I believe it'd be more fair to compare Fallout 3 with Oblivion and Fallout: New Vegas with Skyrim. But I'd give the gold to Fallout 3, just for the better character interactions and leveling system.
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Skyrim is way more Dark Age English than Norse, although their are strong similarities between the twoJitters Caffeine said:
OT: Was I the only person who really liked Skyrim then?
To me, I love fallout more than Skyrim. Skyrim is still great but fallout kills with the post apocalyptic environment, which is my second favorite setting (the land of chocolate lesbians is my favorite). I also felt that the weapons in fallout were all different (fat man, two different assault rifles etc), whereas skyrim had Doom axe #342 and Kill bow #267.
Fallout because constantly having to run up to my enemy and mash the attack button without aiming is what turned me off of Skyrim after my first play through. Also in Skyrim either you could win or you couldn't, and the real problem was that there was no pattern of where which group will show up.
Fallout 3 for me. This is just my personal preference, but I liked that there was more structure in Fallout's narrative. I consider the opening from F3 one of the best in any game, ever. New Vegas overall had an even better arc; I loved how the first act feels like an actual journey, Bethesda's never quite nailed that down in all their massive-open-world-exploration games. The closest they got in Skyrim was probably The Throat of The World; that part was really cool, but fairly short. I love the scenarios you end up in in the Fallout games. A good example is the virtual reality sequence in F3, meeting Caesar in New Vegas, the town of cannibals in F3, Tenpenny Tower. Those scenes played out like short stories, with their own little arcs and generally a lot of room for player choice and experimentation. In Elder Scrolls games, there are basically two types of mission: fetch quest and dungeon crawl. I think Skyrim made some good improvements on the ES formula, like that sequence where you infiltrate the Thalmor embassy, but even there it was super linear, and not at all dynamic. It just seems like a missed opportunity. The world was so vast and rich, but al there is to do there is basically combat. The dungeons were a lot better than those in Oblivion though, I'll give Bethesda that. I actually had quite a bit of fun just running around the country side, finding dungeouns and crawling them. It just got to be too much after a while. There's only so many Draugr you can kill and still call it "fun".
Basically, I think of Elder Scrolls games as giant maps. That's not a bad thing, Skyrim was beautiful, and I felt I got my moneys worth out of exploring it. But I think of Fallout as interactive narrative, and I value that higher. I played Skyrim for about 40 hours and I honestly can't tell you anything about the story arc. I guess at some point you can participate in battles between the imperials and stormcloaks? That sounds cool, I wish I had seen that before I lost interest. For all the time I put into that game, the land of Skyrim was almost exactly the same as when I first started, minus a couple thousand draugr.
Can't fuckin wait for Fallout 4, zomg take my money now 0_o
Basically, I think of Elder Scrolls games as giant maps. That's not a bad thing, Skyrim was beautiful, and I felt I got my moneys worth out of exploring it. But I think of Fallout as interactive narrative, and I value that higher. I played Skyrim for about 40 hours and I honestly can't tell you anything about the story arc. I guess at some point you can participate in battles between the imperials and stormcloaks? That sounds cool, I wish I had seen that before I lost interest. For all the time I put into that game, the land of Skyrim was almost exactly the same as when I first started, minus a couple thousand draugr.
Can't fuckin wait for Fallout 4, zomg take my money now 0_o
Bull. Shit.TizzytheTormentor said:
That game has some of the best atmospheric and classical music ever in a game. Ever
Blasting super mutant heads off while Butcher Pete was playing in the background is truly awesome.
OT: I prefer Fallout 3 over Skyrim mainly because of the atmosphere.
Well, that and Wadsworth, the robot butler in the Megaton house. I love his stupid jokes.
That unfortunatly is a diffrence in design focus.Aprilgold said:
In Skyrim and Oblivion, a lot more focus is set on the acctual character interactions and world as a whole rather then the individual set peices. You'll often run into more individuality of characters through your dialog options then anything else. It creates the immersion of being apart of a world rather then walking through one.
the downside is that often individual set peices are reused... a lot. And because the world is defined by interactions, certain approches to the game can lead to a loss of over all experience. Skyrim is ment to be played as a rogue as you can then listen into all the conversation which tie into the main story and better define events and occurances.
there are many times in skyrim where i got mad because my approche to the game was that of the warrior and i ended up missing out quiet a few conversations because they turned on me the instant i walked in the door.
