Simulationism

[HateDread]

I believe that the "world" we believe in, and live in, is just a simulation. This does bear some similarity to the Matrix, slightly. However, this is not just the planet, this is everywhere and everything in this 'world' (universe, etc).

You see, I believe we are all code. We are not humans 'plugged in', but are just like characters in a game. You know how AI is getting more advanced? Well, this is the result! We are all coded and placed in a simulation, which is also coded and created. Maybe for observation, or maybe 'gamers' play in this simulation like some wannabe-pilots play in flight sims? Recreating events in a realistic replication if life, with no repercussions because we aren't actually real?

Maybe they are the ones going insane and massacring? Because they have no fear of death, since they are only 'playing' a character, they can do anything that we would be too afraid to do. That character was created by them, but they provided a back-story/history, implemented that character into people's minds, maybe as a father, brother, etc, and with all the right tweaks, they just appeared and everyone thought it was normal? That or they took control of a character already created, like they could be with me right now, making me post. Makes me seem crazy, so you don't believe me! They are cunning.

Those considered 'insane' could be trial-and-error examples left within the world to provide an example to future coders? Not quite sure on that one.

Also, the fact that my code allows me to have these thoughts, shows that the 'creators' wanted to allow me to think that, so you all then use it as an argument to disprove my belief. They are using it as defense of the system. You see, if we figure it out, the simulation does not work. Like an ant farm that sees you and just freezes - you can't observe it in it's natural state.

I have no idea about the origins of The Creators, but I am sure they are technologically advanced, and are from what we could call the 'future' in comparison to our time-scale.

But here is another thing - this simulation could have been created a year ago, a month ago, or right when I post this topic! All they must create is a back-story (eg. history itself), characters, and memories and lives for those characters, and BAM, you have life that has supposedly existed for this amount of time (however many billions of years), that has possibly, in reality, (not a pun) existed for only a few moments.

How do we know The Creators are what we believe to be 'human', or 'normal'? Maybe we're the aliens in their little scheme?

I know it's a touchy subject, but religion could be a defense mechanism - people believe in god, and creationism, and so I seem like I'm bat-shit insane, and nothing compared to their faith. Again, the system's defenses are in play!

But here is the main question- you thinking me crazy is just a defense mechanism. So I could be speaking the truth. How do you know?

 

[Abedeus]

I believe that the "world" we believe in, and live in, is just a simulation. This does bear some similarity to the Matrix, slightly. However, this is not just the planet, this is everywhere and everything in this 'world' (universe, etc).

Good joke.

If it's not a joke, you should stop watching the Matrix, Vanilla Sky and Abre los Ojos and seek professional help. Best with a mallet, if possible.


edit: Okay, I'll destroy your world.

If the Creators didn't want people to find out they are just a bunch of code lines, why would they allow Matrix to be recognized world-wide?


Psssshhh.

 

[HateDread]

Because if we all watch the Matrix, a fictional movie, then you read my posts, it would seem I was believing in what was not meant to be 'real', since we all know that movie was made by the 'characters' who wrote it, directed it, produced it, etc.

 

[Cpt_Oblivious]

Heretic! We are but brains in vats!!

 

[oliveira8]

Yes I believe that all of us are just one bad Nintendo 64 game being played by one lousy Japanese kid.

And he is running out lives, and theres no cheats.

Edit: The Matrix is not even that good.

 

[HateDread]

Yes I believe that all of us are just one bad Nintendo 64 game being played by one lousy Japanese kid.

And he is running out lives, and theres no cheats.

Edit: The Matrix is not even that good.

That's arguable, for the first one, at least.

But, that is not my point, at all. I am using it as way of conveying my message in a as-sane-as-possible way. Obviously that is not working.

And FYI - this is no joke. This is what I believe in, and think about. I was hoping for an intelligent discussion. Surely somebody shares my views on this simulation?

