So any Judge Dredd/2000AD fans?

[userwhoquitthesite]

Oh thank God, a thread where I can finally ask my question:

In the Judge Dredd universe, do judges also deal with civil cases such as employment law or family law?

Cos that would be awesome. Also, really liked the movie... wondering how well it did...

yes. But with 97% unemployment and population levels that could generously be called insane (one man dies simply by walking into a smoking area) civil cases are few and far between, if only because so much of the law we think of has been rescinded. For example, in one comic, a man comes to Mega-City 1 to become a renowned comic book writer and artist (a foolish dream, as all comics are written by robots, no one reads those haphazard human-produced ones anymore!) and shows his work to a major publisher. While his comic is OBVIOUSLY inferior to the comic-bot's work, they like it anyway, because, hey, maybe this laughably imperfect comic will sell better than the predictable comic-bot that audiences are growing tired of! So obviously, they want to take his work, stamp the comic-bot's name on it, and sell it.
This is not a crime in Dredd's world.
In fact, the artist is banished from the city as a mercy, instead of the life imprisonment he "deserves" by the end of the comic


and the movie did horribly. go buy three more copies of the bluray. we need a sequel!

 

[MetalDooley]

My avatar should answer your question OP.Collected 2000AD for about 12 years and while I don't buy it anymore I'll still pick up a copy and have a sneaky read if I see one in a shop

Favourite characters - Dredd,Sláine and Rogue Trooper

So I literally just finished watching Dredd for the first time about half an hour ago. I have not read any of the comics nor had I seen the old Sly Stallone flick.

Just from the new movie, I'm a fan. It's got a cool dystopian feel and the idea of following a cop who functions as all steps in the judicial process makes for compelling entertainment. If the opportunity presented itself, I would most certainly look into the comics now.

Since 2005 they've been reprinting every Dredd story in 2 series called "The Complete Case Files" and "The Restricted Case Files".Probably a good place to start if you're interested in more Dreddy goodness

http://www.2000adonline.com/books/judge_dredd_case_files_01.php

I think Dredd is really crying out for a good game based on it. I'm thinking something along the lines of GTA or Sleeping Dogs (or for that matter Crackdown)

In fact basically Crackdown but with more depth, set in MegacityOne and your character doesnt have superpowers, you're just a baddass, with RPG elements (cos every game has them these days)

And it would have coop play with you and your mates playing different types of Judges (say, street judges, tech judges, med judges and psi judges as four classes)

In fact why does this game not exist? It's times like this I really wish I had any actual influence with the video games industry or the skill and time to make it myself via kickstarter.... Alas not though.

Still I can dream (ps, Rockstar, please buy the licence to Dredd....)

What's even weirder is that for the last 13 years 2000AD has been owned by Rebellion who are a video game developer and yet in that time all we've gotten is the rather mediocre Dredd vs Death(2003),the pretty good Rogue Trooper(2006) and the Dredd vs Zombies iOS game(2011).They have a ridiculous library of characters and stories to base games off of yet they don't seem to be doing anything with them

 

[Worthenstein]

Yep - big fan. I actually like both films, but Urban rules. I hope the sequel gets made as Alex Garland (writer and producer) has stated he intended a trilogy featuring the dark judges at some point. I started getting 2000AD for a few years back around Prog 1000. Love all the dark judges storylines. A couple of offshoot characters (from the Megazine and the weekly) I enjoyed were Missionary Man (which is what Garth Ennis' Just a Pilgrim drew heavily from) and Outlaw (pretty bad future western which 'borrowed' heavily from The Quick & The Dead).

 

[optimusjamie]

Started reading 2000AD about a year ago, in the run-up to the Karl Urban movie.

To be honest, I don't really like the Dark Judges. The first two storylines, Judge Death and Judge Death Lives were brilliant, but more recent strips with them in are kind of lacking.

 

[grey_space]

I still want to have Johnny Alpha's babies.

Does that answer your question?

