Shadowrun Returns Comes to Kickstarter
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My group of friends and I have been playing the Shadowrun tabletop for over 10 years. Seeing this, and this man behind the wheel, if we had 10k between the group of us we would have dropped in in a heart beat.
Since that won't happen though, I'll have to settle for my name being in the credits.
Since that won't happen though, I'll have to settle for my name being in the credits.
My question would be, why do I have to chase around the devs to get this information/option? I'm the consumer and they're asking for my money not even for a product, but a potential product. It's vaporware at this point and already they've lost my business because they don't have foresight into their preferred method of distribution. How does that look in the consumer market when a company that's asking for money doesn't have a solid plan going in? It's panhandling. Not to even mention that that project would then be questionable because if they don't have the understanding of the distribution side of the project, what's to say all the features they've promised don't make it into the game or are poorly handled? Again, this should be an option offered up front without my having to ask, especially considering the project type (small development team using digital distribution), not something I should have to bring up as a "hey, obvious point is obvious" request.Darknacht said:
As for why? I've found Steam to be a reliable tool to organize my games, keep everything up to date without so much as having to think about it and has a great in-game overlay that seamlessly switches out to a chat box to talk with friends while gaming and browser to look up anything I may want to know while playing without the normal wait time/possible graphical readjustment normally associated with alt-tabbing out of full screen. All in all, it just works for me and it bothers me to have to have poorly handled clients when Valve has done an excellent job at proving that simplicity and convenience outweigh some intrusion into my gaming experience.
I'm more of the "SQUEEEEEAAAAAALLLL!" variety, but I think mental noises or physical chirps of barely-repressed glee count as synonyms for "bluga".DustyDrB said:
Yeah. A decent Shadowrun game? Yes, please.
Where does it say that smartarse? Guess what its says that nowhere, if you don't have in your terms and conditions you can be sued. We live in the world where gamers sue go to court because they dont like the ending of ME3, some smart arse, just like you, can take them to court and this case stand a high chance of winning. Its baldy thought through, they have committed themselves to things without understanding of the consequences. They have drm free because all the others have said the samething, they have just assumed because someone else has done it they can do it. By not stating that the drm free version will only be available from their website, they have opened up the option for it to be argued that the kickstarter and there website has led to reasonable a exception of a DRM free version being downloadable by steam. Legal departments exist for a reason dimwit.Dexter111 said:Are you dense?albino boo said:
They'll offer the game through Steam AND through other non-DRM platforms like Desura, GamersGate or even their own Website, Steam doesn't hold up any kind of need for an "Exclusivity Agreement" for any game.
So let me get this straight. You not going to, and indeed telling other people, Not to get a game (I know it's vaporware right now) because it won't go right to Steam? That seem rather petty. And don't say you're not telling other people what to do. By posting that amount text, it's just far to heavily implied.HellsingerAngel said:
Let me just grab my flame shield just a sec......
Ok, I really liked the shadowrun FPS, played a lot of it back when I still used my Xbox, kind of disappointed that it's not another one they are tring to make here.
I got it on PC aswell, but Games for Windows Live was such a joke that it was a pain in the ass to use.
Ok, I really liked the shadowrun FPS, played a lot of it back when I still used my Xbox, kind of disappointed that it's not another one they are tring to make here.
I got it on PC aswell, but Games for Windows Live was such a joke that it was a pain in the ass to use.
and even if ya somehow don't, they just open up the option to donate to the cause via paypal.brunothepig said:
most flaming comes from the fact it´s a arena fps of a rpg setting, it´s like if you took mozart and make a rap remix, ya just do that X3Hawk of the Plain said:
I'm still waiting for the battlefront 3 kickstarter article. Since clearly that's the only way those guys will get off their butts to make the damn thing.
WOW. I really thought I would never get to play an Isometric game ever again. I mean Fallout one and two were just pure gold and to see Wasteland 2 get made is unbelievable (though Wasteland was before my time, I'm still excited) AND NOW Shadowrun game. Man when everyone was sitting down to play their Sonic on genesis, i only cared about two games; Pirates Gold and Shadowrun. If Sid Mieres announces he's making another Pirates game after this I'm going to start getting suspicious I haven't merely died and gone to heaven. Seriously this is the first time I've been so genuinely and unreservedly excited for a game since Fallout 3. But not just one, three games! O_O
I keep trying to remind myself, I first need to see the fruits of this funding before I start proclaiming gaming is starting to move towards a optimisitc future... but i can't bat away these sparkles of happiness shooting from my eyes even still.
I keep trying to remind myself, I first need to see the fruits of this funding before I start proclaiming gaming is starting to move towards a optimisitc future... but i can't bat away these sparkles of happiness shooting from my eyes even still.
If you don't like it then you don't have to get it. One of the reasons I'm supporting it is because they have the foresight to distribute it in a way that does not require Steam, because in may experience Steam is terribly clunky, bad at updating games, good at breaking games and DLC, and simply unnecessary. I am glad that none of the games I am supporting are using Steam as their preferred method of distribution.HellsingerAngel said:
If you don't want to support this game just because they did not bother to tell you that you can get it on Steam that is your choice, but the rest of us are going to support it because we think that this could be a great game and supporting the game now give them more money to make it even better.
You can distribute DRM free games through steam Paradox does it, its just a bit awkward. You need to try to know a little about what you are talking about before you start railing on others or it make you look like a dimwit.albino boo said:Where does it say that smartarse? Guess what its says that nowhere, if you don't have in your terms and conditions you can be sued. We live in the world where gamers sue go to court because they dont like the ending of ME3, some smart arse, just like you, can take them to court and this case stand a high chance of winning. Its baldy thought through, they have committed themselves to things without understanding of the consequences. They have drm free because all the others have said the samething, they have just assumed because someone else has done it they can do it. By not stating that the drm free version will only be available from their website, they have opened up the option for it to be argued that the kickstarter and there website has led to reasonable a exception of a DRM free version being downloadable by steam. Legal departments exist for a reason dimwit.Dexter111 said:Are you dense?albino boo said:
They'll offer the game through Steam AND through other non-DRM platforms like Desura, GamersGate or even their own Website, Steam doesn't hold up any kind of need for an "Exclusivity Agreement" for any game.
Now, I was going to write up a counter point to these accusations, but I then this conveniently came along...Christopher Callahan said:
I couldn't have put it better myself.Darknacht said:
Whether that's petty or not, I suppose, is your opinion, however I don't think it's petty to not want to give money to make something I don't want. If they want to broaden their market, they should broaden the availability of the game, simple as that.
As for you, Darknacht, I totally agree! I think it's great that the company is setting it up for a non-DRM solution for people like you. What simply disappoints me is that they take the extreme instead of coming to the logical solution: ship it both ways. Valve has never had a problem in the past with companies selling in other venues so it just seems odd they wouldn't have tried to strike a deal with them. Then again, maybe they did. I suppose we might never know. However, I'm glad you can get a game you want in your preferred format and I certainly encourage you to support the game if that's what you want gaming to be. =)
Yup, which is cool, so I probably will get a copy. Doesn't make me want to pledge though, considering the pledge copy is DRM-free, aka not Steam, which was the entire crux of the argument to begin with.Darknacht said: