Smart-A$$ to authority

[newwiseman]

I don't like the police. No one in NYC likes the police. Not even the police.

I especially don't like the ones that beat the shit out of unarmed protesters as if this were a third world country having a revolt. And my police force is doing this to a lot of people, everyday, down at wall street.

And the police hardly even show up for where real crime is a problem up north, in the Bronx, where street crime is insane compared to the rest of the city. Yet I almost never see them or their cars, with the exception of a few auxiliary ones or traffic officers. The project buildings, which are owned by the city, get no protection.

Now I won't bother a cop nor treat him any worse than anyone else by default, but I don't hold him at a higher regard because of his job, because ether of those things go ageist my personal philosophies.

Here in Eugene we have protestors too, city hall gave them a permit to camp in the parks through most of November. I'm respectful in passing, but when I start getting harassed because I match a description I get a little loud.

 

[neurohazzard]

I usually just chat with them. Some are decent people who you can have a perfectly nice conversation with. Others are complete and total D-bags, in which case I usually just walk away.

 

[Sizzle Montyjing]

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So let me get this straight...
Some Police Officers were handling a situation, which could of been potentially life-threatening (hostages / armed man and whatnot) and you decide to insult them, piss them off...
Huh.

I personally don't do that.

 

[Connor Lonske]

*snip*

Here in Eugene we have protestors too, city hall gave them a permit to camp in the parks through most of November. I'm respectful in passing, but when I start getting harassed because I match a description I get a little loud.

What do you mean by "match a description," may I ask.

 

[theguitarhero6]

Well, the cops around here are pretty hit-and-miss when it comes to douche-baggery.
Like I can be long boarding down Main Street and downtown at 3 AM and the officers (seemingly the only people out that late) have not once stopped or questioned me. On the other hand some of my friends have been busted for possession when they were walking, doing nothing, and got stopped, which seems quite a bit unreasonable (seeing as how the only cause for suspicion was smell, and the officer was driving at the time ಠ_&#3232.
So, at least with the ones I've encountered, I've never had the reason to call 'em "pigs" or anything demeaning, though there are some unreasonable ones.

 

[newwiseman]

I usually just chat with them. Some are decent people who you can have a perfectly nice conversation with. Others are complete and total D-bags, in which case I usually just walk away.

The same I'm friendly with the Office in my building, I still know my grade school DARE Officer; I'm just not so polite as to remain quiet when someone does something I disagree with.

...
So let me get this straight...
Some Police Officers were handling a situation, which could of been potentially life-threatening (hostages / armed man and whatnot) and you decide to insult them, piss them off...
Huh.

I personally don't do that.

Potentially life threatening... according to my building's officer the first cop on the scene said that he was alone, and trapped in the attic.

Some... I've never heard of close to 60 people standing around because they got called in referred to as some, it was overkill no matter how you look at it.

 

[Dr Snakeman]

First, and forgive me for this really.. You are kind of an ass.

And I am calm and cooperative with authority figures, they are only doing their job after all. And to their defense they couldn't know what kinda weapons the man had tucked away.

Likewise, except without the part asking for forgiveness. The OP's a dick who needs to learn that smartassed comments aren't appropriate when there's a goddamned armed standoff going on.

In short, grow the hell up.

 

[Dr Jones]

I deal with authority figures who are only doing there job like a civilized human being, I don't try and make there jobs any harder.

This. I have huge respect for cops n' such. There was no reason to be a b**** at them. They were doing their job, trying to keep you safe. You could argue that you would be safer inside, but that isn't protocol. And frankly if that is your problem then dont ***** to the officers? They can't change it, they're doing their jobs. That's like yelling at FoxConn employees for your RRoD error.

 

[Mr Goostoff]

What no one else seems to have mentioned, the cops didn't know if you were an accomplice that the guy called over to help him escape. I'm assuming that they didn't watch you walk up to your door and then stop you. Rather, that they stopped you at a perimeter? The whole idea is to keep people out of the general area, in order to both prevent collateral damage if bullets start flying, and to keep anyone that could potentially create more problems for them.

But even taking that out of the equation, there are some things that you just don't do. One of which is fucking with the police, more importantly, when they're in a stand-off that could very well turn fatal.

Honestly, here are people putting their lives on the line on a day-to-day basis in order to keep the peace on the streets, and people are always treating them with disrespect. Maybe next time they won't show up, and you'll get a bullet in the skull. That'd probably make your snide little remarks a little more difficult.

 

[newwiseman]

oh no cops are trying to arrest an armed suspect and make sure no one gets shot, what utter dicks! if your story had been about police abuse of power I could see your point, but it was just about you being a useless prick.

Then they should have evacuated the street if it was a safety issue. They didn't, again my complaints stand.

What no one else seems to have mentioned, the cops didn't know if you were an accomplice that the guy called over to help him escape. I'm assuming that they didn't watch you walk up to your door and then stop you. Rather, that they stopped you at a perimeter? The whole idea is to keep people out of the general area, in order to both prevent collateral damage if bullets start flying, and to keep anyone that could potentially create more problems for them.