I liked Dreadd loved the dark Judges storylines. Loved PSI Anderson for many many years. Mean machine was awesome, Rouge Trooper had genuinely inspired storytelling that has rarely been matched since in my view...

Slaine, the first ever genuine Irish Superhero (never mind that Banshhee fuck from Marvel) I ever read about.

And that's just to name a few.

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

I kept hoping that they would add Dredd to the roster of INJUSTICE: Gods Among Us. I think DC used to publish Dredd in the states or had some relationship with 3000 A.D. at some point. But alas it wasn't meant to be I suppose. Shame really. His alt costumes could have been "Urbanized" which would be the 2012 movie version, and "Sly" which would naturally be the Stallone look.

Dredd deserves a better game than Injustice. Sad to say I don't think he'll ever get one

I dunno what you're on about, INJUSTICE was great.

But it would be nice if he could get a (good) shooter. Back on the original Xbox (and probably the PS2) they made a Dredd shooter, but it was so bad I've been actively trying to forget it since I played it. Probably 10 years ago at this point.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

I dunno what you're on about, INJUSTICE was great.

But it would be nice if he could get a (good) shooter. Back on the original Xbox (and probably the PS2) they made a Dredd shooter, but it was so bad I've been actively trying to forget it since I played it. Probably 10 years ago at this point.

injustice is a hamfisted fighter with serious balance issues and awful animation. That's par for the course as far as Netherrealms is concerned, but even if it's the best they've ever done, it still isn't particularly GOOD.

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

I dunno what you're on about, INJUSTICE was great.

But it would be nice if he could get a (good) shooter. Back on the original Xbox (and probably the PS2) they made a Dredd shooter, but it was so bad I've been actively trying to forget it since I played it. Probably 10 years ago at this point.

injustice is a hamfisted fighter with serious balance issues and awful animation. That's par for the course as far as Netherrealms is concerned, but even if it's the best they've ever done, it still isn't particularly GOOD.

I respectfully disagree with pretty much every word of that.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

I respectfully disagree with pretty much every word of that.

why do you disagree? It's demonstrable.
animation: characters are ugly (manfaced women, weird proportions, etc) and the character's movements have this weird rubber band thing that in no way resembles actual motion.
balance: the game is on its 5th major patch and still has huge problems with movespam (superman especially)

But more to the point, when I said that dredd deserved a better game, I was more meaning that a guest appearance in a (basically) 2D fighter doesn't live up to Dredd's potential.

Dredd should be a 1st or 3rd person action/adventure game with a heavy emphasis on character highlights and atmosphere. But while those sorts of games turn out well sometimes, most (especially for a licensed product) turn out to be poop

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

I respectfully disagree with pretty much every word of that.

why do you disagree? It's demonstrable.
animation: characters are ugly (manfaced women, weird proportions, etc) and the character's movements have this weird rubber band thing that in no way resembles actual motion.
balance: the game is on its 5th major patch and still has huge problems with movespam (superman especially)

But more to the point, when I said that dredd deserved a better game, I was more meaning that a guest appearance in a (basically) 2D fighter doesn't live up to Dredd's potential.

Dredd should be a 1st or 3rd person action/adventure game with a heavy emphasis on character highlights and atmosphere. But while those sorts of games turn out well sometimes, most (especially for a licensed product) turn out to be poop

I just didn't find the game balance to be a problem. The spams are usually beatable and I kinda feel like it's on the player to beat people who try that rather than up to the company to weaken every move that one person abuses. A few moves were overpowered when the game first came out, but everything has a counter. At least in my experience. You can't go nerfing every thing a player abuses, it's up to the community to find what works and what doesn't and to punish the Superman spammers of the world. I think it's easy to cry "UNBALANCED", I think it's more challenging and rewarding to let the spammers try to zone while I close in and beat them anyway.

As for the movement of the characters, I also think you're being hyper critical of the animations. They may not be the best thing ever put out, but they're serviceable. And more to the point, the second to second gameplay is what matters most in a fighter. INJUSTICE had that down pretty well. As for "manfaced" women, I honestly couldn't care less so long as I enjoy the gameplay. They could be stick figures for all I care so long as the game plays well.

