So, apparently WW is pretty good.

[Natemans]

More reviews are in and so far its positive:

Are women superheroes now? Do I have to get over it?
I hope Salon or The Mary Sue writes an article that tells me how to feel because they said Ghostbusters 2016 was good as well bht I feel like it was terrible depsite being aggresivly told otherwise.

I thought current third wave femenists these days already hate Wonder Woman.

I find that odd since most I've talked to or seen really like Wonder Woman.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I thought current third wave femenists these days already hate Wonder Woman.

I find that odd since most I've talked to or seen really like Wonder Woman.

I am also confused.

I mean, I've heard criticisms over specific aspects of various characterizations or plot points occasionally, especially regarding the New52, but not the character in general.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

HOLY SHIT PEOPLE ARE SAYING IT'S GOOD NOW [https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/5/30/15715322/wonder-woman-rotten-tomatoes-score]

I am so happy to have mainstream validation you guys

woops my insecurity is showing

I thought current third wave femenists these days already hate Wonder Woman.

...source?

It's not exactly a consensus opinion, but yes, I have seen ostensibly-feminist arguments against Wonder Woman for various reasons, ranging from "she's too attractive" to "she glorifies and fetishizes a masculine concept of violence" to "miniskirts."

It's mostly just people trying to get attention by attacking a character who's generally considered to be a lodestone for positive portrayals of women in comic books.

Edit: Not to say that comic book writers always get Wonder Woman right, (looking at you, Frank Miller) but overall, Wonder Woman is A Good Thing for feminism and for female representation in the comic book industry.

 

[Basement Cat]

More reviews are in and so far its positive:

Are women superheroes now? Do I have to get over it?
I hope Salon or The Mary Sue writes an article that tells me how to feel because they said Ghostbusters 2016 was good as well bht I feel like it was terrible depsite being aggresivly told otherwise.

I thought current third wave femenists these days already hate Wonder Woman.

There are some women/feminists (not necessarily one and the same) who disapprove of Wonder Woman, yes.

But they are in the minority by far.

Wonder Woman is THE superhero(ine) for women and girls all around the world. Mostly because she's practically the only one truly known world wide (in no small part to the character being 80 years old) but also because the character is one they admire.

Seriously, there was an entire generation of girls in the 70's who ran around wearing tinfoil "bracers" pretending to deflect bullets. Millions of 'em. All over the planet. All thanks to the Wonder Woman TV series. Lynda Carter inspired an entire generation of girls to believe that they could be strong and independent by playing a comic book character on TV.

I was alive in the 70's. Back then it was a common consensus that only man haters, ugly women and lesbians could be feminists. If you haven't been around as long then trust me when I say that Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman was a game changing series for countless millions from that generation.

I foresee that this movie could readily make $1 billion world wide in the coming weeks and months. Moreover, I foresee Wonder Woman costumes being the preferred choice for girls next Halloween.

Even more popular than Elsa from Frozen! *gasps*

BTW: This was one of the rallying songs of the 70's.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

HOLY SHIT PEOPLE ARE SAYING IT'S GOOD NOW [https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/5/30/15715322/wonder-woman-rotten-tomatoes-score]

I am so happy to have mainstream validation you guys

woops my insecurity is showing

I thought current third wave femenists these days already hate Wonder Woman.

...source?

It's not exactly a consensus opinion, but yes, I have seen ostensibly-feminist arguments against Wonder Woman for various reasons, ranging from "she's too attractive" to "she glorifies and fetishizes a masculine concept of violence" to "miniskirts."

It's mostly just people trying to get attention by attacking a character who's generally considered to be a lodestone for positive portrayals of women in comic books.

Edit: Not to say that comic book writers always get Wonder Woman right, (looking at you, Frank Miller) but overall, Wonder Woman is A Good Thing for feminism and for female representation in the comic book industry.

Yeah it seems feminist critique has less to do with wonder woman

And more to do with how she's written and portrayed by male writers

Frank Miller is a hack

New 52 sucks

Etc etc

Eh I have yet to see anything that truly makes the New 52 that abysmmal.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

More reviews are in and so far its positive:

Are women superheroes now? Do I have to get over it?
I hope Salon or The Mary Sue writes an article that tells me how to feel because they said Ghostbusters 2016 was good as well bht I feel like it was terrible depsite being aggresivly told otherwise.

I thought current third wave femenists these days already hate Wonder Woman.

There are some women/feminists (not necessarily one and the same) who disapprove of Wonder Woman, yes.

But they are in the minority by far.

Wonder Woman is THE superhero(ine) for women and girls all around the world. Mostly because she's practically the only one truly known world wide (in no small part to the character being 80 years old) but also because the character is one they admire.