But even taking that out of the equation, there are some things that you just don't do. One of which is fucking with the police, more importantly, when they're in a stand-off that could very well turn fatal.

Honestly, here are people putting their lives on the line on a day-to-day basis in order to keep the peace on the streets, and people are always treating them with disrespect. Maybe next time they won't show up, and you'll get a bullet in the skull. That'd probably make your snide little remarks a little more difficult.

Actually I had my key in the lock when a cop came out from around of my neighbors place and told me I could go in, which prompted me to ask why.

Edit* I saw the cop cars and people on the street, I didn't care because it was two houses down the street.

That's when I turned a little dickish, if it's a safety issue then why am I allows across the street when my house is further away?

Respect is earned, it doesn't come with a title.

 

[LordFisheh]

I'm sorry but you come off as a bit of a dick. People are for all they know risking their lives against a gunman and you throw a protracted hissy fit because you had to wait outside watching movies for a few hours? Honestly, you sound like you think you're cool for being such a smart ass. You know, like how a children's cartoon character is made edgy by saying 'butt' and 'dang'

Edit -

Respect is earned, it doesn't come with a title.

No, it comes with going out to try to protect people from a guy who for all you know could shoot you dead.

 

[newwiseman]

*snip*

Here in Eugene we have protestors too, city hall gave them a permit to camp in the parks through most of November. I'm respectful in passing, but when I start getting harassed because I match a description I get a little loud.

What do you mean by "match a description," may I ask.

Pretty basic profiling. I thought it was funny the first few times. It's just ridiculous the last few years. As we've gotten some people of color in the area they are looking for white guys less, but whenever they do I always match the fucking description, and if the officer isn't one of the guys who normally patrols my neighborhood, or one of the guys who's stopped me before then I end up getting stopped.

"where you going" "where do you live" "what are you doing out so late" "what are you doing in the neighborhood" typical questions to ask it's just gotten really old at this point.

 

[Rawne1980]

Congratulations, thats some heroic work right there.

Sitting on your arse gobbing off at people doing their jobs, I applaud you.

Thats the kind of incident where if one of those coppers had punched you I can almost guarantee that most of your neighbours would have taken that moment to turn around and admire a passing butterfly while witnessing nothing.

Yes it's an inconvenience but here is what a person with common sense would do ... bugger off for a couple of hours, grab a coffee somewhere or even a beer, then come back when it's all finished.

That way you don't have to sit there pissing folks off and you don't come across like a giant muppet.

I can promise you that you are now the joke of the station and every single copper there is mocking you.

 

[Dango]

1. Why does the thread title have dollar signs?

2. Why are you annoying people who risk their lives to keep you safe?

 

[crimsonshrouds]

so your an asshole? whats the point of this thread? I'm respectful to authority figures such as the police and anyone else who is just doing there jobs.

 

[newwiseman]

I'm sorry but you come off as a bit of a dick. People are for all they know risking their lives against a gunman and you throw a protracted hissy fit because you had to wait outside watching movies for a few hours? Honestly, you sound like you think you're cool for being such a smart ass. You know, like how a children's cartoon character is made edgy by saying 'butt' and 'dang'

Edit -

Respect is earned, it doesn't come with a title.

No, it comes with going out to try to protect people from a guy who for all you know could shoot you dead.

Then they should have cleared the street, they didn't. Respect is earned and they lost all I was willing to give them when they claimed safety as a reason and then they didn't try to clear the street. Had they cleared the street as part of their perimeter I'd be more understanding. It was a debacle and it deserves to be heckled.

 

[Connor Lonske]

*snip*

Pretty basic profiling. I thought it was funny the first few times. It's just ridiculous the last few years. As we've gotten some people of color in the area they are looking for white guys less, but whenever they do I always match the fucking description, and if the officer isn't one of the guys who normally patrols my neighborhood, or one of the guys who's stopped me before then I end up getting stopped.

"where you going" "where do you live" "what are you doing out so late" "what are you doing in the neighborhood" typical questions to ask it's just gotten really old at this point.

In NYC, or at least the Bronx, it's the opposite. The cops aren't ever around when you don't or do need them. It's like they only send them out when they get a phone call or are on one of their many coffee breaks.

Man, I don't know which is worse, cops that are around but are profiling douche bags or cops that aren't around at all. Things like this make me hate society as a whole, I can't blame those poor bastards down Wall Street wanting a change, I feel empathetic even.

 

[KnowYourOnion]

Yesterday I come strolling home from a long day of dealing with over 500 kids jacked up on Halloween candy to find my street being blocked off by my local police dept. What happened apparently while attempting to serve a warrant for arrest the man they were looking for decided to hide in the attic, because that worked so well for Anne Frank, and because the police did not know if he was armed or not they decided to play it "safe".

Now the reason I critique is because while blocking off car traffic, presumably to clear the road for doughnut runs, they didn't stop foot traffic. For my safety they wouldn't let me enter my house because the house on the other side of my neighbors duplex is where the suspect was hiding out. I attempted to explain, rather loudly I'll admit, that if the suspect is armed it is most likely a handgun loaded with hollow point rounds and that being the case I would be perfectly safe in my home where there is a whole house between the perps place and my own instead of sitting on the side walk across the street where all there is is a single wall to protect all of us neighbors lined up waiting. After that tirade they made sit down on the side walk across the street from my house and in protest I immediately took to smart-assed comments to vocalize my take on the situation.