In the interest of transparency, I'm not some huge Fighter Game enthusiast. So there may be things I'm unaware of as far as tournament level stuff goes. I watched a few EVO matches and played the game for a few weeks. But I liked what I played and I can only speak to my personal experience in response to your question. I guess the simpler answer would have been to just say "I enjoyed it", but I don't like to come off as lazy.

As for DREDD, I do agree with what you're saying there. I'd love a good DREDD shooter or maybe even a MEGA CITY ONE open-world game. That could be pretty amazing if the right team got behind it. Here's hoping, right?

 

[dreddfan]

Just thought I'd ask as I got bought up on old school 2000AD are there any fans on the escapist? If yeah, whats your favourite strip?
Dredd is always first with Sinister/Dexter and Rogue Trooper joint second

What can I say?

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

I just didn't find the game balance to be a problem. The spams are usually beatable and I kinda feel like it's on the player to beat people who try that rather than up to the company to weaken every move that one person abuses. A few moves were overpowered when the game first came out, but everything has a counter. At least in my experience. You can't go nerfing every thing a player abuses, it's up to the community to find what works and what doesn't and to punish the Superman spammers of the world. I think it's easy to cry "UNBALANCED", I think it's more challenging and rewarding to let the spammers try to zone while I close in and beat them anyway.

As for the movement of the characters, I also think you're being hyper critical of the animations. They may not be the best thing ever put out, but they're serviceable. And more to the point, the second to second gameplay is what matters most in a fighter. INJUSTICE had that down pretty well. As for "manfaced" women, I honestly couldn't care less so long as I enjoy the gameplay. They could be stick figures for all I care so long as the game plays well.

In the interest of transparency, I'm not some huge Fighter Game enthusiast. So there may be things I'm unaware of as far as tournament level stuff goes. I watched a few EVO matches and played the game for a few weeks. But I liked what I played and I can only speak to my personal experience in response to your question. I guess the simpler answer would have been to just say "I enjoyed it", but I don't like to come off as lazy.

As for DREDD, I do agree with what you're saying there. I'd love a good DREDD shooter or maybe even a MEGA CITY ONE open-world game. That could be pretty amazing if the right team got behind it. Here's hoping, right?

See, i'm right there with you: i play fighting games for the fun of simple violence. The problem is I attend a college almost wholly populated by tourneyfags, so I DO have to deal with the shitheel behavior that comes with that crowd. I never said Injustice was BAD, it just isn't as great as people say.
I do have to point out, you said you disagreed with every point I made, then proceeded to say that rather than disagree, those points just "dont matter".
The art is ugly. if that doesn't matter to YOU, then great, but it does to a lot of people and they made an ugly game.
Movespam is only okay if there's a WAY to get around it, to punish it. for instance, Lantern's minigun move is easy to deploy, but if you try and just use it to control a match, a good player will wreck you for doing so. Superman's aerial laser attack on the other hand let you completely dominate a match (though i'm told this has been fixed), which ruins the fun of the game.
You can certainly have fun with the game, and I wouldn't tell you otherwise. I just think it is another netherrealms product that, were it not for the license involved, wouldn't be half as popular as it is.

As for Dredd, I think it'd have to be something like GTA, only with an actual melee system, which of course would be a shit-ton of work for a game that no one will buy, because Dredd is not a moneymaker name. You can get lucky, of course, but I think the best we'd get would be a bog-standard brown 3PS with Dredd-themed skins painted on. Plus, you know they'd make the villain Rico or the Dark Judges (because that's what the people who have heard of dredd, but dont follow it, know) and that would suck. Especially the fight with Judge Fear, which would be a QTE that ends exactly how you think it does. Or would that be awesome? I can't tell. probably stupid though

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

I do have to point out, you said you disagreed with every point I made, then proceeded to say that rather than disagree, those points just "dont matter".