 

[Goldeneye1989]

in the end does it really matter if we are or are not, being code will not effect our own life or perceived vison of life (a debate for another day).

the search for Why we do what we do, as well as what we came from confuses me. will it change who you are, what you do, how you enjoy life if tyou do at all. for me there is one universial truth that has been passed down in my family for geneartions

"you will succed as a parent if you made the childhood of your children better then your own"

(the debate as who your parents are is also a question for another day, "your biological" or your "adopted", ect.)

it dosent matter if we are all programed, the program has been devised so that we have free choice.

 

[Goldeneye1989]

also in comment to your "stimulation ideals directly"

that there are creators and controlers that we cannot see, that we are controled by a far greater power dosent not seem as outlandish as some other mainstream religions

Christianity and judiasm: that a loving creator is both vengeful and uncondishionaly(?) loving.
Scientology: ....
insert whatever you beleive in

 

[oliveira8]

Yes I believe that all of us are just one bad Nintendo 64 game being played by one lousy Japanese kid.

And he is running out lives, and theres no cheats.

Edit: The Matrix is not even that good.

That's arguable, for the first one, at least.

But, that is not my point, at all. I am using it as way of conveying my message in a as-sane-as-possible way. Obviously that is not working.

And FYI - this is no joke. This is what I believe in, and think about. I was hoping for an intelligent discussion. Surely somebody shares my views on this simulation?

Theres no sane people. Just people that are a little less insane than others.

Also who cares? Would meeting the creators do us any good? Dont we all have better stuff to theorycraft? Like who is the G-Man? Or why does my sister's cat eats my cookies when I'm not looking?

 

[Wildhound]

Actually you're not the first person to come up with this notion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_Reality

If you look at the arguments for a simulated reality [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_Reality#We_are_living_in_a_simulation] you will see that if you accept the (quite reasonable) premises, then it is actually condsiderably more likely that we are living in a simulation than not.

That doesn't mean I believe it. To be honest I don't care one way or another. Interesting though.

 

[zen5887]

Ohh man..

Maybe too many movies and games DO have negative effects on people minds.

 

[bookboy]

have you considered becoming a philosopher? you could very well argue your position, as it seems very similar to buddhist philosophy. (they believe everything is but an illusion, nothing really exists).

 

[HateDread]

in the end does it really matter if we are or are not, being code will not effect our own life or perceived vison of life (a debate for another day).

the search for Why we do what we do, as well as what we came from confuses me. will it change who you are, what you do, how you enjoy life if tyou do at all. for me there is one universial truth that has been passed down in my family for geneartions

"you will succed as a parent if you made the childhood of your children better then your own"

(the debate as who your parents are is also a question for another day, "your biological" or your "adopted", ect.)

it dosent matter if we are all programed, the program has been devised so that we have free choice.

But do we have 'free choice'? It is entirely possible that we are programmed with underlying agenda's, that one would consider 'sub-conscious'. This could link back to my massacres - maybe they were given no choice, but were instead tricked into believing they had this choice, and so they then proceeded to wipe out those that were considered 'bad' by The Creators? And the victims were in that place due to an alteration of the factors - maybe their bus was 'made' late via programming, so they were in the line-of-fine, killed, and stopped from creating a mess, which The Creators would need to mop up.

Like a Minority Report preemptive strike, but inside our simulation. It could be governed by programs designed by The Creators inside the simulation itself, so The Creators need not monitor every single detail.

So, then, do we even have free choice? Or are we deluded into thinking we have free choice, by alteration of the factors used in making the supposed 'decision'?

have you considered becoming a philosopher? you could very well argue your position, as it seems very similar to buddhist philosophy. (they believe everything is but an illusion, nothing really exists).

That is of course a possibility. Thank you for your contribution.

Yes I believe that all of us are just one bad Nintendo 64 game being played by one lousy Japanese kid.

And he is running out lives, and theres no cheats.

Edit: The Matrix is not even that good.

That's arguable, for the first one, at least.

But, that is not my point, at all. I am using it as way of conveying my message in a as-sane-as-possible way. Obviously that is not working.

And FYI - this is no joke. This is what I believe in, and think about. I was hoping for an intelligent discussion. Surely somebody shares my views on this simulation?

Theres no sane people. Just people that are a little less insane than others.

Also who cares? Would meeting the creators do us any good? Dont we all have better stuff to theorycraft? Like who is the G-Man? Or why does my sister's cat eats my cookies when I'm not looking?

