Smoking?

[PurpleSky]

Second hand smoking makes me physically sick,that study is just another excuse for somebody out there to not quit smoking (maybe a parent with small kids)

If its the smell that makes you sick, thats because of the smell and not the actual harmful things. Otherwise it seems like the television has (to be blunt) brainwashed you into thinking that its going to p0wn you.

Like I said it makes me physicaly sick,that's bad enough that I choke while outside.

 

[Miumaru]

I gotta say, im pretty offended by the question "How can you live with yourselves?"

Why honestly, does everyone care so much about people smoking? Studies show that second hand smoke does not harm anyone, the only reason that people think so is because of smear campaigns against the tobacco industry.

That said, I'm only a party smoker. I'll do it occasionally but wont go out to buy cigarettes or anything. I just stinge off other people. Someone before me got it absolutely right; moderation is the answer.

I didnt know Malboro put out studies. People think second hand smoke causes damage because of the damage caused by second hand smoke. Also you have no right to be offended because you have a bad habit that harms others. If smoking did nto harm anyone but yourself, then fine, but it doesnt.

http://knol.google.com/k/second-hand-smoke#

While it's not exactly a credible source, it pretty much lays down all the fine points that are accurate. I'm in a rush to go out somewhere so I havent had time to go get all the sources i read initially, but the one that started my change in views was watching an episode of "Penn and Teller: Bullshit". I don't know if you're familiar with the show but it presents hard evidence against the second hand smoking studies. Penn and Teller abstain from smoking anyway and still present this stuff.

I'm not saying that smokings good for you, im just saying that people are overly concerned about something thats not harmful anyway (im refering to second hand smoke here of course) -- SMEAR CAMPAIGNS PEOPLE.

EDIT: if you want me to find the sources, PM me and when i get back from going out ill send them your way.

First I would point out on the equal and opposite side of the smear campaign is the ad campaign, which had blatently done poor ad practices to promote its product. Also, though the link was confusing, from what it appears, it only took into account cancer and death caused my second hand smoke. Surprise may not happen to hear my reason for hating smoking so, is having suffered through primarily my parents smoking. I do not have cancer, and I did not die. I do however have breathing problems, especcially in the summer heat, to a point where I even feared suffocating to death. This was not a issue I always had.
It is a fact it causes damage for those who inhale it, either directly or indirect, and even if it doesnt kill often, it is still undesired damage to us who do NOT want to deal with the effects of smoking. Certainly I would not like to be punched in the arm by anyone, even if they spend most of their time punching themselves in the face much harder than I was hit.

 

[Sea Auteur]

I gotta say, im pretty offended by the question "How can you live with yourselves?"

Why honestly, does everyone care so much about people smoking? Studies show that second hand smoke does not harm anyone, the only reason that people think so is because of smear campaigns against the tobacco industry.

That said, I'm only a party smoker. I'll do it occasionally but wont go out to buy cigarettes or anything. I just stinge off other people. Someone before me got it absolutely right; moderation is the answer.

I didnt know Malboro put out studies. People think second hand smoke causes damage because of the damage caused by second hand smoke. Also you have no right to be offended because you have a bad habit that harms others. If smoking did nto harm anyone but yourself, then fine, but it doesnt.

While I'm not completely clear on the facts, so I won't even pretend to pick a side of whether or not second hand smoke is harmful, I really have to say... really? "you have no right to be offended"? How many habits do we humans have that harm others on a daily basis? Driving cars was already mentioned, buying products that pollute the air when made, hell, even just looking at your computer screen harms your eyes to some degree. It doesn't matter what you do, you always have the 'right' to be offended. And I use that term loosely, because being angry isn't a right, it's a reaction.

 

[Sonicron]

Well, I quit smoking about 9 months ago, but when I was still a smoker I had no problem living with myself. For that matter, I don't have much of a problem being around smokers now - I swore I'd never become one of those near-militant 'ex-smokers' who sermonize about the evil of a vice they once indulged in themselves... I don't like being a hypocrite.
The only thing that bothered me about smoking was the taste in my mouth after a particularly hard night of smoking and drinking, and the horrid smell of cold smoke on my clothes after a night out.
(By the way, I didn't have a sudden epiphany that made me quit, I canned the habit because my oesophagus was being torn to shreds by extreme acid reflux.)

Don't remember the first time I tried a cigarette, it's been over 10 years.

A cigar, though... that's different. Yes, it's about as bad (albeit for your parotid glands, not your lungs), but that's really more of a social thing. Mind you, I haven't had any of these since I quit, either, but I can see myself having one to celebrate a very special occasion (like graduation from university, friend's wedding, birth of a child etc). When you're smoking a good cigar it's really all about the unique and distinguished taste, and I definitely like it.

