Since when was Being a Man Unattractive?

[Macgyvercas]

Who the hell picks an "I want to bang you" jerk over a Chivalris Knight in Shining Armor, anyway?!

OP, take my advice. If any girl prefers the former option, she's not worth it. At all.

Because the jerk won't be a clingy, whiny crybaby over everything? The jerk will most likely care about what they look like? I don't get why people condemn women just because they have standards that don't include "lonely nerd".

You don't have to be a nerd to be chivalrous. I've come across loads of men who are not the least bit nerdy and have chivalry to rival that of the Middle Ages (incidently, one of my two favorite time periods). And BTW, chivalry is more about being courtious and respectful, not being a clingy jerk.

The mentality of "I respect women until they don't sleep with me, then they're sluts." Isn't chivalrous, it's quite the opposite by the way it's rather misogynistic.

I don't know what OP is refering to, but the kind of chivalry I was talking about is "I respect women. Period."

Except in the post I originally quoted you're clearly not respecting all women or their choices. You're only respecting the ones that want to bang the lonely white knighting nerds.

Okay, I don't care if it means losing this debate, but I'm going to end it here before I lose my temper and get banned. Agree to disagree?

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

Eh. Women are stupid. Guys are dicks. Eventually we'll all be dead, and it wont matter WHO beat whom, who fell in love forever, and who died lonely.

Deep man.

Like a well.

 

[Burningsok]

What happened to chivalry? During my whole childhood my dad taught me to be respectful to women. I would open doors for them, I wouldn't cuss in front of them, I would help them when they needed it. Hell the only fight I ever got into was beacuse I saw some dude hit a girl.

Yet after everything I do, I'm still left for the douchebag whose only goal is to get in her pants? I see it all the time. It is always some thug or some hippie/emo whatever who thinks he cool. I mean it seems that you have to spend over 20 minutes each day on your hair in order to get noticed anymore.

I wish I was born at least 2 generations ago.


EDIT:

Just to be clear, I don't assume every girl in the world should love me. All I am asking is why does it seem like girls like a-holes instead of decent people.

Keep doing what your doing, your too good for those kinds of chicks. Also some girls for some reason like the bad boys, but are so ridiculously stupid that they will be dumped at some point. The saying nice guys finish last is a bit mixed up; it should be nice guys finish(PERIOD) because just having sex doesn't mean you've finished

 

[Mr.Pandah]

You're right. The problem is clearly with everyone else in the world except you.

Definitely this. I'm so sick of the "girls love assholes" stereotype, did ya ever stop to think that maybe they like them because they're confident? Or that maybe they're not assholes, but rather they just appear that way in your distorted view of the world?

Here's a tip: It's good to be nice to girls, but don't try to act like a complete gentlemen all the time, otherwise you'll be seen as nothing other than a friend. Rather, flirt and joke around a bit, so they see you as possible dating material than just a "sweet guy", and make your move.

Bingo.

 

[HTID Raver]

yes this is sad

 

[Benjeezy]

You're right. The problem is clearly with everyone else in the world except you.

Correct!

 

[MarxonSR1]

I'm all for chivalry, I practice it. I don't tend to expect it to get me anywhere I do it because I think I should.

I have to work to get the girl to like me. Chivalry is a first impressions thing.

Girls don't go for idiots they go for guys they think they like, these guys seem idiotic to you, we would call some men 'slick'. But women like them for varying periods of time. These guys are usually confident and at ease. Over-use of chivalry can sometime make you seem like you're trying too hard. It all depends on what goes with it.

Some girls enjoy men who don't give them everything on a platter(to put it metaphorically), who enjoy the chase of men. Like the silhouette of a dark figure the mystery is seductive. Also it can be perceived as a bit old fashioned.

But chivalry to me is something I do. I wish you all luck and hope you find a girl who appreciates you.

 

[Kuchinawa212]

Good guys always finish last? I mean I noticed it too. Tough guys get the chicks, I go rather unnoticed I guess that works for me

 

[DoctorWisconsin]

Protip: Girls like Chivalry AND Confidence. Combine these skills to effectively woo a classy lady.

 

[Necrofudge]

Chivalry, as the cliche says, is dead. Seriously.

I feel sad for everyone where you grew up.

We still like to be respectful towards other here. You can't go around thinking life is going to always be like it is when you are in school with a bunch of other young and frankly mostly immature people.

Tell us more of this magical world you speak of. I've never heard of such a place.

 

[quiet_samurai]

What happened to chivalry? During my whole childhood my dad taught me to be respectful to women. I would open doors for them, I wouldn't cuss in front of them, I would help them when they needed it. Hell the only fight I ever got into was beacuse I saw some dude hit a girl.

