Sherlock Holmes Investigating Star Trek 2

[NinjaDeathSlap]

I loved the first 3 episodes. Only problem I had was using it as an opportunity that was trying to subversively push the concept that Holmes was gay.

Episode 1 of Season 2 very much contradicts that.

Good. Cumberbatch is in my Top 10 of actor currently working and he really needs to be more famous than he is. Hopefully his influence will mean the sequel will suck slightly less than the first Star Trek.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

Also... How much betting he will be the next Doctor in Dr. Who too?

I will show up on Stephen Moffat's doorstep if I have to and make this happen personally.

 

[Albino Boo]

Also... How much betting he will be the next Doctor in Dr. Who too?

I will show up on Stephen Moffat's doorstep if I have to and make this happen personally.

Will you take him on the table right then and make him beg, twice?

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

Also... How much betting he will be the next Doctor in Dr. Who too?

I will show up on Stephen Moffat's doorstep if I have to and make this happen personally.

Will you take him on the table right then and make him beg, twice?

Yes, yes I would.

and that is probably one of the best moment in BBC TV history that line.

 

[xxcloud417xx]

This is probably too far in the Star Trek timeline to be possible but could he not be a very young ensign Picard?

I am most likely wrong I don't think Picard is even born yet or if his parents are even old enough to BE parents at this point in the timeline but it would be cool nonetheless.

 

[cbrichar]

In addition to his Holmes credit, which is giving Cumberbatch a good deal of (well deserved) recognition, he's also a fantastic comedic actor. I'd highly suggest Cabin Pressure [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_Pressure_%28radio_series%29] for anyone looking for more of his stuff - there are three series now, the entire cast is spectacular, and for my money it's one of the sharpest bits of comedy writing to hit the BBC in the past few years.

 

[anonymity88]

So both Holmes and Watson are playing against each other in the same film... Which is the hobbit. There's all levels of nerdgasm going on there.

Didnt even occur to me until you said. But, oh my God! D:

 

[jprf]

Wait.. they turned the miniseries into an actual series? DAMMIT! I know I am not in the UK but why was I not informed?!?

I loved the first 3 episodes. Only problem I had was using it as an opportunity that was trying to subversively push the concept that Holmes was gay.

As for Trek. Ok, whatever hurries this film and the next one up so we can trash this garbage of kirk/spock. Doesnt matter who is playing them, Kirk/Spock trek blows.

The miniseries was the series. That's british TV for you- often fantastic, but 6 hours per series is about all you can hope for. There's a new 3-part series on now though, and its very popular (11 million watched the last episode out of a population of 63 million)so they'll keep making more.
Oh, and I know which bit you're talking about, but the point they were making there wasn't that Holmes was gay but that he was effectively asexual. The only attraction for him is intelligence, regardless of gender.

 

[Luke3184]

Wait.. they turned the miniseries into an actual series? DAMMIT! I know I am not in the UK but why was I not informed?!?

I loved the first 3 episodes. Only problem I had was using it as an opportunity that was trying to subversively push the concept that Holmes was gay.

As for Trek. Ok, whatever hurries this film and the next one up so we can trash this garbage of kirk/spock. Doesnt matter who is playing them, Kirk/Spock trek blows.

Wtach the first episode of series two, he most defiantly is not gay.

 

[Monster_user]

As a Star Trek fan who has seen Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan far too many times,...

This new Khan will not live up to expectations. He cannot beat Ricardo Montalbán. I can live with the new Kirk, and I can live with the new Spock. Khan however, was defined entirely by Ricardo Montalbán.

This new guy may as well be portraying Harry Mudd impersonating Khan.

 

[viranimus]

As for everyone quoting me.. I would LOVE to watch the second series. The first one was great. However living in the US I seemingly do not have a legitimate distribution method in order to view it. I only watched the first one with my ex fiancee that I had no idea how she obtained it. (Currently my only means to view anything is via online distribution and OTA DTV signals so I have no clue if its available on BBC america because I do not have cable)

The question I have about the whole homosexual connotation is that was the connection in the first series just an illusion, or was it actually there and there was enough negative backlash from it that was modified in the second series? I know the UK has traditionally been more accepting of homosexuality on television than in the US, but I also know that there have been many instances when there has been negative backlash from it that forced the production to be modified because of it. (See Torchwood and several others)

Anyway... this gent would make an excellent addition to a star trek cast, I just find the lamentable part being that it is for a ToS time-line that simply wasnt that good to begin with and really the reboot hasnt changed that.

 

[jprf]

As for everyone quoting me.. I would LOVE to watch the second series. The first one was great. However living in the US I seemingly do not have a legitimate distribution method in order to view it. I only watched the first one with my ex fiancee that I had no idea how she obtained it. (Currently my only means to view anything is via online distribution and OTA DTV signals so I have no clue if its available on BBC america because I do not have cable)

The question I have about the whole homosexual connotation is that was the connection in the first series just an illusion, or was it actually there and there was enough negative backlash from it that was modified in the second series? I know the UK has traditionally been more accepting of homosexuality on television than in the US, but I also know that there have been many instances when there has been negative backlash from it that forced the production to be modified because of it. (See Torchwood and several others)

Anyway... this gent would make an excellent addition to a star trek cast, I just find the lamentable part being that it is for a ToS time-line that simply wasnt that good to begin with and really the reboot hasnt changed that.