 

[Daveman]

1) I only smoke when I'm pissed enough to not say no to anything, I'm not a regular smoker by any means so I really don't care.
2) Disgusting, see below.
3) My first was a cigar. It was for a play and my character was a very nervous german man from the 30's so a cigar was excellent to help me portray it. It tasted crap and it made me feel ill for like a day. I don't even really like cigarettes it's just that when I get drunk I get very suggestible. So many times I've ended up half naked just because people told me to. I even once used a line from Pure Pwnage to hit on some girls just because I was asked to.

Plus if you say no people tend to think you're kind of square. Not that I'm easily pressurised it's just I don't want the girls I'm hitting on to know that.

 

[Pimppeter2]

1.Perfectly fine. I only smoke during the summer, its relaxing. Either way, I have bigger problems to live with.

2. I have no idea, but it didn't bother me

3. Yes, it makes me look like a boss.

 

[Miumaru]

I gotta say, im pretty offended by the question "How can you live with yourselves?"

Why honestly, does everyone care so much about people smoking? Studies show that second hand smoke does not harm anyone, the only reason that people think so is because of smear campaigns against the tobacco industry.

That said, I'm only a party smoker. I'll do it occasionally but wont go out to buy cigarettes or anything. I just stinge off other people. Someone before me got it absolutely right; moderation is the answer.

I didnt know Malboro put out studies. People think second hand smoke causes damage because of the damage caused by second hand smoke. Also you have no right to be offended because you have a bad habit that harms others. If smoking did nto harm anyone but yourself, then fine, but it doesnt.

While I'm not completely clear on the facts, so I won't even pretend to pick a side of whether or not second hand smoke is harmful, I really have to say... really? "you have no right to be offended"? How many habits do we humans have that harm others on a daily basis? Driving cars was already mentioned, buying products that pollute the air when made, hell, even just looking at your computer screen harms your eyes to some degree. It doesn't matter what you do, you always have the 'right' to be offended. And I use that term loosely, because being angry isn't a right, it's a reaction.

Well, if staring at a screen harms my eyes, then I suffer, but I alone. If you want to kill your own self, fine. My problem is with the habits that have innocent casualties. If someone drinks themselves to death in their own home, I feel bad for them. If someone drinks themselves drunk, gets in a car accident, and kills someone NOT killing their brain, I feel bad for the victim and scorn the drunk. If smokers want to smoke, then let them in a room that is just for them and doesnt let any of the smoke out. Then they can kill themselves and fellow smokers, but leave my lungs out of it.

 

[Woodsey]

Studies show that second hand smoke does not harm anyone,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

For a second there I thought you were being serious.

 

[Sea Auteur]

I gotta say, im pretty offended by the question "How can you live with yourselves?"

Why honestly, does everyone care so much about people smoking? Studies show that second hand smoke does not harm anyone, the only reason that people think so is because of smear campaigns against the tobacco industry.

That said, I'm only a party smoker. I'll do it occasionally but wont go out to buy cigarettes or anything. I just stinge off other people. Someone before me got it absolutely right; moderation is the answer.

I didnt know Malboro put out studies. People think second hand smoke causes damage because of the damage caused by second hand smoke. Also you have no right to be offended because you have a bad habit that harms others. If smoking did nto harm anyone but yourself, then fine, but it doesnt.

While I'm not completely clear on the facts, so I won't even pretend to pick a side of whether or not second hand smoke is harmful, I really have to say... really? "you have no right to be offended"? How many habits do we humans have that harm others on a daily basis? Driving cars was already mentioned, buying products that pollute the air when made, hell, even just looking at your computer screen harms your eyes to some degree. It doesn't matter what you do, you always have the 'right' to be offended. And I use that term loosely, because being angry isn't a right, it's a reaction.

Well, if staring at a screen harms my eyes, then I suffer, but I alone. If you want to kill your own self, fine. My problem is with the habits that have innocent casualties. If someone drinks themselves to death in their own home, I feel bad for them. If someone drinks themselves drunk, gets in a car accident, and kills someone NOT killing their brain, I feel bad for the victim and scorn the drunk. If smokers want to smoke, then let them in a room that is just for them and doesnt let any of the smoke out. Then they can kill themselves and fellow smokers, but leave my lungs out of it.

See, the way this is phrased is an improvement from the last argument, I thought you were solely discriminating just because they smoked. If they do so in the company of others who wish that they don't, is a completely different story. Then they are just an ass. With lung cancer. But those who only do it alone, in the company of other smokers, or of those that don't mind, then I see no reason to treat them differently in any aspect just because they smoke.

