Skyrim to be a console port which "shouldn't be too hard"

[AndyFromMonday]

I'm not going to spend my money on a console port. I see no reason to do so when they choose to ignore their main audience and shift the responsibilities of actually making the game work properly unto modders Fuck you Bethesda and an especially big fuck you to all publishers.

 

[ZombieGenesis]

Apparently someone hasn't played stock Oblivion. Skyrim will be the same.

personally - I have it on the PC and the 360 and love both versions. I actually enjoy the 360 version better as alot of the interface was obviously made for the console.

Essentially I'm in the same boat.
I bought the xbox 360 version of Oblivion and played that for years, and I loved it to pieces, brilliant game. Eventually though I did get bored of its limitations and moved onto the PC version (and once I actually managed to get my 200+ mods running) I found it to be vastly superior to the point of mindblowing.
So I can KIND of see why PC gamers would be annoyed, but until those unofficial add ons come about, we still have a great game.

 

[remedyX]

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To be fair, they've spent 5 years developing it for the 360, or so it would seem.

You're effectively palming off responsibility for PC devs to bugtest onto the community. Which hardly seems fair.

-edit-corrected palming/pawning

I understand that and essentially I agree with you... but we don't know if it's going to need that yet.

Now New Vegas on the other hand, should not have even been released in the state it was in, let alone at full price.

I'll withold judgement out of level-headedness.

I enjoyed Fallout 3, and although Morrowind/Oblivion weren't to my tastes I feel that if they manage to make a well animated, decent combat game I'll be in. I just find all the movements and objects/faces really immersion breaking.

 

[Scizophrenic Llama]

People have no faith at all. I should start bitching about PC ports to consoles. The Witcher 2 is going to suck so much on the 360, because it was on a PC first! The Xbox has no keyboard or mouse! This can't work at all!

Seriously though, calm the fuck down. Bethesda is a good developer, even if the UI is crappy the modding tools should hopefully be out with the game and I'm pretty sure there would be a fix for the UI up within the first two days of the game being out.

 

[Liudeius]

As a PS3 gamer, I take issue with that (not really, but I don't see the point behind PC gamers complaining). We never even got all the official add-ons for Oblivion.
But why does it matter for PC's? You guys can actually mod it. If it's too simplistic for you, just wait a few months and someone will have a combat patch out (and a bug fix patch that makes the game not broken).

 

[Liudeius]

I'm not going to spend my money on a console port. I see no reason to do so when they choose to ignore their main audience and shift the responsibilities of actually making the game work properly unto modders Fuck you Bethesda and an especially big fuck you to all publishers.

You do realize that if porting will really bring up so many bugs, porting from the PC to the consoles would screw anyone who uses a console. Yeah, PC gamers may have to fix a few more bugs than 360's, but you actually can fix them. (and it isn't as if you will be doing any of the player-bug fixing, so stop your complaining)

 

[mr.mystery]

lets judge it when we plan it hmmm?

 

[Lenriak]

Yeah, how dare Bethesda charge you full price for a game they've spent 5 years working on which will probably give you more hours playtime than 5 or 6 other mainstream titles put together.

Strong in this one, the sense of entitlement is.

My post has NOTHING to do with any sense of entitlement.

I just believe that a product of ANY kind from ANY industry should be of the highest possible standard that it can be. I don't know about you, but I'd expect higher standards from anybody who dares to call themselves PROFESSIONALS, especially if I believe I can do a better job than they can. Currently that goes DOUBLE seeing as I'm unemployed and looking for a job right now. A lazy port (to ANY platform) is not what I would call "The Best It Could Be", no matter how long the development time of the product in question was or how many people worked on it.

I also believe in "Fair Pay for a Hard Days Work". So as far as I'm concerned if it takes modders to make a game good - then I'd like to pay them rather than the monkeys that originally worked on the title. In my own little idea of a perfect world, if certain aspects of a game were good but everything else was garbage, then I'd like to pay money to those responsible for the good and give a kick in the teeth to those that did the bad and tell them to learn to do their jobs better. And I can tell the difference between a crappy job and an attempt at something new or unusual that didn't work out.