Fallout and New Vegas follow the more traditional design focus. Much like Rift, the witcher, and several other games which follow the traditional RPG design build...
A unique world with unique set peices populated by immobile vendors and roaming mobs...
I loved Fallout 3's music..... I just hated having the radio on while I played the game.neonsword13-ops said:
If I could, I would have gone into the game files and removed every fucking trace of the radio.
I quite enjoyed the ambient music in Fallout 1 and fallout 2.Anthraxus said:
When I played Fallout 3 and New Vegas I tried playing it with the radio on but...... I dont know, the music kinda killed my immersion into the world.
I greatly prefer the ambient music to the radio.
Fallout 3 for me, over Skyrim and New Vegas. I can't really explain what it is, but Skyrim, NV and Morrowind for that matter reside on my shelf with an immense case of "Couldn't give a fuck" syndrome. Never felt the drive to see them to the end, whereas Fallout 3 I did twice, and thinking of going through a third time. I don't even like the story to Fallout 3, I just like the setting.
First of all, any comments concerning New Vegas should be disregarded. This is Fallout 3 vs. Skyrim, not Fallout series vs. Skyrim. The two games are very similar. Most characters are not three dimensional and remain entirely static. The various towns are all visually unique and are inhabited by people with their own concerns and motivations (i.e. the incestuous cannibal town which creeped the hell out of me so much that I actively avoided it almost always, and the city built into a mountain fighting a war with hostile factions that have infiltrated into various levels of society). These similarities can be explained by the fact that they're both Bethesda games. Same team (I'd think), similar gameplay, different focus. I'd agree with Pyro Paul and say that FO3 was designed with individual set pieces in mind, while Skyrim was designed with the whole world in mind.
Nah, I was just using AP to poke fun at the sex scenes.Woodsey said:
I've played every Obsidian game except for the NW2 expansions. None of them impressed me with their writing.
KotOR 2 had its moments and was better written than the original Bioware game, but that's not saying much since I hated KotOR 1. New Vegas was much better written than Fallout 3 but, again, that's like beating a crippled child in a foot race.
So what you're saying is that if you take away all the set pieces and attractions from the settlements, then they all look the same? GREAT POINT THERE SPORT!Pyro Paul said:
All the cities in Skyrim are basically laid out exactly the same. It's always a boring city with stone walkways, stone buildings, and a castle on top of a hill looking down on everything. Nothing ever "wow'd" me in Skyrim. It was always just "oh boy, another goddamn generic medieval walled city with a population that's entirely indistinguishable from the last three I just came from". When I was playing Fallout 3, I would find Little Lamplight or Oasis or Underworld and say "Wow, that's NOTHING like anywhere I've been yet. I can't wait to talk to people here". Sure the buildings in the cities of Skyrim may not be moved around a little, but it's always the same old bullshit every time you walk through those big walled gates.
The problem with what you said was that it was reversed. The world in Skyrim revolves around you, and nothing you do changes what happens. Skyrim plays like the world doesn't want you in it. It practically ignores you. In Fallout 3 and New Vegas, the player interaction with NPCs varies with things like "How will you finish this quest? Do you have high enough Speech to talk your way out of the fight? Do you have high enough Gun skill to notice the bandit leader takes very good care of his revolver? Or will you pay the guy off to avoid the gunfight? Or will you just take your chances in the fight?" All of these things can change depending on your play style. In Skyrim, your interactions with quests are barely ever "Do it, or don't do it" because the quests are rarely ever just "go here and kill everything" or "go here and bring something back". You have no input on how you do the quest.Pyro Paul said:
Fallout plays like old school P&P games. Your personal play style long with your skills can change everything with a quest. Take the "Head of State" quest in Fallout 3 for instance. First you find a group of escaped slaves out in the wasteland who's settlement revolves around the severed head of the Lincoln Memorial, The Great Emancipator. They ask you to go to the site of the Lincoln Memorial to make sure it's safe. When you get there, you find a group of Slavers squatting there. This is the diverging point: You can either follow through with your deal with the Union and make sure they get their "promised land" and kill all the slavers there, or you can go up and talk to the slavers and tell them where the Slaves are hiding. Both of these choices has consequences beyond who ends up living at the Lincoln Memorial. If you clear out the Slavers, the Underworld merchants will sell things cheaper because they're trading with the Union. If you sided with the Slavers, you get into Paradise Falls without any problem because it's a city of Slavers, which they consider you a part of.