 

[Miumaru]

I gotta say, im pretty offended by the question "How can you live with yourselves?"

Why honestly, does everyone care so much about people smoking? Studies show that second hand smoke does not harm anyone, the only reason that people think so is because of smear campaigns against the tobacco industry.

That said, I'm only a party smoker. I'll do it occasionally but wont go out to buy cigarettes or anything. I just stinge off other people. Someone before me got it absolutely right; moderation is the answer.

I didnt know Malboro put out studies. People think second hand smoke causes damage because of the damage caused by second hand smoke. Also you have no right to be offended because you have a bad habit that harms others. If smoking did nto harm anyone but yourself, then fine, but it doesnt.

While I'm not completely clear on the facts, so I won't even pretend to pick a side of whether or not second hand smoke is harmful, I really have to say... really? "you have no right to be offended"? How many habits do we humans have that harm others on a daily basis? Driving cars was already mentioned, buying products that pollute the air when made, hell, even just looking at your computer screen harms your eyes to some degree. It doesn't matter what you do, you always have the 'right' to be offended. And I use that term loosely, because being angry isn't a right, it's a reaction.

Well, if staring at a screen harms my eyes, then I suffer, but I alone. If you want to kill your own self, fine. My problem is with the habits that have innocent casualties. If someone drinks themselves to death in their own home, I feel bad for them. If someone drinks themselves drunk, gets in a car accident, and kills someone NOT killing their brain, I feel bad for the victim and scorn the drunk. If smokers want to smoke, then let them in a room that is just for them and doesnt let any of the smoke out. Then they can kill themselves and fellow smokers, but leave my lungs out of it.

See, the way this is phrased is an improvement from the last argument, I thought you were solely discriminating just because they smoked. If they do so in the company of others who wish that they don't, is a completely different story. Then they are just an ass. With lung cancer. But those who only do it alone, in the company of other smokers, or of those that don't mind, then I see no reason to treat them differently in any aspect just because they smoke.

I know it is too much to hope that all smokers will suddenly stop. I think Smokers however should understand and not complain about going out of their way to keep those who do not want it safe. Just as I would have to avoid swearing if I went to a pre school.

 

[Lord Thodin]

1. They can live with themselves because the smoking hasnt killed them yet.
2. Probably bad but it mellowed them out, so it was worth trying again.
3. Cigars look straight ballin.

 

[CrazyMedic]

you are the kind of person I hate, the person who sat though all the anti drug bs lectures they give you at school and think they are true , if you dug your head out of your ass and did objective research instead of instantly discrediting anything that contradicts you, you would find that while second hand smoke does harm and I think the kind of people who smoke on a busy street are assholes but if I choose to step outside into a parking lot and have a smoke sure maybe someone walking by might inhale a little bit. besides I will stop smoking when they make everything that is bad for you illegal like in demolition man right now more people die everyday from having bacon every morning then do from smoking, and while malboro did put out bullshit ad campaigns the anti cigarette people put out even worse ads that out and out lie.

 

[Sea Auteur]

I gotta say, im pretty offended by the question "How can you live with yourselves?"

Why honestly, does everyone care so much about people smoking? Studies show that second hand smoke does not harm anyone, the only reason that people think so is because of smear campaigns against the tobacco industry.

That said, I'm only a party smoker. I'll do it occasionally but wont go out to buy cigarettes or anything. I just stinge off other people. Someone before me got it absolutely right; moderation is the answer.

I didnt know Malboro put out studies. People think second hand smoke causes damage because of the damage caused by second hand smoke. Also you have no right to be offended because you have a bad habit that harms others. If smoking did nto harm anyone but yourself, then fine, but it doesnt.

While I'm not completely clear on the facts, so I won't even pretend to pick a side of whether or not second hand smoke is harmful, I really have to say... really? "you have no right to be offended"? How many habits do we humans have that harm others on a daily basis? Driving cars was already mentioned, buying products that pollute the air when made, hell, even just looking at your computer screen harms your eyes to some degree. It doesn't matter what you do, you always have the 'right' to be offended. And I use that term loosely, because being angry isn't a right, it's a reaction.

Well, if staring at a screen harms my eyes, then I suffer, but I alone. If you want to kill your own self, fine. My problem is with the habits that have innocent casualties. If someone drinks themselves to death in their own home, I feel bad for them. If someone drinks themselves drunk, gets in a car accident, and kills someone NOT killing their brain, I feel bad for the victim and scorn the drunk. If smokers want to smoke, then let them in a room that is just for them and doesnt let any of the smoke out. Then they can kill themselves and fellow smokers, but leave my lungs out of it.

