So I got a warning for sayingCritialGaming said:They will only make 12 of them and nobody will be able to buy it. I wonder how long nintendo will be able to do this to people....oh wait, nintendo fans are idiots that will support all stupid decisions by that company because Mario offers secret handjobs behind Papa John's.
in Religion and Politics. Apparently I was insulting someone, I am obviously disputing the warning. Still though, you flat out called many people idiots. You should be careful.ME said:If you are about to go all SJW on me, I'm out.
How? You already have all the SNES carts that you want, you already have all the SNES games you want on one of the virtual consoles? Some other way?Ezekiel said:I don't get the appeal. I can already play all the SNES games I want.
The difference is doing generalization of insults. Like "fans" versus you directly calling someone a name. It's like directly calling someone a racist versus a general statement of "All Trump supporters are blah blah blah yadda whatever"WeepingAngels said:So I got a warning for sayingCritialGaming said:They will only make 12 of them and nobody will be able to buy it. I wonder how long nintendo will be able to do this to people....oh wait, nintendo fans are idiots that will support all stupid decisions by that company because Mario offers secret handjobs behind Papa John's.in Religion and Politics. Apparently I was insulting someone, I am obviously disputing the warning. Still though, you flat out called many people idiots. You should be careful.ME said:If you are about to go all SJW on me, I'm out.
Anyway, yeah I saw many people complain that Nintendo discontinued the NES Classic and then in the same post begged for Nintendo to do it fans again by making an SNES Classic. I think they enjoy chasing products they cannot get.
First of all, I didn't call anyone an SJW, I just said 'If you are one and about to jump on the Trump hate train then I am out'. I just don't care enough about Trump to have a meaningful or interesting debate. I guess it's kinda nice though that calling someone an SJW is officially (according to Escapist mods) an insult.CritialGaming said:Well actually I do, I understand that Nintendo has many people by the balls, and if those people want to get the games they love, they have to suck nintendo off, or nintendo wont release anything. Holding your fans hostage is not a good look for a company.
But we aren't talking about theivary here. We are talking about people literally telling Nintendo, "Hey we wanna buy these things from you, please make them." And Nintendo going, "Nah, money is stupid and we hate it."WeepingAngels said:First of all, I didn't call anyone an SJW, I just said 'If you are one and about to jump on the Trump hate train then I am out'. I just don't care enough about Trump to have a meaningful or interesting debate. I guess it's kinda nice though that calling someone an SJW is officially (according to Escapist mods) an insult.CritialGaming said:Well actually I do, I understand that Nintendo has many people by the balls, and if those people want to get the games they love, they have to suck nintendo off, or nintendo wont release anything. Holding your fans hostage is not a good look for a company.
OT: Nintendo doesn't have anyone by the balls who doesn't choose to be 'had'. Every game they are likely to release on an official emulator like the NES/SNES Classics is available on one of the Virtual Consoles. If fans don't want to go that route than go to a retro store (or online) and get the real carts. Nintendo has no one by the balls but they are often anti-consumer with all the artificial scarcity BS. Nintendo is 80% to blame and those fans who think they have to have Nintendo things are the other 20% of the blame. It's like a thief (80%) who breaks into unlocked cars and then people who defend the thief because the cars were unlocked (20%). Both are to blame for the thief's continued behavior.
It's true but there is more to it than that. Nintendo saves money by being ultra conservative with manufacturing and not doing proper market research and I believe that is where this scarcity usually comes from. Nintendo fans defending them and also begging for more of the same is only encouraging Nintendo to keep it up.CritialGaming said:But we aren't talking about theivary here. We are talking about people literally telling Nintendo, "Hey we wanna buy these things from you, please make them." And Nintendo going, "Nah, money is stupid and we hate it."WeepingAngels said:First of all, I didn't call anyone an SJW, I just said 'If you are one and about to jump on the Trump hate train then I am out'. I just don't care enough about Trump to have a meaningful or interesting debate. I guess it's kinda nice though that calling someone an SJW is officially (according to Escapist mods) an insult.CritialGaming said:Well actually I do, I understand that Nintendo has many people by the balls, and if those people want to get the games they love, they have to suck nintendo off, or nintendo wont release anything. Holding your fans hostage is not a good look for a company.
OT: Nintendo doesn't have anyone by the balls who doesn't choose to be 'had'. Every game they are likely to release on an official emulator like the NES/SNES Classics is available on one of the Virtual Consoles. If fans don't want to go that route than go to a retro store (or online) and get the real carts. Nintendo has no one by the balls but they are often anti-consumer with all the artificial scarcity BS. Nintendo is 80% to blame and those fans who think they have to have Nintendo things are the other 20% of the blame. It's like a thief (80%) who breaks into unlocked cars and then people who defend the thief because the cars were unlocked (20%). Both are to blame for the thief's continued behavior.
So why are we disagreeing now that Nintendo fans are partially to blame for Nintendo's continued anti-consumer behavior?nintendo fans are *the type* that will support all stupid decisions
it's only a rumor.Natemans said:So its been announced that they want to release a SNES classic.