Yet after everything I do, I'm still left for the douchebag whose only goal is to get in her pants? I see it all the time. It is always some thug or some hippie/emo whatever who thinks he cool. I mean it seems that you have to spend over 20 minutes each day on your hair in order to get noticed anymore.

I wish I was born at least 2 generations ago.

Chivalry is good, and dispite what people say it isn't dead. It just takes more then chivalry alone to succeed with women. It sounds like what you are hoping for is that you will do all these chivalrous things and she will notice it, thus her making the first move or relating her feelings for you without you having to take the risk.

It's not that these douchey guys are getting them becaue their lack of chivalry, it's because most guys like the ones you describe are confident. They tell the girls that like them or want to hook up with them. They act... you wait, be a little more forward and don't be afraid to make a move.

Also, there is nothing wrong with wanting to look nice or someone being attracted to you because you look nice... thnking there's something wrong with that is just jealousy.

 

[manaman]

Chivalry, as the cliche says, is dead. Seriously.

I feel sad for everyone where you grew up.

We still like to be respectful towards other here. You can't go around thinking life is going to always be like it is when you are in school with a bunch of other young and frankly mostly immature people.

Tell us more of this magical world you speak of. I've never heard of such a place.

Start on the west coast in California, and head north. The further north you go the nicer the people will get. At one point you will come to a place called Portland, Oregon. You might think you have found the promised land, but this is just a taste of what is to come. Continue north along the path known as I-5, until you find the true promised land. If everyone starts ending their sentences with "eh" you went to far north.

 

[Kinguendo]

Well thats the first time I have seen Hippie and Emo in the same vein... confusing...

I don't know that much about hippies, but didn't they fill the same cultural niche for their respective generations in their identifiable costume and personality stereotype as a subculture that existed in some form as a backlash against or consequence of the mainstream culture and values?

Please tell me if I've misinterpreted the two as I probably know less about this than I should.

On Topic: isn't the perceived female attraction to jerks a derivative of the instincts that make the alpha male the most desirable one, and that once these girls leave high school they are drawn to partners who share a common interest other than sex? (at least in general)

Also, I don't think feminists intended to kill chivalry, it just got confused with its more hardy relation chauvinism and became a casualty of equal opportunity law reforms.

Well that can be said for any group... Goths, Chavs, etc.

I certainly wouldnt put "Chav/Goth" ever... well unless I was writting something about a "Chav/Goth alliance".

But yeah, Emos and Hippies arent exactly interchangable except as maybe a cultural fad of different decades. They arent similar at all... other than both being quite annoying.

 

[Kinguendo]

Well thats the first time I have seen Hippie and Emo in the same vein... confusing...

you sir, have not watched enough south park.

Untrue, I have seen all the episodes of South Park.

 

[Singularly Datarific]

The secret is, do things that keep you around girls for extended periods of time. That way they see what a great guy you are

Just don't end up gay.
(No offense, sorry)

 

[funksobeefy]

bitches aint shit but hoes and tricks!

 

[Srkkl]

Because most of the women today like to be insulted and used as cheap hoes. It validates them.

 

[T3h Merc]

Hey, it's a common problem. I've been punched in my err... downstairs by a girl who thought that opening a door for her was an implication of her inability to do it for herself. Did I yell at her? No. Did I swear vigourously? Hell yes.

 

[T3h Merc]

Here's the thing. As a feminist I'm opposed to sexist behaviour. Chivalry in my experience is politeness code for men when around women. This means that a qualifying point for receiving that politeness is being a particular sex. That's sexist.

If you'd like a less convoluted version think of this. Holding a door only for women is sexist. Holding a door for anyone is polite.

Further distinction needs to be made between a nice person and Nice Guy (tm). The latter is a manipulative, narcissistic person who blames women for his own shortcomings and for his inability to find dates when he is only out to get laid and manipulative to do so. The Nice Guy (tm) uses the guise of friendship in order to get close to women then complains when they won't sleep with him because he is a friend. It's that kind of misrepresentation of intentions that pisses us off. More information here [http://www.heartlessbitches.com/rants/niceguys/ng.shtml].

OK. Step off your high-horse for a second here. I'm a shy guy who has trouble making my feelings understood, I definitely DO care about the girl in question but I like to try to be friends at first because it breaks the ice. (Coming from the guy who has spent 4 years of his life trying to get one feminist girl).

 

[recoverytwo]

Protip: Girls like Chivalry AND Confidence. Combine these skills to effectively woo a classy lady.

Like your mom.

(penny arcade reference)