Smoking?

[Aerodyamic]

"Self-righteous snivelling and pointless aggression"

Spoiler: Not a particularly polite response

You've know told us that you'd love to see fewer cars on the road, but how do you feel about the roof on your house? I'm going to take a wild guess, and say that the roofing product is petroleum-based, and had to be shipped by truck from the manufacturer, after being made in a plant, before which the raw materials were extracted either from a sea-bed deposit, or the oil-sands. So, what's more important, the shelter over your head, or the environmental damage caused by every step of the process that created that roof?

Now could you do us smokers a favour: take your complaining about people that CHOOSE to smoke outside and shove it someplace as appropriate as we'd like to shove your pretentious, self-important soap-boxing? I'll choose to smoke, and you can choose to be a grumpy, stuck-up bint, and keep the hell away from me.

2) I propose that all non-smokers start carrying water pistols with red food colouring in 'em. If we have to live with the annoyance of breathing smelly smoke by-products, the smokers can live with the annoyance of wearing food colouring. Seems reasonable to me.

Spoiler: Another impolite response

If you shoot at me with food colouring, I reserve the right to claim you've assaulted me, and defend myself.

BRING IT.

OT:

1: I smoke because it has a relaxing effect, and because I'm an industrial roofer; I inhale as much (if not more) tar during most days at work as I do smoking over the course of the same day.
2. Little bit of a buzz. Sometimes I still get one.
3. They have a different, richer flavour, and smoke slower, so it's more about enjoying the taste and the socialization, when you smoke a cigar or pipe.

Your paraphrasing of my post just makes me label you a jerk in my mind and shall otherwise ignore your certainly as rude action.

I personally don't care if you resolve to ignore me, since your personal rights extend just as far as mine; as far as you can reach to defend yourself. If you're going to harass me about my 'second-hand smoke', I can harass you about your use of vehicles powered by internal combustion, use of power generated by coal-burning plants, use of roads built with petroleum products, and your habitation of a structure that remains waterproof and insulated by petroleum-derived products.

Any one of those things will cause more pollution, and more long-term health stress in the general public than the quantity of second-hand smoke produced by a relatively minuscule percentage of the North American population.

In fact, if you have some burning desire to assume a posture of moral superiority over anyone, start with all the jerks that drives large, gas-guzzling sport utility vehicles, for no reason other than a feeble attempt at compensating for their undeniable lack in other departments.

 

[Miumaru]

Snipping. Again.

You do remember that your first post is the one I took issue with, right? It didn't really have all the nuance and consideration that you're retroactively saying it did. Y'know, the one where you said something along the lines of "anybody that feels victimized by people like me telling them what to do is a pathetic murderer?" I can quote it directly if you'd still like to argue the intent behind it.

I dont have any kindness to the "carefree" smoker. I wont pretend I do. But if you really want me to stop speaking down on them, then I will be quiet, as long as I can punch any smoker I meet everytime they exhale while smoking.

 

[Miumaru]

"Self-righteous snivelling and pointless aggression"

Spoiler: Not a particularly polite response

You've know told us that you'd love to see fewer cars on the road, but how do you feel about the roof on your house? I'm going to take a wild guess, and say that the roofing product is petroleum-based, and had to be shipped by truck from the manufacturer, after being made in a plant, before which the raw materials were extracted either from a sea-bed deposit, or the oil-sands. So, what's more important, the shelter over your head, or the environmental damage caused by every step of the process that created that roof?

Now could you do us smokers a favour: take your complaining about people that CHOOSE to smoke outside and shove it someplace as appropriate as we'd like to shove your pretentious, self-important soap-boxing? I'll choose to smoke, and you can choose to be a grumpy, stuck-up bint, and keep the hell away from me.

2) I propose that all non-smokers start carrying water pistols with red food colouring in 'em. If we have to live with the annoyance of breathing smelly smoke by-products, the smokers can live with the annoyance of wearing food colouring. Seems reasonable to me.

Spoiler: Another impolite response

If you shoot at me with food colouring, I reserve the right to claim you've assaulted me, and defend myself.

BRING IT.

OT:

1: I smoke because it has a relaxing effect, and because I'm an industrial roofer; I inhale as much (if not more) tar during most days at work as I do smoking over the course of the same day.
2. Little bit of a buzz. Sometimes I still get one.
3. They have a different, richer flavour, and smoke slower, so it's more about enjoying the taste and the socialization, when you smoke a cigar or pipe.

Your paraphrasing of my post just makes me label you a jerk in my mind and shall otherwise ignore your certainly as rude action.

I personally don't care if you resolve to ignore me, since your personal rights extend just as far as mine; as far as you can reach to defend yourself. If you're going to harass me about my 'second-hand smoke', I can harass you about your use of vehicles powered by internal combustion, use of power generated by coal-burning plants, use of roads built with petroleum products, and your habitation of a structure that remains waterproof and insulated by petroleum-derived products.

Any one of those things will cause more pollution, and more long-term health stress in the general public than the quantity of second-hand smoke produced by a relatively minuscule percentage of the North American population.

