Smash Ultimate kinda has some problems

[Yoshi178]

Best new song in Smash Bros. ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmMUxR-4rCQ

nah this is better. :3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLeaItOSZ1g

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

I wouldn't feel accomplished from unlocking characters, I would feel like my time is being wasted, because it is.

I don't enjoy playing against the AI in Smash. It's usually not very good, and I'd much rather be playing against actual people. In this game playing with friends is literally gated behind playing with the AI first.

How dare Nintendo ask you to play their videogame and spend 90 minutes of your time unlocking stuff.

They should also give you the option to just buy each character for $2 microtransactions each so you don't "waste" 90 minutes of your time unlocking stuff.

Why can't Nintendo just be more like other companies and fill their game with microtransactions instead?!!!

Unlocking videogame characters by playing the game is just the worst thing in the world right guys?

Or they could leave the online roster unlocked, leaving battling AI as a sort of a campaign to those that enjoy that. Making everyone content?

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

How dare Nintendo ask you to play their videogame and spend 90 minutes of your time unlocking stuff.

They should also give you the option to just buy each character for $2 microtransactions each so you don't "waste" 90 minutes of your time unlocking stuff.

Why can't Nintendo just be more like other companies and fill their game with microtransactions instead?!!!

Unlocking videogame characters by playing the game is just the worst thing in the world right guys?

Plus there's plenty of stuff to do anyway. Going through World of Light, checking out the Spirit Board, playing Classic Mode, or just doing goofy smash matches with friends. Ignoring all that just seems asinine

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

I wouldn't feel accomplished from unlocking characters, I would feel like my time is being wasted, because it is.

I don't enjoy playing against the AI in Smash. It's usually not very good, and I'd much rather be playing against actual people. In this game playing with friends is literally gated behind playing with the AI first.

How dare Nintendo ask you to play their videogame and spend 90 minutes of your time unlocking stuff.

They should also give you the option to just buy each character for $2 microtransactions each so you don't "waste" 90 minutes of your time unlocking stuff.

Why can't Nintendo just be more like other companies and fill their game with microtransactions instead?!!!

Unlocking videogame characters by playing the game is just the worst thing in the world right guys?

It's very much not 90 minutes. All of the people I've talked to who own the game and spent time unlocking characters said it took them around 8 hours to unlock all of the characters, and that's people who marathoned it to get all the characters as fast as possible. From articles I've read, playing through World of Light to get everyone would take 20 hours, just doing multiplayer matches would take 12 hours. There is literally a timer that says when you're allowed to have a challenger fight, and when you do the timer reset glitch you are doing an UNINTENDED GLITCH to break the way that nintendo intended you to play the game in order to unlock the fighters faster, and EVEN THEN it takes like 3 hours to unlock everyone and is also the most boring way to do it.

Since you clearly advocate for doing the glitch and 1 stock matches to get the characters why don't YOU want to play the video game and unlock the characters the way that Nintendo is asking you? Why are YOU not playing world of light for 20 hours to unlock every character the way the game was meant to be played?

Like I said, I don't enjoy playing against the AI in fighting games. I would much rather just have all the characters unlocked from the beginning and be able to play with friends. Even then, I would actually be ok with all of the new characters being locked and having to do a little work to unlock them. If it was just the characters that didn't previously appear in Smash that were locked I'd actually be mostly fine with it, if a bit annoyed. That's not how it is though. 80% of the roster is locked.

If someone only has an hour a day to play the game, and don't want to use glitches to unlock characters faster then it would take them between 1 and 2 weeks of play before they had all the characters and could actually play with friends with all characters unlocked. That's fucking terrible.

And no, I would not rather have microtransactions. I've never paid for microtransactions in my life, and never will. It's also not one or the other, it's not spend time playing the game or pay for microtransactions. THIS IS NOT A FREE TO PLAY TITLE and the fact that you even brought up the microtransaction comparison is asinine. There is no reason to have to unlock 80% of the cast like it's a free to play game.

 

[Yoshi178]

Since you clearly advocate for doing the glitch and 1 stock matches to get the characters why don't YOU want to play the video game and unlock the characters the way that Nintendo is asking you? Why are YOU not playing world of light for 20 hours to unlock every character the way the game was meant to be played?

i already did though. i played world of light and finished unlocking all of characters by lunchtime on saturday. in fact i've just about 100%'d world of light. it really isn't as long a people think it is lol

Like I said, I don't enjoy playing against the AI in fighting games. I would much rather just have all the characters unlocked from the beginning and be able to play with friends. Even then, I would actually be ok with all of the new characters being locked and having to do a little work to unlock them. If it was just the characters that didn't previously appear in Smash that were locked I'd actually be mostly fine with it, if a bit annoyed. That's not how it is though. 80% of the roster is locked.

which is a 1st world problem in itself lol.