I'd be happy if the NES classic wasn't discontinued nor bug me that its an obvious cash grab for nostalgia.
just because you can doesn't mean other people can.Ezekiel said:I don't get the appeal. I can already play all the SNES games I want.
I understand manufacturing cost, and I don't blame Nintendo for doing a conservative number of the consoles. But once the things sold out in seconds, any reasonable business would produce more. But Nintendo doesn't (at least not for Amiibos and the Classics), they just stop making them.WeepingAngels said:It's true but there is more to it than that. Nintendo saves money by being ultra conservative with manufacturing and not doing proper market research and I believe that is where this scarcity usually comes from. Nintendo fans defending them and also begging for more of the same is only encouraging Nintendo to keep it up.
I thought earlier you said:So why are we disagreeing now that Nintendo fans are partially to blame for Nintendo's continued anti-consumer behavior?nintendo fans are *the type* that will support all stupid decisions
Well in truth, anyone with eyes and an internet connection could see the excitement and demand for the NES Classic when it was announced. Nintendo literally had no excuse to manufacture so few unless they did no market research at all. Like you said too, once even Nintendo couldn't ignore the demand they still didn't put any real effort into meeting demand. They are 80% to blame but the people who defend them and ask them to repeat this disaster with another Classic mini system are to blame too.CritialGaming said:I understand manufacturing cost, and I don't blame Nintendo for doing a conservative number of the consoles. But once the things sold out in seconds, any reasonable business would produce more. But Nintendo doesn't (at least not for Amiibos and the Classics), they just stop making them.WeepingAngels said:It's true but there is more to it than that. Nintendo saves money by being ultra conservative with manufacturing and not doing proper market research and I believe that is where this scarcity usually comes from. Nintendo fans defending them and also begging for more of the same is only encouraging Nintendo to keep it up.
I thought earlier you said:So why are we disagreeing now that Nintendo fans are partially to blame for Nintendo's continued anti-consumer behavior?nintendo fans are *the type* that will support all stupid decisions
Think of it this way, if I make a product that I'm unsure that will sell it is reasonable that I'll only make a limited number of them. Say 10,000. But if that product sells out almost instantly and people clammor for me to make more, I wouldn't shake my head and say no. I'd make more.
Why sell 10,000 units when I can sell 100,000 units? 250,000?
Would you like a million dollars or ten million dollars?
THAT! is what doesn't make sense to me. They clearly have the production capability, so that isn't an excuse. It isn't parts, it isn't even production cost. There is literally NO REASON to have not made more.
And I can promise you. IF they do an SNES version, it will be just as rare. Not only that but depending on the games they put on the system, it might even have a HIGHER demand. I mean if they stuck Super Metroid, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 6, on this thing. I'd pay 50 bucks just for that. Nevermind any other titles they put on it.
Maybe if Nintendo would tell us why. Maybe it was because the machine was hacked but then why not patch the holes on newer models. If they are making an SNES Classic then surely they are capable of patching the hole.BaldursGateTemple said:I don't understand why Nintendo denies people to give them free money. It doesn't make business sense to me. I would've gladly bought an NES Classic if they produced enough of them no question. It's like a game that Nintendo is playing, a very annoying one at that. It makes people care about them less and less.WeepingAngels said:It's true but there is more to it than that. Nintendo saves money by being ultra conservative with manufacturing and not doing proper market research and I believe that is where this scarcity usually comes from. Nintendo fans defending them and also begging for more of the same is only encouraging Nintendo to keep it up.CritialGaming said:But we aren't talking about theivary here. We are talking about people literally telling Nintendo, "Hey we wanna buy these things from you, please make them." And Nintendo going, "Nah, money is stupid and we hate it."WeepingAngels said:First of all, I didn't call anyone an SJW, I just said 'If you are one and about to jump on the Trump hate train then I am out'. I just don't care enough about Trump to have a meaningful or interesting debate. I guess it's kinda nice though that calling someone an SJW is officially (according to Escapist mods) an insult.CritialGaming said:Well actually I do, I understand that Nintendo has many people by the balls, and if those people want to get the games they love, they have to suck nintendo off, or nintendo wont release anything. Holding your fans hostage is not a good look for a company.
OT: Nintendo doesn't have anyone by the balls who doesn't choose to be 'had'. Every game they are likely to release on an official emulator like the NES/SNES Classics is available on one of the Virtual Consoles. If fans don't want to go that route than go to a retro store (or online) and get the real carts. Nintendo has no one by the balls but they are often anti-consumer with all the artificial scarcity BS. Nintendo is 80% to blame and those fans who think they have to have Nintendo things are the other 20% of the blame. It's like a thief (80%) who breaks into unlocked cars and then people who defend the thief because the cars were unlocked (20%). Both are to blame for the thief's continued behavior.
I thought earlier you said:So why are we disagreeing now that Nintendo fans are partially to blame for Nintendo's continued anti-consumer behavior?nintendo fans are *the type* that will support all stupid decisions
or you could always just preorder it like a normal person who wants one would.WeepingAngels said:1) After the way they treated consumers with the NES Classic, I don't want one now. 2) Even if I still wanted one, it isn't worth the frustration of trying to find one.
*tipshat* genuine lol'd.McMarbles said:I can't wait to not be able to buy this.