Is "fairness" and "standards" too much to ask for nowadays?

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Well look on the bright side. You guys get all the cool mods and will ultimately end up with the better game.

Yep. I'm playing on the 360. Meaning I get none of the delicious mods. Instead watching LPs with them installed like a poor kid looking into the toy shop. Games like this are made legendary by their community support.

 

[Liudeius]

*All that stuff*

Well I'm clearly not going to get anywhere trying to argue with someone who is so extremely biased and vulgar. (Talk about PC elitism here.)

 

[Racecarlock]

(Rant alert)

I'm sorry, but where the hell is the evidence that Skyrim is going to be a shitty PC port? Sure, it'll be a PC port, but what the hell suggests it's going to be a bad one? Bethesda listens to fans, and I think they care about the PC audience as much as they do the console audience. What's most troubling about some of the posts in this thread is that alot of people seem to think that Bethesda is going to make it shitty on purpose. And again, where is the evidence? Until someone shows me a direct quote from the developer saying something along the lines of "We're going to directly and deliberately wreck the Skyrim PC port because we just hate PC gamers that much", i'm going to dismiss this as chicken-little-sky-is-falling bullshit.

 

[Zhukov]

I'm also not crying that the PC isn't the elite platform, but I think DA2/ME2/Just Cause 2 still leaves a bad taste in the PC gamers mouth.

Uh... what? They all worked just fine on PC.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

*All that stuff*

Well I'm clearly not going to get anywhere trying to argue with someone who is so extremely biased and vulgar. (Talk about PC elitism here.)

Ad hominems are not a good way to stop a debate, just saying. You clearly didn't read "all that stuff" because if you did you would've understood why I said consoles are dumbing down gaming. It's the hardware, buddy. You obviously ignored a big part of what I said, clearly only focusing on the part where I said consoles dumb down games, which they totally do, but not for the reasons you believe. For some reason my usage of swearing offended you on some level, you've made that quite clear, even though none of it was directed at you. Anyways,

Good day, sir. I believe our discussion is no longer worth pursuing as we both know we shan't reach an agreeable conclusion.

 

[Liudeius]

Ad hominems are not a good way to stop a debate, just saying. You clearly didn't read "all that stuff" because if you did you would've understood why I said consoles are dumbing down gaming. It's the hardware, buddy. You obviously ignored a big part of what I said, clearly only focusing on the part where I said consoles dumb down games, which they totally do, but not for the reasons you believe. For some reason my usage of swearing offended you on some level, you've made that quite clear, even though none of it was directed at you. Anyways,

Good day, sir. I believe our discussion is no longer worth pursuing as we both know we shan't reach an agreeable conclusion.

I'm not trying to stop a debate, I am merely stating the fact, your argument was horribly worded. It assumed absolute superiority of PC's without a single exception, and as insulting to anyone but the most dedicated PC gamer.
Offensive, logic lacking arguments are not a good way to prove your point, nor is denying the invalidity of your arguments on the basis that "you didn't read them closely enough".

I also like how you ended with the exact same thing I said, just so you could feel sophisticated and non-biased.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Is "fairness" and "standards" too much to ask for nowadays?

No, I apologize, my bad.

We don't know Skyrim will be as buggy as their other games yet, I guess my point is that there's no point getting mad at them until we get the game. Innocent until proven guilty or whatever.

Now New Vegas, as I said earlier, is an example of something that should never have been released as it was, especially at full price. If Skyrim turns out as broken and fucked up as that game was, I'll be right there with you criticising them for it.

 

[Keava]

To be perfectly honest? Unless they mess up the M+K controls to the point of unplayable or limit modding in any way i do not care. Last TES i game i played "pure" was Daggerfall. I don't play those for the original product, i always use mods because they do improve the experience, whenever it's redesigned cities, higher-rez textures, better models, new combat mechanics etc.

Any case of bad streamlining can be fixed by modding community. That's the beauty of modable games. More developers should allow it and let consumers decide how they wan to play their products.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

I'm not going to spend my money on a console port. I see no reason to do so when they choose to ignore their main audience and shift the responsibilities of actually making the game work properly unto modders Fuck you Bethesda and an especially big fuck you to all publishers.