I feel like your under the assumption that we're having a debate and I was just trying to have a conversation. But most of your points are subjective to your opinions and experiences. They aren't facts. You say the game is unbalanced, I say it's been fine since the first patch. You say Superman spammers are unfair, I say they're easy to deal with. You say it's ugly, I say the graphics are irrelevant. It's all subjective. No right or wrong in any of that, just different points of view.

 

[userwhoquitthesite]

I feel like your under the assumption that we're having a debate and I was just trying to have a conversation. But most of your points are subjective to your opinions and experiences. They aren't facts. You say the game is unbalanced, I say it's been fine since the first patch. You say Superman spammers are unfair, I say they're easy to deal with. You say it's ugly, I say the graphics are irrelevant. It's all subjective. No right or wrong in any of that, just different points of view.

If the game had been balanced in the first version, things wouldn't have needed to be changed. Superman might be easier to deal with now, but for a good while he was almost impossible to deal with. Graphics being "irrelevant" is you making an excuse for what you perceive as an attack on your ability to enjoy the game freely. Which is stupid. whether the graphics matter is ITSELF irrelevant, because the initial claim was that the game was ugly, and you stated you disagreed. I'm not trying to hold you to any sort of standardized debate rules, i'm merely asking you to understand the language you are using to waste time talking about Batman VS Superman Punchies: The Game.

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

I feel like your under the assumption that we're having a debate and I was just trying to have a conversation. But most of your points are subjective to your opinions and experiences. They aren't facts. You say the game is unbalanced, I say it's been fine since the first patch. You say Superman spammers are unfair, I say they're easy to deal with. You say it's ugly, I say the graphics are irrelevant. It's all subjective. No right or wrong in any of that, just different points of view.

If the game had been balanced in the first version, things wouldn't have needed to be changed. Superman might be easier to deal with now, but for a good while he was almost impossible to deal with. Graphics being "irrelevant" is you making an excuse for what you perceive as an attack on your ability to enjoy the game freely. Which is stupid. whether the graphics matter is ITSELF irrelevant, because the initial claim was that the game was ugly, and you stated you disagreed. I'm not trying to hold you to any sort of standardized debate rules, i'm merely asking you to understand the language you are using to waste time talking about Batman VS Superman Punchies: The Game.

Perceived attack? Are you kidding?

I can't imagine what makes you think anything I've said is some kind of desire for validation but I assure you I'm secure in my opinions. I liked INJUSTICE. I think it looked fine, I think it played fine, and I had fun with it. If you did not, then I feel bad for you if you spent $60 on it.

I don't want to put too fine a point on it, but "disagree" pretty much covers it. You think the game was ugly, I think it looked fine. That's really all there is to it. It's fine. Not gorgeous, not mind blowing. But it looks fine for a multi-plaform game being released on current gen hardware in 2013. I say it's irrelevant because the gameplay would be fun even if it were just wire frames. Don't really think I need the bullet point flow chart for this one.

As I said earlier, I think your points were hyper-critical and to say that it should have been "balanced in the first place" shows an unreasonable expectation on your part. Online games always need tweaks and they were quick to provide them. Your prime example isn't even a balance issue. Superman spamming is an exploit, not an imbalance. And it was never unbeatable. All fighters have a difficult move from one character or another, but you can't just go around nerfing everything right out of the gate. That's not how it works. The community finds the exploits, the community finds ways around it. And if a problem persists, then it gets a tweak. It's been fine since mere days after launch with bigger patches and constant adjustments being made to ensure a good time for players. Testing can only do so much and no team is perfect. On day one millions of people line up to get a copy and hop online. No one has the resources to test for every conceivable possibility and they have done an admirable job in keeping the game in good shape.

Right or wrong, it's late here in Texas and I'm getting tired. So I'm done for the night. Cross your fingers and hope we get that open-world DREDD shooter some day.

Lastly, I think we both need to apologize to marcooos for derailing his(or her) thread with this. If you'd like to continue the discussion, I invite you to send me a PM lest we hog the thread further with our off-topic banter.

Good night.