There was no backlash, backlashes against homosexuality in the UK are pretty rare (the torchwood backlash was against the explicit sex scenes, not the homosexuality). I think the point moffat was making was that sherlock is pretty much asexual, not that he was gay- he's interested in Irene Adler purely because of her intelligence.

 

[Loop Stricken]

There was no backlash, backlashes against homosexuality in the UK are pretty rare (the torchwood backlash was against the explicit sex scenes, not the homosexuality). I think the point moffat was making was that sherlock is pretty much asexual, not that he was gay- he's interested in Irene Adler purely because of her intelligence.

Yes, if anything it's constantly alluded to that Holmes is a big ol' virgin, than being a gay. I mean I think that wise is cracked at least three times in the new episode.

 

[theultimateend]

I loved the first 3 episodes. Only problem I had was using it as an opportunity that was trying to subversively push the concept that Holmes was gay.

Episode 1 of Season 2 very much contradicts that.

Good. Cumberbatch is in my Top 10 of actor currently working and he really needs to be more famous than he is. Hopefully his influence will mean the sequel will suck slightly less than the first Star Trek.

I think its more that gay jokes are still popular in britain?

Because for the most part the gay comedy was to make Watson uncomfortable. Holmes himself was mostly asexual in the first series and wasn't moved by the jokes people made.

 

[_tinned_magpie_]

No, not Robert Downey Jr. I'm talking about Benedict Cumberbatch: The Sherlock Holmes who speaks with a real English accent.

I hope that is a Robin Hood Men in Tights reference...!

Personally I like this! He is an awesome actor, and did a great job in Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy... Which was a damn good movie... Shows he can do serious as well as quirky, so it will be interesting to see which he takes in Star Trek! Not bad for someone who started out in serious tv dramas... and period dramas like Atonement!

Also... How much betting he will be the next Doctor in Dr. Who too?

Cumberbatch has said several times that he doesn't want to play the Doctor, which I'm not sure is a good thing or a bad thing. On the one hand, he's already the lead in one of Moffat's shows, so things might get confusing... but on the other hand, I'd love to see his take on the Doctor.

OT: As for Star Trek, this is going to be awesome. What with the Hobbit, the Avengers and now this 2012 is going to be brilliant for films.

 

[Nergy]

Nice to see him finally getting the attention he deserves. There aren't many actors that stand out for their performance alone for me, but he does it.

As for him being the doctor? I like Doctor Who, but i think it's not for him. He's actually TOO good for it. I know moffat has asked him several times, but i think Cumberbatch is wise to what usually happens to people who play the doctor and has chosen a much higher standard of role.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

No, not Robert Downey Jr. I'm talking about Benedict Cumberbatch: The Sherlock Homes who speaks with a real English accent.

sorry to nit pick... but you typed "Homes" instead of "Holmes"

Also I've seen the show, although there is only 3 episodes on Netflix Canada, his deductions are mind blowing almost to the point of absurdity. Like it non the less.

That's because what Holmes does isn't deduction at all. Artur Conan Doyle was a good writer, but he was also an idiot. What Sherlock does is called abductive reasoning. And it's based on guessing the most likely answer. And it's never 100% correct like in movies and TV shows because in real life the possibilities are endless. I was actually disappointed by the first episode when Sherlock failed to realize that it was the

Spoiler

taxi driver, not the passenger.

It was so obvious. And he also uses inductive reasoning all the time. That's why I hate these detective shows. They don't know what they're talking about, but it all sounds so lovely to an average viewer. Star Trek is less fictional than Sherlock's reasoning skills.

 

[DTWolfwood]

FYI Sherlock is streamable on Netflix! Just watched episode 1 and boy ol' boy am i riveted.

Thanks for the recommendation.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

Just look at that face. He is SUCH a Romulan.

Wait a minute there was not Necromancer in The Hobbit!
*Does a quick Google search*
Oh Sauron. It's been awhile since i've read the book but I only seem to remember the inhabitant of Dol Guldur being referred to as "the enemy" (And that Thorin was rather keen to take him on as well but Gandalf talked him out of it). And how the hell would he be in this movie anyway? Or Galadriel for that matter?

It'll be interesting seeing how he pull off the motion capture for a Dragon. It would have been a nice touch having voice both Smaug AND Sauron though.

They're splitting the Hobbit into 2 movies, so to get enough material for two movies they will be focusing a whole lot more on Gandalf taking on the necromancer and driving him into Mordor, and I don't really know what Galadriel's role is going to be in it, that confuses me too. Fingers crossed that the changes don't mess it up too much...

 

[Rodrigo Girao]

They have good actors, but if Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman are writing again, it will be as stupid as the previous movie.