Seriously, there was an entire generation of girls in the 70's who ran around wearing tinfoil "bracers" pretending to deflect bullets. Millions of 'em. All over the planet. All thanks to the Wonder Woman TV series. Lynda Carter inspired an entire generation of girls to believe that they could be strong and independent by playing a comic book character on TV.

I was alive in the 70's. Back then it was a common consensus that only man haters, ugly women and lesbians could be feminists. If you haven't been around as long then trust me when I say that Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman was a game changing series for countless millions from that generation.

I foresee that this movie could readily make $1 billion world wide in the coming weeks and months. Moreover, I foresee Wonder Woman costumes being the preferred choice for girls next Halloween.

Even more popular than Elsa from Frozen! *gasps*

BTW: This was one of the rallying songs of the 70's.

And that's why I hate that fact that apperently she's the only famous one because she's known outside of Comic Books, and the casual mainstream audiance don't even bother looking at Female Heroes and Villains that are not female versions of established characters, I mean just look at the list of Female Charcaters in Comic Books that are relevent to their universe:

DC:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/characters/?letter=&gender=female&sortBy=appearance&___movies=&publishers%5B0%5D=4010-10&___publishers=&___friends=&___enemies=&___teams=

Marvel:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/characters/?letter=&gender=female&sortBy=appearance&___movies=&publishers%5B1%5D=4010-31&___publishers=&___friends=&___enemies=&___teams=

 

[Basement Cat]

And that's why I hate that fact that apperently she's the only famous one because she's known outside of Comic Books, and the casual mainstream audiance don't even bother looking at Female Heroes and Villains that are not female versions of established characters, I mean just look at the list of Female Charcaters in Comic Books that are relevent to their universe:

DC:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/characters/?letter=&gender=female&sortBy=appearance&___movies=&publishers%5B0%5D=4010-10&___publishers=&___friends=&___enemies=&___teams=

Marvel:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/characters/?letter=&gender=female&sortBy=appearance&___movies=&publishers%5B1%5D=4010-31&___publishers=&___friends=&___enemies=&___teams=

Yeah, it sucks that so few are known.

The comparative lack of numbers of female superheroes over the past 80 years might have something to do with it, of course. And the fact that male characters get the green light for movies far, far, far easier ("A film about a woman won't sell! Just look at Catwoman and Electra while ignoring that they both sucked!") has a lot to do with it, too.

Throw in sexism, prejudice, etc (in the 70's through to today)...I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

And that's why I hate that fact that apperently she's the only famous one because she's known outside of Comic Books, and the casual mainstream audiance don't even bother looking at Female Heroes and Villains that are not female versions of established characters, I mean just look at the list of Female Charcaters in Comic Books that are relevent to their universe:

DC:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/characters/?letter=&gender=female&sortBy=appearance&___movies=&publishers%5B0%5D=4010-10&___publishers=&___friends=&___enemies=&___teams=

Marvel:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/characters/?letter=&gender=female&sortBy=appearance&___movies=&publishers%5B1%5D=4010-31&___publishers=&___friends=&___enemies=&___teams=

Yeah, it sucks that so few are known.

The comparative lack of numbers of female superheroes over the past 80 years might have something to do with it, of course. And the fact that male characters get the green light for movies far, far, far easier ("A film about a woman won't sell! Just look at Catwoman and Electra while ignoring that they both sucked!") has a lot to do with it, too.

Throw in sexism, prejudice, etc (in the 70's through to today)...I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same.

You also have to factor that some of these Female Heroes (and male heroes) were by design meant to be second stringers, only tagging along with the main hero or part of a team, they were never meant to hold their own.

Which is why I find the idea of say an Invisible Woman movie just would not work.

 

[Zhukov]

And that's why I hate that fact that apperently she's the only famous one because she's known outside of Comic Books, and the casual mainstream audiance don't even bother looking at Female Heroes and Villains that are not female versions of established characters, I mean just look at the list of Female Charcaters in Comic Books that are relevent to their universe:

Oh indeed.

Why oh why can the filthy, mainstream, fake nerd casuals not appreciate the works of art that are Boom Boom and Petunia Pig?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

And that's why I hate that fact that apperently she's the only famous one because she's known outside of Comic Books, and the casual mainstream audiance don't even bother looking at Female Heroes and Villains that are not female versions of established characters, I mean just look at the list of Female Charcaters in Comic Books that are relevent to their universe:

Oh indeed.

Why oh why can the filthy, mainstream, fake nerd casuals not appreciate the works of art that are Boom Boom and Petunia Pig?

Petunia Pig is a not DC Superhero...

And Boom Boom seems to have an extensive backstory for an X-Men charcater.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

Yeah it seems feminist critique has less to do with wonder woman

And more to do with how she's written and portrayed by male writers

Frank Miller is a hack

New 52 sucks

Etc etc

Well, I really liked Azzarello's New 52 Wonder Woman run. I think the problem most people had with it was that it a) retconned Wonder Woman's origin from a clay Pinocchio to a distaff Hercules, and b) revealed that the Amazons reproduce by sex murder. And, y'know, I get why that'd annoy people.