And no, I would not rather have microtransactions. I've never paid for microtransactions in my life, and never will. It's also not one or the other, it's not spend time playing the game or pay for microtransactions. THIS IS NOT A FREE TO PLAY TITLE and the fact that you even brought up the microtransaction comparison is asinine. There is no reason to have to unlock 80% of the cast like it's a free to play game.

i know. i'm just pointing out to you how overdramatic you're being about having to spend a little bit of time unlocking characters.

there are worse things in the world and in gaming than having to unlock fighter characters. at least Nintendo isn't charging you Microtransactions for all of those unlockable characters. other companies wouldn't hesitate to. lol

 

[Lufia Erim]

I wouldn't feel accomplished from unlocking characters, I would feel like my time is being wasted, because it is.

I don't enjoy playing against the AI in Smash. It's usually not very good, and I'd much rather be playing against actual people. In this game playing with friends is literally gated behind playing with the AI first.

How dare Nintendo ask you to play their videogame and spend 90 minutes of your time unlocking stuff.

They should also give you the option to just buy each character for $2 microtransactions each so you don't "waste" 90 minutes of your time unlocking stuff.

Why can't Nintendo just be more like other companies and fill their game with microtransactions instead?!!!

Unlocking videogame characters by playing the game is just the worst thing in the world right guys?

It's very much not 90 minutes. All of the people I've talked to who own the game and spent time unlocking characters said it took them around 8 hours to unlock all of the characters, and that's people who marathoned it to get all the characters as fast as possible. From articles I've read, playing through World of Light to get everyone would take 20 hours, just doing multiplayer matches would take 12 hours. There is literally a timer that says when you're allowed to have a challenger fight, and when you do the timer reset glitch you are doing an UNINTENDED GLITCH to break the way that nintendo intended you to play the game in order to unlock the fighters faster, and EVEN THEN it takes like 3 hours to unlock everyone and is also the most boring way to do it.

Since you clearly advocate for doing the glitch and 1 stock matches to get the characters why don't YOU want to play the video game and unlock the characters the way that Nintendo is asking you? Why are YOU not playing world of light for 20 hours to unlock every character the way the game was meant to be played?

Like I said, I don't enjoy playing against the AI in fighting games. I would much rather just have all the characters unlocked from the beginning and be able to play with friends. Even then, I would actually be ok with all of the new characters being locked and having to do a little work to unlock them. If it was just the characters that didn't previously appear in Smash that were locked I'd actually be mostly fine with it, if a bit annoyed. That's not how it is though. 80% of the roster is locked.

If someone only has an hour a day to play the game, and don't want to use glitches to unlock characters faster then it would take them between 1 and 2 weeks of play before they had all the characters and could actually play with friends with all characters unlocked. That's fucking terrible.

And no, I would not rather have microtransactions. I've never paid for microtransactions in my life, and never will. It's also not one or the other, it's not spend time playing the game or pay for microtransactions. THIS IS NOT A FREE TO PLAY TITLE and the fact that you even brought up the microtransaction comparison is asinine. There is no reason to have to unlock 80% of the cast like it's a free to play game.

Either do it or don't. This here is the definition of entitled. You got one of the biggest Rosters in fighting game history,that you can unlocked in a few hours , for free, and you still complain.

You know what, gaming is dead, and it' no EA, Activison or Ubisofts fault. It's because because of gamers.

If you want a real reason to complain go play Street fighter 5.

I legitimately cannot believe people are seriously complaining about having to play a game to unlock stuff. This is ass backwards.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

I wouldn't feel accomplished from unlocking characters, I would feel like my time is being wasted, because it is.

I don't enjoy playing against the AI in Smash. It's usually not very good, and I'd much rather be playing against actual people. In this game playing with friends is literally gated behind playing with the AI first.

How dare Nintendo ask you to play their videogame and spend 90 minutes of your time unlocking stuff.

They should also give you the option to just buy each character for $2 microtransactions each so you don't "waste" 90 minutes of your time unlocking stuff.