In our current form, we could not meet The Creators and believe it. The system's defense systems (us trying to not be what is considered "insane") stop us from believing in such a thing, so as to preserve the idea and the effectiveness/realism of the simulation.

If we were re-written? Who knows? But would we be re-written into a form that still had questions like mine and yours, that would then be answered by The Creators, or would we re-written into a form that had constant communication with The Creators, and knew all along? Could provide different results and probably helpful to The Creators to ascertain if they themselves are like us - within a simulation.

But now I ask - how would The Creators respond, if they discovered we were 'onto them'? And on a different note - why would they be doing this, and what would it do for them? One last thing - we could be a simulation created by The Creators within a simulation created by their 'creators', and so on and so forth. This could stack millions of times tracing back to the true 'reality'. But what would it be, and what would it consist of/be inhabited by, and would they be able to see our lowly simulation down here, several million 'stacks' below, just by looking through them all (like windows all in one long row)? Or are we their one prized possession?

 

[oliveira8]

Yes I believe that all of us are just one bad Nintendo 64 game being played by one lousy Japanese kid.

And he is running out lives, and theres no cheats.

Edit: The Matrix is not even that good.

That's arguable, for the first one, at least.

But, that is not my point, at all. I am using it as way of conveying my message in a as-sane-as-possible way. Obviously that is not working.

And FYI - this is no joke. This is what I believe in, and think about. I was hoping for an intelligent discussion. Surely somebody shares my views on this simulation?

Theres no sane people. Just people that are a little less insane than others.

Also who cares? Would meeting the creators do us any good? Dont we all have better stuff to theorycraft? Like who is the G-Man? Or why does my sister's cat eats my cookies when I'm not looking?

In our current form, we could not meet The Creators and believe it. The system's defense systems (us trying to not be what is considered "insane") stop us from believing in such a thing, so as to preserve the idea and the effectiveness/realism of the simulation.

If we were re-written? Who knows? But would we be re-written into a form that still had questions like mine and yours, that would then be answered by The Creators, or would we re-written into a form that had constant communication with The Creators, and knew all along? Could provide different results and probably helpful to The Creators to ascertain if they themselves are like us - within a simulation.

But now I ask - how would The Creators respond, if they discovered we were 'onto them'? And on a different note - why would they be doing this, and what would it do for them? One last thing - we could be a simulation created by The Creators within a simulation created by their 'creators', and so on and so forth. This could stack millions of times tracing back to the true 'reality'. But what would it be, and what would it consist of/be inhabited by, and would they be able to see our lowly simulation down here, several million 'stacks' below, just by looking through them all (like windows all in one long row)? Or are we their one prized possession?

Dude, our idea is just Sci-Fi meets Christianity and Bhudism. The Creators that dont reveal themself to us=God the notion that this all is just an illusion=Bhudism, and The Matrix.

What you believe is just a reash of other beliefs. You might be right and they might be wrong, its just another idea to why we here. Don't waste your life trying to figure it all out and just live life, wether it be a simulation or reality.

 

[Lord George]

Crap they figured it out, quick find the reset button.

 

[Handofpwn]

Oh crap, oh crap, where is my invincibility cheat? I wrote it down somewhere. ahh... good... that virus was about to kill me...

 

[Jamash]

You see, I believe we are all code. We are not humans 'plugged in', but are just like characters in a game.

You sound just like that tripping kid in Fable: The Lost Chapters who ate all those magic mushrooms, but not as funny or original.

Ha ha, Ninja'd by Peter Molyneux.

 

[Snor]

now we only need tinfoil hats and put this together with North Korea threads to make this a complot theory site

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Anyways, here is one, if you were right then these people/objects running the simulation would be onto you, they would delete you.

Evidence that anything was deleted would be proof positive that reality is a simulation. If people who believed that our reality was a simulation were deleted, as evidenced by the idea not being publicly discussed, then that would be incontrovertible proof and they would have to delete a lot of smart people.

 

[StarStruckStrumpets]

This is one of the reasons why films that are "cool" shouldn't be allowed to become mainstream.