See, the way this is phrased is an improvement from the last argument, I thought you were solely discriminating just because they smoked. If they do so in the company of others who wish that they don't, is a completely different story. Then they are just an ass. With lung cancer. But those who only do it alone, in the company of other smokers, or of those that don't mind, then I see no reason to treat them differently in any aspect just because they smoke.

I know it is too much to hope that all smokers will suddenly stop. I think Smokers however should understand and not complain about going out of their way to keep those who do not want it safe. Just as I would have to avoid swearing if I went to a pre school.

I doubt that will ever happen; even if it were made illegal, it would just follow in marijuana's tracks, not to mention they probably won't make it illegal because of all the money that makes this world turn. And I think both parties should be considerate of the other. For example, if I were in a room with 3 smokers and didn't want to inhale any, I would move, instead of glaring at the other three and forcing them to. Common courtesy should still exist, whatever the scenario. Except with the swearing in front of pre-schoolers. The little fucks have to learn those words one day, anyways.

 

[Life_Is_A_Mess]

1. I don't care about smoking.
2. I don't smoke, therefore reasons my above answer.
3. No. It's about the image.

More or less this.

 

[ZephrC]

1. I don't smoke, but loaded questions like this, along with a generally stupid judgmental attitude toward smokers that is far too common, make me want to start.
2. My mouth tasted bad. That's pretty much it.
3. Never tried one. Seems a bit excessive to me, but I've never really gotten anything out of smoking, so what do I know?

 

[Cpt_Oblivious]

Quite well thanks, I don't smoke. If you mean smokers, my friends say it's enjoyable and relaxing. Which is fair enough I suppose. Also, if that's your attitude I take it you'll ignore anyone who disagrees with you.

Cool, but it wasn't that fun.

Yes I have, they were pretty neat. I wouldn't take it up as a full-time thing. Just fun for celebrations.

How do I care about smoking? I don't. I like it, and I tend to enjoy the company of smokers. Probably because they tend to be free of any poles stuck up their collective arses.

Also this.

 

[BrainedbySaucepans]

1. Er, what? Are you being serious?

2. First time I ever smoked was a cigar when I was 16, and unlike many people I actually enjoyed it, mainly because I wasn't an idiot so I didn't inhale.

3. See above! I kind of went through smoking in the reverse of the normal progression; starting with an occasional cigar, then moving to smoking a pipe on a regular basis. I've never really seen the point of cigarettes other than something to tend to cravings when you haven't the time to properly enjoy a smoke. A cigar is a beautiful thing; most people abuse them by sucking them down far too quickly, you are supposed to take it slowly, a good cigar can last an entire evening if you savour it and enjoy the subtleties of the flavour. Pipe-smoking is very similar, with less emphasis on inhaling and more on enjoying the experience. Overall, if I'm going to die of lung cancer (I am under no illusions about that) at least I'll do it in style!

People really need to get over the whole second-hand smoke debate. It is proven practically beyond doubt that it is harmful, with the only scientists disagreeing being those sponsored by big tobacco. Therefore only a complete arse would smoke around children or pregnant mothers in an enclosed space. Other than that, well I make a point to only smoke indoors when the only others around are fellow smokers, and would hope that others do the same. Smoking out doors is a completely different matter, we have so many pollutants in our atmosphere that I don't think a bit of tobacco smoke is going to make that much difference.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

1. Smoking is fine by me. I'll only smoke once every few months if I'm in the mood for a cigarette or something, but I don't come unhinged at everyone with a cigarette in any remote proximity to me like some people do.
2. I don't remember exactly what it was like. It's one of those weird feelings that isn't comfortable but you still like it for some reason.
3. It really depends on the cigar. If you buy a cheap cigar it's fucking awful, because they're a lot more rich than something like a cigarette is, so if the flavor is bad (or at least sub par) then you get way too fucking much of it. If you have a high quality cigar it's quite nice, granted you like smoking. Also, there's something about the texture of a cigar that I prefer to a cigarette.

 

[Reverend Del]

Wow, I'm impressed , loaded questions, barbed comments. Yep because I smoke I'm evil, unless I want to quit, in which case I'm merely misguided. Responsible smoker here. Won't smoke around non-smokers, even if they tell me it's okay to do so. I'll step out the door and smoke outside. Won't smoke around children, nor food. My cancer sticks cause cancer for me. Can I still smoke now, please?

 

[jeaniesinsin]

.....why are you even on this thread?