Sherlock Holmes Sequel Threatened by "Homoerotic Subtext"
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Well besides the fact that he isn't gay as he has a female love interest in the movie why would it matter if he was gay. I wouldn't find him as a less appealing character if he was. His and Watson's relation in the movie is like J.D. and Turk's it isn't gay love it's guy love.
The way he has protrayed htough in the movie I wouldn't be surprised if they did him as bi but not gay.
The way he has protrayed htough in the movie I wouldn't be surprised if they did him as bi but not gay.
I saw the movie and was very satisfied with it's treatment of the characters. Holmes and Watson were at their best and I will recommend any Sherlock Holmes fan to see it. The completely no-homo bromance between them was a great source of witty banter and did not suggest any sort of sexual tension to me. Any talk that indicates otherwise is a troll at best. At least they're not nearly as big a target for these jokes as say, Frodo and Sam.
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"I hope this is just an example of Mr. Downey's black sense of humor," she said. "It would be drastic, but I would withdraw permission for more films to be made if they feel that is a theme they wish to bring out in the future. I am not hostile to homosexuals, but I am to anyone who is not true to the spirit of the books."
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How the fuck is suggesting somebody might be homosexual black humor? Black humor is, and this is a crude example, laughing at somebody being run over by a bus. A good example of black humor is Sweeny Todd. Downey's comments were more lighthearted than anything.
But, I guess I can't expect too much from somebody who seems like an obsessive fangirl who may just be a little more homophobic than she thinks she is.
"I hope this is just an example of Mr. Downey's black sense of humor," she said. "It would be drastic, but I would withdraw permission for more films to be made if they feel that is a theme they wish to bring out in the future. I am not hostile to homosexuals, but I am to anyone who is not true to the spirit of the books."
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How the fuck is suggesting somebody might be homosexual black humor? Black humor is, and this is a crude example, laughing at somebody being run over by a bus. A good example of black humor is Sweeny Todd. Downey's comments were more lighthearted than anything.
But, I guess I can't expect too much from somebody who seems like an obsessive fangirl who may just be a little more homophobic than she thinks she is.
Wow. Screw this lady. For her info Sir Arthur Conan Doyle got sick of writing Holmes and only did it for the money. He even killed him and brought him back to life in the next book so her point of "true to the spirit of the books" is moot. The spirit of the books was MONEY and not literary integrity. So she needs to just get over it.
Wow, that ***** needs to chill. Actually, some of the best parts of the movie were the two of them quarreling like a married couple, but it doesn't have to be perceived as gay, it's just funny. I'd like to perceive it that way, just because I'm a yaoi fangirl, but I do hope they keep that banter between them.
Glademaster said:
Let's face the facts about me and you, a love unspecified
though I'm proud to call you "chocolate bear"
the crowd will always talk and stare.
I feel exactly those feelings too
and that's why I keep them inside
'cause this bear can't bear the world's disdain
and sometimes it's easier to hide.
Than explain our guy love, that's all it is
guy love he's mine I'm his
there's nothing gay about it in our eyes.
You ask me 'bout this thing we share...
...and he tenderly replies.
It's guy love...
...between two guys.
We're closer than the average man and wife.
That's why our matching bracelets say Turk and J.D.
You know I'll stick by you for the rest of my life...
You're the only man who's ever been inside of me!
Whoa whoa! I just took out his appendix.
There's no need, to clarify...
Oh no?
Just let it grow more and more each day.
It's like I married my best friend...
But in a totally manly way!
Let's go!
It's guy love, don't compromise,
The feeling of some other guy.
Holding up your heart into the sky.
I'll be there to care through all the lows.
I'll be there to share the highs.
It's guy love, between two guys.
And when I say, "I love you, Turk,",
it's not what it implies.
It's guy love
between...
two...
guys.
No hands.
though I'm proud to call you "chocolate bear"
the crowd will always talk and stare.
I feel exactly those feelings too
and that's why I keep them inside
'cause this bear can't bear the world's disdain
and sometimes it's easier to hide.
Than explain our guy love, that's all it is
guy love he's mine I'm his
there's nothing gay about it in our eyes.
You ask me 'bout this thing we share...
...and he tenderly replies.
It's guy love...
...between two guys.
We're closer than the average man and wife.
That's why our matching bracelets say Turk and J.D.