You do realize that if porting will really bring up so many bugs, porting from the PC to the consoles would screw anyone who uses a console. Yeah, PC gamers may have to fix a few more bugs than 360's, but you actually can fix them. (and it isn't as if you will be doing any of the player-bug fixing, so stop your complaining)

So what? The Elder Scrolls was originally a PC franchise and the only reason YOU get to play your tidy, neat, dumbed down game is because PC gamers spent their hard earned fucking money to support this shitty company. The only reason Bethesda still exists is because PC gamers everywhere bought their shitty games and here we are, 8 years later getting screwed over for supporting them. Yeah, thanks Bethesda.

And who gives a shit if "we" can actually fix them or not. Not only do we have to pay the same price as everyone else for this piece of shit console port but we also get to fix our own bugs? That's fun. At the same time we also get a dumbed down game with shitty AI and even shittier gameplay. Yeah, no thanks. I'm not supporting a company that turns on their core audience and I'm tired of these condescending remarks that you keep making. The fact that the PC allows for games to be exploited data wise does not mean we should have to make our own patches. The developer released a game, at full price mind you, so they should support it on every single platform rather than release a buggy port and hope no one gets pissed. Gaming should be done right for every platform. I'm tired of developers exploiting PC gaming only to turn on them just like that. It's insulting the way PC gamers are treated nowadays. "Oh, you want the game to? Sure, you can have it. There's a catch though. The game is filled with shit and we're sure as hell not going to be cleaning it. Your job buddy. By the way, 50 bucks upfront!"

But hey, we're all pals here right? It's not like the PC is responsible for the success of a dozen companies that are now high profile "console" developers. No, we deserve getting shit thrown at our faces for supporting them. We're all just pirates and hackers that don't give a fuck about the industry. We deserve restrictive DRM schemes and crappy console ports. No, really, we do.

Let's also talk about consoles for a bit. Games tend to be dumbed down for consoles and Skyrim is no exception. Let's face it, 512 MB of RAM just doesn't cut it anymore and that's really starting to show in newer games. The moment you attempt to create a living, breathing city consoles start huffing and puffing like they're going to have a heart attack. Just look at Red Dead Redemption or an even better example, Portal 2. It's bullshit that gaming has devolved into its current state, where simplicity is accepted over complexity but it's even more bullshit gamers actually buy into this crap, continuing to shell out money so publishers can continue fucking us in the ass.

Yikes, someone is entitled.

Look, want to know why the console market is bigger now? Because it has almost the same capabilities as PC and it's much harder to pirate. We buy more games, in basic terms. We also don't throw a fit whenever the dev changes something.

Bethesda is a company. They may make money by making games, but they still need to make money. Just because they make things you enjoy doesn't mean that their entire purpose in live is to make things for you. They aren't "betraying" their core audience by putting the emphasis on consoles in the same way that Subway didn't "betray" their core audience by starting to advertise their food as healthy. Console gamers buy more, don't throw as many tantrums, and you don't have to worry about making it for old operating systems or anything like that.

 

[Daxent]

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I'm not going to spend my money on a console port. I see no reason to do so when they choose to ignore their main audience and shift the responsibilities of actually making the game work properly unto modders Fuck you Bethesda and an especially big fuck you to all publishers.

You do realize that if porting will really bring up so many bugs, porting from the PC to the consoles would screw anyone who uses a console. Yeah, PC gamers may have to fix a few more bugs than 360's, but you actually can fix them. (and it isn't as if you will be doing any of the player-bug fixing, so stop your complaining)

So what? The Elder Scrolls was originally a PC franchise and the only reason YOU get to play your tidy, neat, dumbed down game is because PC gamers spent their hard earned fucking money to support this shitty company. The only reason Bethesda still exists is because PC gamers everywhere bought their shitty games and here we are, 8 years later getting screwed over for supporting them. Yeah, thanks Bethesda.