 

[Natemans]

HOLY SHIT PEOPLE ARE SAYING IT'S GOOD NOW [https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/5/30/15715322/wonder-woman-rotten-tomatoes-score]

I am so happy to have mainstream validation you guys

woops my insecurity is showing

I thought current third wave femenists these days already hate Wonder Woman.

...source?

It's not exactly a consensus opinion, but yes, I have seen ostensibly-feminist arguments against Wonder Woman for various reasons, ranging from "she's too attractive" to "she glorifies and fetishizes a masculine concept of violence" to "miniskirts."

It's mostly just people trying to get attention by attacking a character who's generally considered to be a lodestone for positive portrayals of women in comic books.

Edit: Not to say that comic book writers always get Wonder Woman right, (looking at you, Frank Miller) but overall, Wonder Woman is A Good Thing for feminism and for female representation in the comic book industry.

Yeah it seems feminist critique has less to do with wonder woman

And more to do with how she's written and portrayed by male writers

Frank Miller is a hack

New 52 sucks

Etc etc

Eh I have yet to see anything that truly makes the New 52 that abysmmal.

Red Hood and the Outlaws. They turn Starfire into a dull, lifeless bimbo.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

HOLY SHIT PEOPLE ARE SAYING IT'S GOOD NOW [https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/5/30/15715322/wonder-woman-rotten-tomatoes-score]

I am so happy to have mainstream validation you guys

woops my insecurity is showing

I thought current third wave femenists these days already hate Wonder Woman.

...source?

It's not exactly a consensus opinion, but yes, I have seen ostensibly-feminist arguments against Wonder Woman for various reasons, ranging from "she's too attractive" to "she glorifies and fetishizes a masculine concept of violence" to "miniskirts."

It's mostly just people trying to get attention by attacking a character who's generally considered to be a lodestone for positive portrayals of women in comic books.

Edit: Not to say that comic book writers always get Wonder Woman right, (looking at you, Frank Miller) but overall, Wonder Woman is A Good Thing for feminism and for female representation in the comic book industry.

Yeah it seems feminist critique has less to do with wonder woman

And more to do with how she's written and portrayed by male writers

Frank Miller is a hack

New 52 sucks

Etc etc

Eh I have yet to see anything that truly makes the New 52 that abysmmal.

Red Hood and the Outlaws. They turn Starfire into a dull, lifeless bimbo.

1 thing out of the 100s of comic book lines in Superheroes. And I thought they retconned that within the New 52, I remember seeing issues of Starfire where she looks like a normal girl that's not a bimbo within the New 52.

 

[Natemans]

HOLY SHIT PEOPLE ARE SAYING IT'S GOOD NOW [https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/5/30/15715322/wonder-woman-rotten-tomatoes-score]

I am so happy to have mainstream validation you guys

woops my insecurity is showing

I thought current third wave femenists these days already hate Wonder Woman.

...source?

It's not exactly a consensus opinion, but yes, I have seen ostensibly-feminist arguments against Wonder Woman for various reasons, ranging from "she's too attractive" to "she glorifies and fetishizes a masculine concept of violence" to "miniskirts."

It's mostly just people trying to get attention by attacking a character who's generally considered to be a lodestone for positive portrayals of women in comic books.

Edit: Not to say that comic book writers always get Wonder Woman right, (looking at you, Frank Miller) but overall, Wonder Woman is A Good Thing for feminism and for female representation in the comic book industry.

Yeah it seems feminist critique has less to do with wonder woman

And more to do with how she's written and portrayed by male writers

Frank Miller is a hack

New 52 sucks

Etc etc

Eh I have yet to see anything that truly makes the New 52 that abysmmal.

Red Hood and the Outlaws. They turn Starfire into a dull, lifeless bimbo.

1 thing out of the 100s of comic book lines in Superheroes. And I thought they retconned that within the New 52, I remember seeing issues of Starfire where she looks like a normal girl that's not a bimbo within the New 52.

Later on, they tried to make Starfire a normal innocent character again after how awful Red Hood and the Outlaws came to be.

As for other examples, Deathstroke, I found Suicide Squad to be pretty abysmal, I liked Teen Titans, but then it went downhill around the Culling, Legion of Superheroes was boring and the same with Legion Lost, Catwoman and honestly didn't care for Red Lanterns.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

Eh I have yet to see anything that truly makes the New 52 that abysmmal.

Red Hood and the Outlaws. They turn Starfire into a dull, lifeless bimbo.

1 thing out of the 100s of comic book lines in Superheroes. And I thought they retconned that within the New 52, I remember seeing issues of Starfire where she looks like a normal girl that's not a bimbo within the New 52.