Why can't Nintendo just be more like other companies and fill their game with microtransactions instead?!!!

Unlocking videogame characters by playing the game is just the worst thing in the world right guys?

It's very much not 90 minutes. All of the people I've talked to who own the game and spent time unlocking characters said it took them around 8 hours to unlock all of the characters, and that's people who marathoned it to get all the characters as fast as possible. From articles I've read, playing through World of Light to get everyone would take 20 hours, just doing multiplayer matches would take 12 hours. There is literally a timer that says when you're allowed to have a challenger fight, and when you do the timer reset glitch you are doing an UNINTENDED GLITCH to break the way that nintendo intended you to play the game in order to unlock the fighters faster, and EVEN THEN it takes like 3 hours to unlock everyone and is also the most boring way to do it.

Since you clearly advocate for doing the glitch and 1 stock matches to get the characters why don't YOU want to play the video game and unlock the characters the way that Nintendo is asking you? Why are YOU not playing world of light for 20 hours to unlock every character the way the game was meant to be played?

Like I said, I don't enjoy playing against the AI in fighting games. I would much rather just have all the characters unlocked from the beginning and be able to play with friends. Even then, I would actually be ok with all of the new characters being locked and having to do a little work to unlock them. If it was just the characters that didn't previously appear in Smash that were locked I'd actually be mostly fine with it, if a bit annoyed. That's not how it is though. 80% of the roster is locked.

If someone only has an hour a day to play the game, and don't want to use glitches to unlock characters faster then it would take them between 1 and 2 weeks of play before they had all the characters and could actually play with friends with all characters unlocked. That's fucking terrible.

And no, I would not rather have microtransactions. I've never paid for microtransactions in my life, and never will. It's also not one or the other, it's not spend time playing the game or pay for microtransactions. THIS IS NOT A FREE TO PLAY TITLE and the fact that you even brought up the microtransaction comparison is asinine. There is no reason to have to unlock 80% of the cast like it's a free to play game.

Either do it or don't. This here is the definition of entitled. You got one of the biggest Rosters in fighting game history,that you can unlocked in a few hours , for free, and you still complain.

You know what, gaming is dead, and it' no EA, Activison or Ubisofts fault. It's because because of gamers.

If you want a real reason to complain go play Street fighter 5.

I legitimately cannot believe people are seriously complaining about having to play a game to unlock stuff. This is ass backwards.

You know those games that people tell you about and go "it gets really good 20 hours in though." I refused to play those games. I refuse to have my time wasted for 20 hours to get to "the good part."

This is literally the same thing. The game is work for 20 hours until you actually have the characters and then you get to do the fun thing that the game is built for, which is playing with friends. Literally the thing that the game is built around is locked until you've wasted enough time.

Imagine if a Mario Party game came out, and every stage was locked, and to unlock them you first had to play a 50 turn game with AI only for each stage that you wanted to unlock. That's what this is, there's no fun to be had here for me and I won't be buying it.

I can go play Soul Caliber 6 or Guilty Gear Xrd and not having to bother ever touching anything having to do with the game's AI, and that suits me just fine.

 

[PapaGreg096]

Going to my complaints, the person who designed the Pauline match should be drawn and quartered

 

[Yoshi178]

Imagine if a Mario Party game came out, and every stage was locked, and to unlock them you first had to play a 50 turn game with AI only for each stage that you wanted to unlock. That's what this is, there's no fun to be had here for me and I won't be buying it.

imagine buying a videogame and then having to play it in order to do all the things.

pretty crazy i know.

I can go play Soul Caliber 6 or Guilty Gear Xrd and not having to bother ever touching anything having to do with the game's AI, and that suits me just fine.

both of those games have unlockables too.

that's disgusting. what if someone mains those characters? they'd have to actually play those games in order to unlock the characters in those games.

didn't you just say playing videogames and unlocking stuff isn't fun? :3

 

[PapaGreg096]

that's disgusting. what if someone mains those characters? they'd have to actually play those games in order to unlock the characters.

didn't you just say playing videogames and unlocking stuff isn't fun? :3

Those games don't have 80 percant of their rosters locked. You can support unlocking characters and be against fighting games locking their most of their rosters. Shocking I know

 

[Yoshi178]

that's disgusting. what if someone mains those characters? they'd have to actually play those games in order to unlock the characters.

didn't you just say playing videogames and unlocking stuff isn't fun? :3

Those games don't have 80 percant of their rosters locked. You can support unlocking characters and be against fighting games locking their most of their rosters. Shocking I know

they still aren't handing you guys the entire game on a platter to you like you're expecting Nintendo to do so with Super Smash Bros. lol

 

[PapaGreg096]

that's disgusting. what if someone mains those characters? they'd have to actually play those games in order to unlock the characters.

didn't you just say playing videogames and unlocking stuff isn't fun? :3

Those games don't have 80 percant of their rosters locked. You can support unlocking characters and be against fighting games locking their most of their rosters. Shocking I know

they still aren't handing you guys the entire game on a platter to you like you're expecting Nintendo to do so with Super Smash Bros. lol

No one here is complaining about have it unlocked on a platter just that most of the characters are locked, Jesus man I know you like Nintendo but my god this is almost cult like.

 

[Yoshi178]

that's disgusting. what if someone mains those characters? they'd have to actually play those games in order to unlock the characters.

didn't you just say playing videogames and unlocking stuff isn't fun? :3

Those games don't have 80 percant of their rosters locked. You can support unlocking characters and be against fighting games locking their most of their rosters. Shocking I know

they still aren't handing you guys the entire game on a platter to you like you're expecting Nintendo to do so with Super Smash Bros. lol

No one here is complaining about have it unlocked on a platter just that most of the characters are locked, Jesus man I know you like Nintendo but my god this is almost cult like.

No one is huh?

Like I said, I don't enjoy playing against the AI in fighting games. I would much rather just have all the characters unlocked from the beginning and be able to play with friends.

and you say i'm being cult like?

pretty sure you guys are just being overly dramatic and are looking for little things to complain about that hardly even matter.

don't want to buy or play the game? then fine! don't buy the game or play it then. no ones forcing you to play smash bros.
play the other games that you actually enjoy if you prefer other games. why even waste your energy complaining about games you have no interest in???

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

that's disgusting. what if someone mains those characters? they'd have to actually play those games in order to unlock the characters.

didn't you just say playing videogames and unlocking stuff isn't fun? :3

Those games don't have 80 percant of their rosters locked. You can support unlocking characters and be against fighting games locking their most of their rosters. Shocking I know

they still aren't handing you guys the entire game on a platter to you like you're expecting Nintendo to do so with Super Smash Bros. lol

No one here is complaining about have it unlocked on a platter just that most of the characters are locked, Jesus man I know you like Nintendo but my god this is almost cult like.

No one is huh?

If you're going to quote me don't so fucking disingenuous. Here, let me help you.

Like I said, I don't enjoy playing against the AI in fighting games. I would much rather just have all the characters unlocked from the beginning and be able to play with friends. Even then, I would actually be ok with all of the new characters being locked and having to do a little work to unlock them. If it was just the characters that didn't previously appear in Smash that were locked I'd actually be mostly fine with it, if a bit annoyed. That's not how it is though. 80% of the roster is locked.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

Like I said, I don't enjoy playing against the AI in fighting games. I would much rather just have all the characters unlocked from the beginning and be able to play with friends. Even then, I would actually be ok with all of the new characters being locked and having to do a little work to unlock them. If it was just the characters that didn't previously appear in Smash that were locked I'd actually be mostly fine with it, if a bit annoyed. That's not how it is though. 80% of the roster is locked.

This sounds 100% like a you problem and not a problem of the game. The roster started out as a Smash 64 throwback, and characters unlock at a decent rate. World of Light takes a lot longer than just playing classic or multiplayer smash, and I get that. Sometimes people just wanna get into what they like really quickly, stay in their comfort zone. Sadly, you might actually have to... (Stay with me here) ... play the game.

On launch day, me and my SO went to the store after work, got the game, and played it for a good 3 hours. We probably doubled the roster, maybe a bit more. Know what we did? Played some characters we never tried before, chose random on the character selection for some chaos, chose 3 and 5 team smash to really test how we handled other characters, and did some classic mode. Guess what? It was a ton of fun, we got good at characters we never knew we'd be good with before.

Of course, fun can be subjective. If you and your friend's idea of fun is to have nearly everything unlocked, never try any new characters and just stick with what you know and main, and just pick up and go... Sorry to say, you're the minority here. This is a complete you situation, and is not a failing of the game. It's not what you like. And that's fine, you're entitled to that. But like with any game you buy, the game developers kinda expect you to play the game and actually unlock stuff (God forbid, I know).

BIG TIME EDIT: A lot of this was originally meant for PapaGreg096, but your comment above fits in pretty well still. It's is asinine to complain that the whole game isn't unlocked for you right out of the gate. That defeats a ton of the purpose of any game. If that's what someone wants, good for them. But to call that a failing on the game's part is simply backwards

 

[SupahEwok]

Man, it's like some people haven't played games from back when you unlocked things by playing the game rather than pay for it with microtransactions.

 

[PapaGreg096]

BIG TIME EDIT: A lot of this was originally meant for PapaGreg096, but your comment above fits in pretty well still. It's is asinine to complain that the whole game isn't unlocked for you right out of the gate. That defeats a ton of the purpose of any game. If that's what someone wants, good for them. But to call that a failing on the game's part is simply backwards

JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE IS IT SO HARD TO GET THAT THE PROBLEM ISN'T THAT WE HAVE TO UNLOCK THINGS BUT RATHER 80% OF THE ROSTER IS LOCKED, I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF POSTS AND READING TAKES TIME BUT JESUS CHRIST ITS LITERALLY THE 1ST THING YOU READ. Also what does it matter if its a "Throwback to 64" this isn't 64, this is a game with a roster of over 50 characters and it being a throwback doesn't stop it from being tedious.

Man, it's like some people haven't played games from back when you unlocked things by playing the game rather than pay for it with microtransactions.

Oh yeah thats why people complained when 21 and Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta were locked, oh right no one did because we still had a decent sized roster.

 

[Erttheking]

Ok. Can we take a step back and realize that differing opinions on the rate at which a roster should be unlocked is NOT worth getting this worked up over?

 

[Elvis Starburst]

JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE IS IT SO HARD TO GET THAT THE PROBLEM ISN'T THAT WE HAVE TO UNLOCK THINGS BUT RATHER 80% OF THE ROSTER IS LOCKED, I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF POSTS AND READING TAKES TIME BUT JESUS CHRIST ITS LITERALLY THE 1ST THING YOU READ.

Holy REEEEEE fest, relax.

I read everything perfectly clear, and yes, I still firmly disagree with this notion that having a decent chunk of the roster locked is supposed to be an issue. Let me ask you this... If the roster didn't start off at Smash 64 levels, where exactly would you be happy for the roster to have started out as right from the beginning? Would all unlocks up to Melee be good enough? Everything from 64 to Smash 4, with only new people to Ultimate left to get? I believe you touched on it before, but I wanna know how many is enough to start with in your eyes. 8 isn't enough, so what is the minimum? Does it have to be 80% of the whole thing to be satisfactory?

"Hey friend I bought the new super smash game, wanna play?"

"Sure! I can't wait to play a bunch of characters"

"oh no wait I gotta grind for about 20 hours before we can play hold on friend."

I touched up on this in my post. I've had several people still have fun with what was started with, what we unlocked during our play time, and then with some more characters I unlocked by playing the game on my own in between friend visits. I don't understand the idea of "Few characters at the start= no fun allowed" to some

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE IS IT SO HARD TO GET THAT THE PROBLEM ISN'T THAT WE HAVE TO UNLOCK THINGS BUT RATHER 80% OF THE ROSTER IS LOCKED, I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF POSTS AND READING TAKES TIME BUT JESUS CHRIST ITS LITERALLY THE 1ST THING YOU READ.

Holy REEEEEE fest, relax.

I read everything perfectly clear, and yes, I still firmly disagree with this notion that having a decent chunk of the roster locked is supposed to be an issue. Let me ask you this... If the roster didn't start off at Smash 64 levels, where exactly would you be happy for the roster to have started out as right from the beginning? Would all unlocks up to Melee be good enough? Everything from 64 to Smash 4, with only new people to Ultimate left to get? I believe you touched on it before, but I wanna know how many is enough to start with in your eyes. 8 isn't enough, so what is the minimum? Does it have to be 80% of the whole thing to be satisfactory?

"Hey friend I bought the new super smash game, wanna play?"

"Sure! I can't wait to play a bunch of characters"

"oh no wait I gotta grind for about 20 hours before we can play hold on friend."

I touched up on this in my post. I've had several people still have fun with what was started with, what we unlocked during our play time, and then with some more characters I unlocked by playing the game on my own in between friend visits. I don't understand the idea of "Few characters at the start= no fun allowed" to some

I dunno, because people then can't go "No Items, Final Destination, Fox Only" right off the bat?