I believe the entire police force was on hand for this, well over 40 uniformed cops and an entire swat team of 19 wearing military issue combat armor armed with AR-15s, as well as at least 9 other cops and 3 negotiators in plain cloths, who had put on vests. This stand off had apparently been going on since 3:30 and when I arrived at 4:30 cops were still arriving. So I said the first thing that came to mind.

"There must have been a line at Voodoo Doughnuts. Can you guys give me a bacon maple bar? All my snacks are inside my place."

After awhile I realized I had my iPad with me so I started watching movies, as loudly as it would go. This prompted more than a few upset stairs from the guy standing around doing nothing so I said "I could be inside being quiet" after a while "just tear gas his ass I'm cold", later "if you need a flash bang I've got potassium chloride, aluminum powder, and magnesium flakes in my garage"

I made many more comments during the event, got some laughs from the onlookers. Regardless, when the whole thing was over, (the guy gave up, and came down), the SWAT negotiator came walking out (before the perp) and I said "What they didn't have a jelly filled for you, well make sure to pick up a bacon maple bar for me on your way back."

The negotiator quietly got in his car and turned it around but before leaving made a point of stopping next to me pointing and saying "Thanks for your help today" to which I replied "What help?" he responded "Exactly." To that I said "How about next time we do this at your place and you can wait for nothing to happen on a curb for three hours in the cold. You want help, try a stationary bike, it's probably easier on your fat ass than a treadmill"

Then he left and I was free to enter my home.

This isn't my first run in with the cops, certainly the longest, getting searched usually only takes a few minutes after all (as a white male with a buzzed head I very often "match the description"); but every run in with them I've ever had I've been a disrespectful asshole.

Now I ask you fellow escapists, how do you deal with "authority" figures, namely the police. Do you wait patently and hope for the best, do you gawk and take pictures, or do you inundate them with sarcasm and smart-assery?

I also have to say when I heard Gram mention a guy in his attic in Oregon on Feed Dump I almost thought he was talking about this incident for a second.

Wow sorry to say chap, you were/are an absolute arse!! I mean seriously these guys were doing their job to protect the public from the possibility of being caught in a dangerous situation and there you were being a "smart"-arse.

Really clever of you! You weren't being funny, you we're being an total ass hat. Those people put their lives on the line for you and you repay them by being a dick.

You take pride in the fact that you're a disrespectful asshole? You just scored an infinite amount of douchebag points. Yes there are bad cops but that doesn't give you the right to start mouthing off at the entire Police Force. Seriously, sort yourself out old boy. Those onlookers were probably laughing at you not with you.

EDIT: and you call someone who isn't white "someone of colour"? How odd

EDIT 2: I'm assuming you're American, so your coppers damn well deserve respect! I'm not sure if I'd want to be a copper when half the country is armed to the teeth and more than capable of killing you.

 

[I Have No Idea]

snip

By reading your OP, it seems like you're kind of a jerk. These guys didn't know if the suspect was armed or not, and if you were a cop you wouldn't exactly want to take that sort of chance right? These guys are doing their job, protecting and serving, and the first thing you said was an insult? Seriously, they subdued a potentially dangerous guy, and you're just bad mouthing them? Honestly I've never met such a disrespectful person.

I have a great deal of respect for the folks in blue. They're keeping us safe. I know some of them are total whackoffs, but if your job involves putting your life on the line regularly then you've earned my respect.

EDIT: Plus, what is the point of this thread? Were you expecting sympathy and fist bumps? If you're a jerk in real life, nobody likes you. If you're a jerk on the internet, nobody likes you, and you get a bunch of hateful comments.

 

[Kasawd]

I have to laugh at the quotation marks around the word authority, in the original opening post. Implying that those who wield the law are not proper authority is silly because they most certainly are. Also, judging the situation from your own personal experiences not only harms your ability to properly analyze it but will only make you come off as a douche.

Then again, you were being a massive one.

Unless you're an officer with functioning knowledge of procedure or have past experience attempting to apprehend an armed suspect, it's going to be very difficult to judge what, exactly, constitutes overkill. This situation reminds me of when I was in O'Hare and my flight was delayed for about thirty minutes. Most people bitched and moaned, but, really, there's no use to it. You will still be waiting for that airplane and I guarantee that the personnel remembered those of us who took it in good grace.

You had a long wait and that can be frustrating, but, the reason for the wait was a good one(Much like the delays planes or trains make to ensure safety and success of passangers and landings). You're just speaking from ignorance and, quite honestly, strike me as someone who goes against authority because it makes you rebellious.

I treat authority figures with respect. They've been given their positions through hard work or have proved their worth. No amount of resentment from me or anyone else is going to change that they went through what they needed to before they hit the desk or streets.

Respect your local police force and it will be better in the long run, for you.