There were a lot of New 52 titles that sucked ass. That's just what happens when you have 52 titles launching all at the same time; some of them are gonna suck. This was actually DC's plan; they axed the six worst titles every few months and launched six more from the backup list.

Some of the ones that started out good turned to poop a few years later when the writer/artist team moved on. Like Wonder Woman, for example. Thirty-something issues of plot-dense mythological superhero fantasy with a quirky art twist, then Azzarello and Cliff Chiang left and the replacement writer/artist team decided that what Wonder Woman really needed was more continuity baggage and ugly feminist stereotypes.

Spoiler: To explain.

Azzarello and Chiang had a plotline going with all the discarded male children of the Amazons (see aforementioned sex murders) being rehabilitated on Themyscira by Diana, who considered them essentially her brothers. The new writer decided that this was stupid, and therefore had a previously-unseen ugly old crone-Amazon pop up from behind the curtain to ***** about how Diana wasn't around to protect Themyscira from random monsters because she was too busy being a member of the Justice League and also a god, and then had said bitchy crone lady use witchcraft to create an evil clone of Diana out of a cauldron (yep) and then sent that evil clone off to go kill all the Amazon's male cousins, so that Diana and her evil clone could fight and so that the writer could go "and the evil clone's name is Donna Troy!" while winking so hard that they gave themselves a stroke.

So, kill off the interesting plotlines left by the previous team because nyeh, then replace them with a shitty plotline about an evil clone made by black magic because an old hag was pissed off that there were penises on her island. Very feminist.

 

[Dragonlayer]

I have one very important question that will determine whether or not I will give this film a chance.

Are the German soldiers portrayed as a competent and legitimate threat, or as cackling yet utterly ineffectual proto-Nazis who are going to use radioactive moon-rock super-weapons to blow up the world and exist only to be effortlessly beaten up by Wonder Woman?

 

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

And that's why I hate that fact that apperently she's the only famous one because she's known outside of Comic Books, and the casual mainstream audiance don't even bother looking at Female Heroes and Villains that are not female versions of established characters, I mean just look at the list of Female Charcaters in Comic Books that are relevent to their universe:

Oh indeed.

Why oh why can the filthy, mainstream, fake nerd casuals not appreciate the works of art that are Boom Boom and Petunia Pig?

Hey, I like Boom Boom. Back in the 90s she had a decent arc where she took care of and tried to rehabilitate Sabertooth after Wolverine poked a hole in his brain and reduced him to a feral/mentally incapacitated state like a giant dog despite everyone telling her she was wrong to do it.

Spoiler

Of course it led to the reveal that he was just pretending and he gutted Psylocke in front of her but villains don't tend to stay "good". Sabertooth escially.

It might have been a really terrible arc though, I was young and didn't know better.

 

[Laughing Man]

I have one very important question that will determine whether or not I will give this film a chance.

Are the German soldiers portrayed as a competent and legitimate threat, or as cackling yet utterly ineffectual proto-Nazis who are going to use radioactive moon-rock super-weapons to blow up the world and exist only to be effortlessly beaten up by Wonder Woman?

Well since you're in the wrong era I can say for sure they ain't Nazi or Proto-Nazis. If what you are asking is are the Germans in this movie portrayed in the same way as Hydra's soldiers are In Captain America, i.e all sleak, highly weaponized, black shining armour fighting for the 'cause', then no, they are portrayed as what they were an army made of hungry, battle tired people fighting for a cause they neither really know about or understand.

As for the movie itself, slow paced, not anywhere enough action, when their was action it was pretty decent with the close quarters stuff in Veld (mid way through the movie) being amazing. Not grim dark like the previous DC movies it had one or two dialogues that were a bit cringy but nothing anywhere near as stupid as MARTHA and after the utter cluster fuck of a plot form B vs S it was nice to have a simple straight forward bad guy vs good guy plot.

Only really down side being it's another DC movie that ends with an utter cluster fuck of lighting, explosion, debris and carnage all taking place at night and that the action was a bit too little and a bit too spaced out and over way way to quick.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

I will also say that now is the time for someone to start pushing for a Wonder Woman game:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/it-s-way-past-time-for-wonder-woman-to-headline-her-own-1795695175

Seriously, just make an E10-rated Bayonetta/DMC, make it a holiday release, put in a Gal Gadot skin as a pre-order bonus, and BAM!, instant money.

 

[Dazzle Novak]

How is that third act remotely defensible?

It wasn't merely bad and generic like a lot of CBM final battles are; it achieved a nadir not even achieved by BvS or Suicide Squad. Wonder Woman pulls the type of "I believe in myself" power up you'd find in Gurren Lagann, only played as super serious drama. It's the aesthetic and climax of Scott Pilgrim played entirely straight.