You know I'll stick by you for the rest of my life...
You're the only man who's ever been inside of me!
Whoa whoa! I just took out his appendix.
There's no need, to clarify...
Oh no?
Just let it grow more and more each day.
It's like I married my best friend...
But in a totally manly way!
Let's go!
It's guy love, don't compromise,
The feeling of some other guy.
Holding up your heart into the sky.
I'll be there to care through all the lows.
I'll be there to share the highs.
It's guy love, between two guys.
And when I say, "I love you, Turk,",
it's not what it implies.
It's guy love
between...
two...
guys.
No hands.
But yeah, This is stupid. It's not necessary to make them homosexual, and it's not necessary to be in an outrage over them being homosexual.
Bwahaha! That made me laugh.Sevre90210 said:
On Topic: I agree with her. It would be a complete change of the already fully established character(s).
It's not a slam against homosexuality, it's an attempt to keep things consistent.
This reminds me of an editorial I saw in the Toronto Star (I freaking hate that newspaper) when Lord of the Rings came out, saying how Frodo and Sam were gay, and so was Gandalf. A totally serious editorial. I was utterly outraged.
Not every two guys who are close friends have to be gay. Holmes and Watson certainly aren't gay, and to make them that way is just pandering needlessly to a minor demographic at the expense of any artistic dignity. It'd be reducing a modern-recreation of a classic character into a fan-service that crept from the dark corners of the internet.
No thanks.
I lold a little.Jamash said:
And I think you'll all find that fangirls are way ahead of us on the Holmes/Watson slash front, and have been for years.
...Did she not catch the homosexual subtext in this movie?
Joking aside, RDJ wouldn't play the part if he didn't think he could be true to the character. Really, though, Watson and Holmes had something of a bromantic relationship in the movie. They were friends and Holmes, because he's completely insufferable and friendless, was terrified he was going to lose his bff 4 evar. RDJ said it himself in another interview. "It's like, "I love you dude, but I have other things I need to take care of."
Holmes is nearly a completely sexless being (he's a misogynist in the books, I believe). There's a reason his relationships rarely work out. He needs someone he can intellectually spar with who will never grow tired of it, and he found that in Watson. The only problem being that Watson is a dude. Hell, even if Watson was a girl it wouldn't work out (or, indeed, if the two were gay). Holmes is too wrapped up in himself to ever truly love another person.
Holmes seemed to be portrayed as in love with Watson, but there was nothing sexual about it. It's... they're like... heterogay.
[sub]And now I understand why people compare them to House and Wilson. My word. D:[/sub]
Joking aside, RDJ wouldn't play the part if he didn't think he could be true to the character. Really, though, Watson and Holmes had something of a bromantic relationship in the movie. They were friends and Holmes, because he's completely insufferable and friendless, was terrified he was going to lose his bff 4 evar. RDJ said it himself in another interview. "It's like, "I love you dude, but I have other things I need to take care of."
Holmes is nearly a completely sexless being (he's a misogynist in the books, I believe). There's a reason his relationships rarely work out. He needs someone he can intellectually spar with who will never grow tired of it, and he found that in Watson. The only problem being that Watson is a dude. Hell, even if Watson was a girl it wouldn't work out (or, indeed, if the two were gay). Holmes is too wrapped up in himself to ever truly love another person.
Holmes seemed to be portrayed as in love with Watson, but there was nothing sexual about it. It's... they're like... heterogay.
[sub]And now I understand why people compare them to House and Wilson. My word. D:[/sub]
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whats wrong with homosexuality?
if someone answers taboo, i will facepalm. Its not taboo, its a way of life that some people choose to live. im sure pro-gay activists (such as myself) are getting pissed over this.
whats wrong with homosexuality?
if someone answers taboo, i will facepalm. Its not taboo, its a way of life that some people choose to live. im sure pro-gay activists (such as myself) are getting pissed over this.
There's less to discuss here than what it sounds like, all she's really saying it that, should the director decide that in a sequal the two characters will be fags, then she won't let them make it.
Assuming nobody actually has any intentions of making them butt buddies, then there's no issues..
Assuming nobody actually has any intentions of making them butt buddies, then there's no issues..
Choose to live? I thought the whole argument on gays being treated equally was based on the fact that they didn't have a choice, and shouldn't be looked down upon for something they had no control over?benbenthegamerman said: