. We're not even close to done.
A Vietnamese woman I worked with kept telling stories about how cheating husbands would find the unmentionables sliced off.Tanis said:
some reattached... some fed to the dog... others the blender ><
probably not as bad as being stoned to death, but made me shudder to think.
Obviously it all depends on your country, some are a lot more 'liberated' than others.
I wouldn't say i feel sexually liberated, it's still a fairly taboo topic that usually is only mentioned in conversation between lovers or friends.
But I don't think there'll be a point in my lifetime where you can casually talk about sex in the same manner that you'd talk about work.
wow....can you see mount Everest from that hoarse your on?blackrave said:
my issue here is that you are SERIOUSLY and utterly convinced your moral standpoint here is absolutely 100% correct
its one thing to go out every night and fuck everything that moves (which I wouldn't consider healthy and I would question the character of someone like that HOWEVER in the end it is their right to do so and I don;t see the act of sex itself to be immoral...regardless of weather or not its with a spouse or a one night stand)
[quote/]Also why anyone needs to draw The Line? Attempts to generalize morals are the reason
why rape victims are shunned and occasionally stoned to death.[/quote]
draw the line because I want to see exactly where we stand here and where your coming from
[quote/]But everyone can have their own personal line. My line? 1? I'll let it slide, experiments and first experiences are fine. 2? You're kinda promiscuous. 3-5? You've entered "slutty" territory. 5 and more? Yep, whore.[/quote]
....0_0....dear god....no wonder your having trouble (not a personal attack just an assumption on my part)..this is ridiculous
2? kind of promiscuous..so lets say I had a boyfriend once when I was 18 and we did it..but then it wasnt working out so we broke up....a year later I have another boyfriend..relationship last for 2 years before we mutually break it off...acording to you thats [i/]kind of promiscuous?[/i]..no...its not thats actually pretty friggen modest
3-5? after a certain time most people could have that amount of relationships...and thats slutty?...dear god
also a whore is somone who is paid...I find refering to women as a whore outside of the actual meaning kind of sexist (just my opinion of coarse)
[quote/]P.S.Do you have vagina? And if vaginas didn't became loose over time, there wouldn't be vaginal muscle training exercises. Unfortunately most females are starting to think about this problem only when it is a bit too late. As usual maintenance is much more easier than repair.[/quote]
its fucking myth..or at least not as bad as your making it out to be
http://www.scarleteen.com/article/advice/a_few_choice_words_about_tightness
http://www.scarleteen.com/article/advice/lets_let_this_be_the_last_word_on_worn_out_vaginas_shall_we
Well, luckily as of 2009, if you live in the USA thanks to the Lilly Ledbetter Act, if you find out that someone who is doing the exact same job as you at the exact same company is making more than you, you can then go and complain and they will legally HAVE to bring up your pay ( exceptions to this are things like: You have been there for 6 months while Greg has been there for 6 years and has gotten an annual pay increase.) But other than that.... Yeah.Tanis said:
Ahh!! Ahh!! The generalizations! It burns! Just kidding!Vault101 said:
Seriously though, this happened at my high school. Guy had his girl perform oral on him on his video phone... It got around and, obviously, the girl was mortified. For a while, she was a little shunned... But the guy? HAH! The guy's name was--... Well, honestly, it doesn't matter. He gained a fun nickname, "McNasty" (He had Mc"Blah" as a last name). He was also expelled. And now works a dead-end job and lives with his parents.
The best part is that, as it turns out, she was really only shunned by friends of the guy. No one else really cared. They thought the guy was far more scumbag than the girl was slut, rightly so, of course. She was doing something to either prove her "loyalty" of putting out, or did it out of misguided love or..whatever. He perverted it.
She was doing pretty well last I checked, but I didn't really know her personally.
On to the original topic stuffs!!!:
Sexual liberation... Uhm, I agree with the fact that I've never really felt oppressed, nor do I feel particularly liberated. I have my girl, she has me and we enjoy each other's company where we can get away with it... Living at home during college makes it hard, but not impossible. In truth, I don't blame my parents for setting "No Snoo-snoo" rules under their house. If my parents were staying at my house, I wouldn't want them snoo-snooing under my roof either.
Edit: Hope my anecdotal evidence restores some of your faith in humanity, Vault101! (Btw, I love all of your dog-thing avatars... You were the one with Garrus-dog-shotgun, right?)
ha I know...its just whenever I heard of this kind of thing back then I wouldnt relaly hear of the guy...eather way the Idea of spreading such a thing out of spite or otherwise is kind of sexist, of coarse my veiw could be rather skewed in that regard since it was all rumours and gossipTigerlemur said:
ALSO now that I think about it...this is one of the "media fenzy" type issues Ive heard about which could exagerate things mabye...I remember we were actually warned about this kind of thing back then XD
[quote/]Edit: Hope my anecdotal evidence restores some of your faith in humanity, Vault101! (Btw, I love all of your dog-thing avatars... You were the one with Garrus-dog-shotgun, right?)[/quote]
why thankyou...and yes that was me XD