In fact, if you have some burning desire to assume a posture of moral superiority over anyone, start with all the jerks that drives large, gas-guzzling sport utility vehicles, for no reason other than a feeble attempt at compensating for their undeniable lack in other departments.

So do you not drive anywhere or do any of these things yourself? I do not know about the house thing, but I do not drive. And how do you know if I do not already come down on such people? Since this topic is about smoking, then I said my rather critical views on smoking and smokers. But if you want to make a topic about all the harmful things in the world and where they lie on a scale of damage to the human body, go ahead. Maybe I will reply there.

 

[Aerodyamic]

So do you not drive anywhere or do any of these things yourself? I do not know about the house thing, but I do not drive. And how do you know if I do not already come down on such people? Since this topic is about smoking, then I said my rather critical views on smoking and smokers. But if you want to make a topic about all the harmful things in the world and where they lie on a scale of damage to the human body, go ahead. Maybe I will reply there.

Actually, I do drive, because my job dictates that I be able to get myself to any number of places within 1000mi of my home. That's not the point of my comment; the point is that smoking, on any relative scale, if not nearly so bad as narrow-minded zealots like you would have everyone believe.

Furthermore, if you live in a 1st-world country, I will guarantee you that the reason you and your possessions stay dry is because you've got a roof, and I'll hazard a guess that 80%+ of the roofs in North America are made of tar, asphalt, or directly related products. Even the metal roofs have petroleum in most of the paints, and regardless of the material, it had to be delivered by a truck.

Here's the bottom line: my smoking may offend you, but I strive to have relatively little impact on those around me, and I'm rather aware of the health risks I've imposing on myself. Nothing you care to say, do, or think of me will change the fact that I smoke, nor will it alter my generally conscientious behaviour around non-smokers. For example, my mother doesn't smoke, so while driving with her yesterday, I made sure to avoid smoking in the vehicle with her for the 5 hours that we had to drive. As a further example, when my friends with small children are around, I specifically choose to avoid smoking inside when the children are present, and I avoid smoking where the children will see, so that I present an almost negligible health risk, and I also don't shape the perceptions of those children.

Your rapid zealotry is merely an excuse that you've chosen to employ, erroneously imagining that it grants you some sort of moral high ground, when in reality, it makes you look like a frothing lunatic. All your behaviour does is make me wish that you'd get some psychiatric help, and leave other people alone. In fact, what truly scares me is that your behaviour may have a greater impact on small children that mine does, because I take as many steps as I can to avoid exposing children to my bad habits, whereas I could readily believe that you'd pass on your narrow-mindedness to any children you ever have.

 

[Pariah87]

1.How do you feel about it being dangerous for your health?

I feel just fine thanks. We're all going to die. I could die on the drive to work tomorrow, I could get glassed on a night out in town, I could live for another 50 years and die of something completely unrelated to smoking. I often consider quitting for financial reasons, but then I see threads like this. As far as other people go, you're assuming I actually give two shits about the population at large. I follow the laws and I now smoke outside, if someone still feels the need to glare, or cough or otherwise look down on me, that's fine, they can do that. I simply smile and exhale in their direction.

Does that make me an arse? I bloody well hope so. I don't smoke near children, near food or in doorways to public buildings. Until smoking becomes illegal completely then I'm gonna light up and enjoy. Do I deserve to die? In some peoples eyes yes, but I'm already on my way there, just like everybody else, and the only place we're all truly equal is when we're wormfood.

2.How did you feel the first time you tried? (I tried it once,thank god it made me sick and I'm never touching the stuff).

First fag I was twelve, a friend nicked one from his mums pack and we smoked it after school. Didn't heave or cough, didn't find it particularly special either. Never bothered again until I was of legal age. Ah the good old days of a game of pool, a pint and a fag.


3.Ever tried a cigar?What's so special about it?

Cigars are nice, for special occasions only though.


I would like to add that some people may take my above response as aggressive. To a degree it is, I can't stand people who think they should change others based on their own perception of morality. Christians in the street trying to save my soul, vegetarians harping on about principles, anti-smokers. If any of us gave a shit about the views you're trying to force on us, we'd come to you looking for "help". I don't claim to be right, I'm just as much organic scum as the next human being, others need to remember they are not so high and mighty.

 

[Phantomxd]

1) Isn't it amazing that smokers are endlessly asserting their 'right' to smoke but get all annoyed when people question that 'right'. And then complain that you're being unfair and whining when you assert your 'right' to breath air that doesn't stink? Fun times... and the kind of logical argument that only makes sense in the mind of crazy people.

2) I propose that all non-smokers start carrying water pistols with red food colouring in 'em. If we have to live with the annoyance of breathing smelly smoke by-products, the smokers can live with the annoyance of wearing food colouring. Seems reasonable to me.

I was gona rant but u gota be trolling .....

 

[Clay More]

1. I am heavy smoker and it kinda p**s me off but.... you know...addiction.
2. Most people are sick but I was OK.
3. Yes I did and you fell like a rich guy... well thats probably it

 

[tigermilk]

The rationalising process is really interesting "I'm just a social smoker" "I only smoke a few". My rationalising process is I only smoke occasionally with cannabis. So we are all immune to cancer right?