There is not a single quest in Skyrim that dynamic. It's always just "kill everything here" or "bring me X" or "bring me x number of y". If the game is feeling a little frisky, you'll get an escort mission to take a person somewhere. The choices in Skyrim are a farce, nothing you do changes anything in the world.
You could always locate and collect the many Unique weapons and bobble heads spread throughout the world. I kind of had trouble finding things I wanted to keep with me in Skyrim because I never had an attachment to any equipment. I wad always looking for the next upgrade because if I didn't have the best thing, I knew I would be at a disadvantage in my next encounter.Razor Z7 said:
Except the Civil War quest-line alone results inJitters Caffeine said:
-4-6 forts, previously occupied by bandits/witches/vampires/etc. etc., being taken over by soldiers of whichever faction you join, who then patrol the roads in the immediate area.
-The entirety of, at least, 4 town's guards being replaced by soldiers from whatever faction you join.
-The Jarl's of, again at least, 4 cities getting replaced.
-The people of said town making comments about who won.
I actually understand the Madonach thing, he only was ever able to "rule" the higher ups of the forsworn while he was in jail, most of the forsworn just did what they had always done, Madonach's death really wouldn't have changed anything since he really wasn't doing that much to being with.TizzytheTormentor said:
It is more like you did something that would result in the slow decline of the forsworn instead of their immediate removal.
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Also as I recall the guild questlines were short because Bethesda decided to scale back then number of radiant quests shortly before launch.
-Originally the companions questline had like 3 radiant quests in between each "main quest", instead of the like 1 we have now.
-The Dark-brotherhood is OK in length to me, though most people dont seem to know that Nazir has like 6 more contracts besides the ones you have to do for him for the DB main quest, which I could see as why it would seem short when your missing out on 6 kills.
-The Thieves guild is the one most people just miss the big picture. Brynolf makes mention several times that AFTER you beat Merecer AND restore the guild to its former glory THEN you are the guild Master.
Most people I have talked too somehow missed the fact that you have to do, at least, 25 jobs for Vex/Delving before you are the guild master. There is quite a bit of thieving you HAVE to do to "beat" the thieves guild.
It does take awhile
-the College............. yeah thats just fucking broken............. but anything magic related in skyrim is broken.
As a game, I liked Skyrim better. I think everything, from the leveling system to the way the compass works is a step in the right direction. It may not sound like much when compared with Fallout 3, but if I compare it with Oblivion is quite superior.
As a setting, I liked Fallout better. Everything, from the humor to the references, is far more interesting and has a lot more personality. It is truth that the color palette is more limited, but that is a small setback for more "colorful" characters. Also, combat is a lot better in Fallout 3. Not only because of VATS, but because, while melee combat in both games sucks the same, Fallout uses it less...
As a setting, I liked Fallout better. Everything, from the humor to the references, is far more interesting and has a lot more personality. It is truth that the color palette is more limited, but that is a small setback for more "colorful" characters. Also, combat is a lot better in Fallout 3. Not only because of VATS, but because, while melee combat in both games sucks the same, Fallout uses it less...
Thanks for helping prove my point. Those are purely superficial changes that doesn't change anything that doesn't change your experience in the game at all. A similar questline in new Vegas of similar length? Deciding the fate of all the different factions in the Mojave and deciding who shows up at the battle for the Hoover Dam. You overcome long existing feuds between your chosen side and factions like the Brotherhood of Steel, the Khans, the Enclave, and others. Sounds a lot more important and world changing than real estate management, doesn't it?SajuukKhar said: