Smoking Bans

[iron codpiece]

Our town had an ?indoor smoking ban? placed in the last year. Basically the law is that ?you can?t smoke in businesses?
Apparently there is an exception if a place with a liquor license that gains more than 15% of it?s revenue from tobacco sales, has a walk-in humidor, and does not serve food exists it can get a special license to allow indoor smoking. The first place to be granted one being a place called ?Jake?s Cigar Bar? the license. Oh, I also forgot they only allow Cigars to be smoked in the building not cigarettes. Basically this loophole is for cigar bars.
I work in a bar at nights and was all for the general ban. Makes my job a little more bearable.
Some people are getting very up in arms about this. Saying that it could make other area bars try to exploit the loophole. This is after a big fight over closing a loophole that would allow a bar that have ?[a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keno]Keno[/a]? to still allow smoking. What happened when that loophole was there? Well pretty much every bar in town had one little keno screen that they would play like once a day.
So do you think the cigar bar loophole is okay?
Discuss smoking bans and the like in your area and general feelings.

 

[WeedWorm]

Smoking bans are fucking stupid. It should be up to the owner of the property as to whether or not people can smoke inside.

 

[LCP]

smoking bans are good, damn things smell like ass.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

If smoking is bad, make it illegal.
If smoking is not bad, give the choice to the person who owns the area.

Black/White. Not strictly black.

 

[Cherry Cola]

There shouldn't be laws on smoking in restaurants and bars, etc. There needs to be places for people of different interests to hang out. A bar with smoking for smokers or people that don't mind, a videogame bar for me, and a special place in hell for Fox Network.

 

[Kollega]

Well,a good thing would be to ban indoor smoking by default,and allow owners to make it legal on their property.

Mainly because cigarettes smell like burning tires,if not worse.

 

[annoyinglizardvoice]

I love the smoking ban. It's the possibly the only thing labour have done well. I can breath without getting messed up on nights out now.
The right to not be poisoned outweighs the right to poison yourself in my books. Besides, most pubs have outside sections for smokers, so it's not like they've got to go completely without.

 

[mindclockwork]

If smoking would be invented nowadays, it would be deemed unhealthy and made illegal. Old habits die hard I guess.

 

[rokkolpo]

as long as you don't annoy non-smokers with smoking i couldn't care less.

 

[THAC0]

before i moved my town had a smoking ban and it was fantastic.

now i live out in the sticks of Kentucky and around here i have no such luck. Last night i walked into a gas station to buy a soda, and by the time i made it back out to the car i felt ill, and needed to wash my cloths from the smoke that i managed to accumulate in about 2 minutes.

I have high hopes that smoking bans are the way of the future.

 

[Schmidtzkrieg]

Smoking was banned indoors in any public area here about 10 years ago. Everbody was up in arms saying that bars and such were going to go out of business, eventually people got used to it and no-one complaines anymore.

There was a exemption at first for private clubs. A lot of bars would charge you a $5 for a lifetime membership and then give you a coupon for a free drink, but you can't do that anymore either

 

[DazZ.]

I've found a few places that let you smoke indoors since the ban, they are very few and far between.

My auntie owns a pub and I don;t get why she can't let people smoke in there legally if it's her place and 99% of the people there are smokers. Should make an obvious Smoke Free/Smokeable sign to go on pub doors for people to know which is which.

 

[DazZ.]

I've found a few places that let you smoke indoors since the ban, they are very few and far between.

My auntie owns a pub and I don;t get why she can't let people smoke in there legally if it's her place and 99% of the people there are smokers. Should make an obvious Smoke Free/Smokeable sign to go on pub doors for people to know which is which.

For the very good reason that she doesn't actually OWN anything.
Her land and her bar are a contract between her and the government.
And the government can change the terms, which they obviously did.

You only "own" what they allow you to own.

Well that's shit, should allow both types of places.

Like toilets, she could switch her toilets around and then it wouldn't be legal for women to go in there or visa versa, same as smoking and non smoking bits.
(Don't take that too seriously)

 

[dmase]

I think it would be funny if smokers started protesting. Sitins were a few people light some up in a row and smoke until the cops come. Or a big group of smokers gather outside of there favorite bar or restraunt smoking in a big group right outside the door.

 

[Amnestic]

If smoking is bad, make it illegal.
If smoking is not bad, give the choice to the person who owns the area.

Black/White. Not strictly black.

I was going to type some words but then I found you'd already typed them all for me.

Thanks for that.

 

[Idlemessiah]

I started smoking long after the ban came about in the UK, so to me its natural to smoke outdoors. I even go outside to smoke when I'm at home. Plus theres the benefit of wind, meaning you dont get used smoke drifting up into your eyes.

EDIT:

Or a big group of smokers gather outside of there favorite bar or restraunt smoking in a big group right outside the door.

People do that anyway, especially when theres no dedicated outdoor smoking area.
Although at the club I mainly go to, most of the patrons and staff smoke anyway.

 

[NiceGurl_14]

Honestly, I like the smoking ban, it means that I can go places and not be smothered by other people's second hand smoke. Even though I'll probably die of lung cancer anyway, it at least gives me a chance to survive a lil longer.

 

[cobra_ky]

Our town had an ?indoor smoking ban? placed in the last year. Basically the law is that ?you can?t smoke in businesses?
Apparently there is an exception if a place with a liquor license that gains more than 15% of it?s revenue from tobacco sales, has a walk-in humidor, and does not serve food exists it can get a special license to allow indoor smoking. The first place to be granted one being a place called ?Jake?s Cigar Bar? the license. Oh, I also forgot they only allow Cigars to be smoked in the building not cigarettes. Basically this loophole is for cigar bars.
I work in a bar at nights and was all for the general ban. Makes my job a little more bearable.
Some people are getting very up in arms about this. Saying that it could make other area bars try to exploit the loophole. This is after a big fight over closing a loophole that would allow a bar that have ?[a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keno]Keno[/a]? to still allow smoking. What happened when that loophole was there? Well pretty much every bar in town had one little keno screen that they would play like once a day.
So do you think the cigar bar loophole is okay?
Discuss smoking bans and the like in your area and general feelings.

i don't see why it makes any sense to allow cigars but not cigarettes. as far as i know, secondhand smoke from cigars isn't any safer.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

I support the smoking ban wholeheartedly for largely personal reasons.

As for this though... I suppose if the intent of the bar is to be a place where you smoke cigars, then it's okay, since very few people would go there who didn't. It's when it's a place where people of both smoking and non smoking inclination are likely to visit the bar that it makes more sense.

It would be like instigating a rule against playing guitars in guitar shops. The only people likely to go in and play guitars are people who know how to, so it makes no sense to ban them,

 

[Melancholy_Ocelot]

Your situation sounds very similar to mine in Omaha Nebraska. I've recently become a fan of cigars and I don't see a problem with allowing smoking in certain establishments that produce X% income from tobacco sales.

The do have an issue with cigarettes. From my experience cigars are social and cigarettes are a constant addiction (IE multiple puffs per day).

I'll have one or two cigars on the weekends at most and my friends always bring it up in conversation by saying, "let's have a cigar," not, "I've GOTTA have a smoke."