And who gives a shit if "we" can actually fix them or not. Not only do we have to pay the same price as everyone else for this piece of shit console port but we also get to fix our own bugs? That's fun. At the same time we also get a dumbed down game with shitty AI and even shittier gameplay. Yeah, no thanks. I'm not supporting a company that turns on their core audience and I'm tired of these condescending remarks that you keep making. The fact that the PC allows for games to be exploited data wise does not mean we should have to make our own patches. The developer released a game, at full price mind you, so they should support it on every single platform rather than release a buggy port and hope no one gets pissed. Gaming should be done right for every platform. I'm tired of developers exploiting PC gaming only to turn on them just like that. It's insulting the way PC gamers are treated nowadays. "Oh, you want the game to? Sure, you can have it. There's a catch though. The game is filled with shit and we're sure as hell not going to be cleaning it. Your job buddy. By the way, 50 bucks upfront!"

But hey, we're all pals here right? It's not like the PC is responsible for the success of a dozen companies that are now high profile "console" developers. No, we deserve getting shit thrown at our faces for supporting them. We're all just pirates and hackers that don't give a fuck about the industry. We deserve restrictive DRM schemes and crappy console ports. No, really, we do.

Let's also talk about consoles for a bit. Games tend to be dumbed down for consoles and Skyrim is no exception. Let's face it, 512 MB of RAM just doesn't cut it anymore and that's really starting to show in newer games. The moment you attempt to create a living, breathing city consoles start huffing and puffing like they're going to have a heart attack. Just look at Red Dead Redemption or an even better example, Portal 2. It's bullshit that gaming has devolved into its current state, where simplicity is accepted over complexity but it's even more bullshit gamers actually buy into this crap, continuing to shell out money so publishers can continue fucking us in the ass.

Yikes, someone is entitled.

Look, want to know why the console market is bigger now? Because it has almost the same capabilities as PC and it's much harder to pirate. We buy more games, in basic terms. We also don't throw a fit whenever the dev changes something.

Bethesda is a company. They may make money by making games, but they still need to make money. Just because they make things you enjoy doesn't mean that their entire purpose in live is to make things for you. They aren't "betraying" their core audience by putting the emphasis on consoles in the same way that Subway didn't "betray" their core audience by starting to advertise their food as healthy. Console gamers buy more, don't throw as many tantrums, and you don't have to worry about making it for old operating systems or anything like that.

Do you know the process for pirating a X360 game? It's just as easy, if not even easier than pirating a PC game. There's no restrictive DRM (other than the few useless security updates that Microsoft does every once in a while) to get in your way. PC on the other hand...yeah.

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Console piracy has been huge since the PSX. Japanese imports, anyone?

 

[Matthew Valkanov]

All I see is people whining about the theoretical possibility of having a game that is a tad buggier than the console version, all the while paying less than their console-using colleagues and having access to a host of improvements the rest of us will never see.
I also enjoy the sheer arrogance of the people who consider not being pandered to exclusively as equivalent to being shat on the face. The way you go on about it, one would think you were dating bloody Bethesda...AND, to add insult to arrogance, some of them feel entitled because the franchise was originally on the PC...Using that wonderful brilliant leap of logic perhaps we console-users should feel entitled since the very first video game, "Tennis for Two", was made on a consolised computer using an oscillascope as a screen and CONTROLLERS to play it. Maybe the gaming industry owes US a little for that!
But no, that would be idiotic. Instead of acting snobbishly and with a sense of "The world owes me" equalled only by ancient Chinese Emperors, maybe you should just enjoy the game when it comes out? Frankly the amount of vitriol I'm seeing here for a choice of gaming platform is somewhat frightening and depressing...

 

[Barrelroller]

Expecting a bloody scroll wheel support isn't being 'entitled'. I always wished console games had some PC exclusive features, and that mods, fixes or customisation wouldn't be restricted to either buying the sequel or voiding your warranty. Shit, I can't believe the division between PC gamers and console gamers on this forum. It's just too much. Even /v/ on 4chan is less crazy than the latest threads I've seen here.

It's obvious that the 360 would be the lead platform. They're targeting that big, fat mainstream check and in doing so the disappointed voices shout that they're further changing the game farther away from the things that made people fans of the franchise.

Looking forward to Skyrim. It looks like a big step up from Oblivion, which felt rather hollow and bland.