Shut up, it's empowering to women. Kindly take your legitimate issues with the film back to your basement you dirty misogynist.Dazzle Novak said:
So, apparently WW is pretty good.
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Dragonlayer said:
The main German villain, General Ludendorff, does seem to come across as someone who desperately wants to be the Red Skull - even going so far as to kill one of his captains who makes a perfectly legitimate observation - an act I'm fairly confident in the German Army of the Kaiser's time would have been a one way trip to the gallows by way of a swift court martial. However he and Dr. Poison are outliers (seriously; one weak scene is the pair of them doing this evil laugh thing that's straight out of the Boris and Natasha Badinov playbook) and while it is cathartic to see them fight to liberate a village in France I personally never got the impression that the poor bastards in the other trench were mustache twirlers.
Again, that's only my impression based on my first showing. I'm going again and perhaps with a more critical eye I'll pick up more but I like the idea that the movie closes on.
Really?Dazzle Novak said:
My take away from that was Ares trying to turn her against mankind by showing her just how low we could go, chemical warfare on the Western Front is as good an example as any, but instead she tells him that mankind is all those things, but is also capable of being noble and great and that it's worth defending because of those virtues.
However it does feel like an arc that should have played out over the last two acts of the film with a bit more meat to it rather than it's very compressed presentation in the movie proper.
Just watched it.
Not a great movie (too many problems which sadly could have been easily addressed), but a good movie. I enjoyed it.
The DCEU Wonder Woman is a better Superman than DCEU Superman.
Not a great movie (too many problems which sadly could have been easily addressed), but a good movie. I enjoyed it.
The DCEU Wonder Woman is a better Superman than DCEU Superman.
No need to explain to me the broad strokes character arc present in 99% of blockbusters like I'm five. I get the why of it.Gordon_4 said:
What catapulted it into "unusually terrible" territory was how the special effects broke down from the usual "hero fights CGI monster/particle effects" mess of a finale to Wonder Woman posing in front of conspicuous green screen and doing a Flash-esque stop-motion rampage that reminded me of Speed Racer on a dime. It looked really bad to the point of becoming comical like they ran out of their budget at that exact moment onward, only, this was played up as the "big, cathartic dramatic moment".
Also, I was sick of the "seemingly harmless ally is actually villain" twist by the time Zootopia rolled it out. The movie operates on children's movie level tropes, and that's whatever, but I'm sick of adults pretending this type of simplistic moralizing isn't condescending toward anyone over the age of nine. Humanity contains both good and bad? Wow, no more meaningful nuance available beyond that required.
Also, I was sick of the "seemingly harmless ally is actually villain" twist by the time Zootopia rolled it out. The movie operates on children's movie level tropes, and that's whatever, but I'm sick of adults pretending this type of simplistic moralizing isn't condescending toward anyone over the age of nine. Humanity contains both good and bad? Wow, no more meaningful nuance available beyond that required.
I'm not sure if you're American or not, but the above snippet from your post actually gives me hope for the movie. I know that sounds snarky, but here's the thing: most Americans (of which I am one) like their movies obnoxiously loud with lots of action, bright colors, louder music and as little character development as possible. All in a very short running time.Laughing Man said:
That's why 3D is so popular in the US. Literally pop-up pictures.
So, every time I hear someone say "It's too slow. Not enough action," I know that 90% of the time it will be an outstanding movie.
Nope not American, Scottish in fact so happy to see a fellow Scot in this movie but I have no issue with slow paced movies but end of the day WW is a Comic book Superhero movie so the expectation is that it is going to have a lot of action going on which this movie didn't have enough of, I would even go as far as to say the action was pretty hit and miss in terms of quality.ckriley said:
Their are two set piece fights in the movie that involved more believable one on one combat with a lot of very well done close quarters combat and they are both superb, especially the one at the half way point that has her on the front line before working her way through a town called Veld but the irony of this scene is that what starts well ends very poorly at the mid way point of the Veld fight the close quarters stuff gets dropped and the CGI assisted combat starts, she Hulks an armoured vehicle only the SFX are no where near any of the Hulk movies let alone some of the stuff he does in The Avengers movies and the fight ends with her literally ***** whipping a bunch of German soldiers and frankly it all looks very poor and quite cheap. The additional problem is that from this point on wards the fights are all SFX assisted to the same extent and while some of the stuff works quite a lot of it really doesn't.
Also on reflection the entire third act makes no real sense. In fact it is all a bit stupid.
She looses all faith in humanity, this is in turn reinforced by Ares who firstly tells her that she is the god killing weapon made to stop him and then tells her that in fact he isn't actually the one that makes men fight each other he instead just gives them ideas and allows them to do what they will with them and then secondly makes her what is quite a reasonable counter offer, lets remember that until a week before this she was part of a community who was aware of man but had decided to isolate itself from them, so big fucking whoop what happens to them. She then decides in a flash of an instant and with no apparent outside prompting that yeah she is going to defend man, kill Ares and once all is said and done and she wins using the power of... well from what I can tell the power just appears from deciding not to kill some bad person by dropping a tank on them (PS she was in a German base why the fuck where they using British tanks??) and yup once Ares is dead everyone just decides to stop fighting all of a sudden and start loving each other again.
People simply accept one of the villains taking bumps of magic-cocaine with no explanation? Why isn't Dr. Poison mass-producing that shit if it gives regular joes super-strength lesser-than-but-still-on-par-with base Wonder Woman?
There's simply so many instances of, "Fuck you, that's why!" and the final battle is meaningless because not only is it never established what the combatants can or can't do and can or can't be hurt by, but characters gain new abilities seemingly at random. It's the "Nuh-uh! I was wearing my secret, bullet-proof invisible armor!" kid on the playground with a 100 million dollar budget.
There's simply so many instances of, "Fuck you, that's why!" and the final battle is meaningless because not only is it never established what the combatants can or can't do and can or can't be hurt by, but characters gain new abilities seemingly at random. It's the "Nuh-uh! I was wearing my secret, bullet-proof invisible armor!" kid on the playground with a 100 million dollar budget.
Just saw it and I really dont see why people would praise it to the high heavens, unless the previous DC movies have lowered peoples expectations and finally seeing a DC movie that doesnt horribly suck is now the new definition of "good".
This movie really wasnt that good though. It wasnt horrible, it wasnt good. It was a solid "meh", a 2.5/5, a 5/10, a disheartened sigh of relief that perhaps you didnt completly waste your money on the movie tickets but that you didnt get a whooping bang for your buck either.
In essence, Gal Gadot did her job well. So did Chris Pine. That sort of saves it really. But the script , especiellyfor the later half of the movie, was...underwhelming, to put it lightly. There are enough plot holes here for three superhero movies, and some of the secondary characters are so badly done it gives off that "standard assembly line superhero movie"-feeling, where there's no interest whatsoever in actually providing quality.
So yeah, the positive reviews are puzzling. I like the entry of a strong female hero character and that she's getting her own movie, but they could've done a hellova lot better then this, surely. In the end, judging by the quality of the movie itself rather then the symbolic value of it, its nothing other then a rather dissapointing "average" experience.
This movie really wasnt that good though. It wasnt horrible, it wasnt good. It was a solid "meh", a 2.5/5, a 5/10, a disheartened sigh of relief that perhaps you didnt completly waste your money on the movie tickets but that you didnt get a whooping bang for your buck either.
In essence, Gal Gadot did her job well. So did Chris Pine. That sort of saves it really. But the script , especiellyfor the later half of the movie, was...underwhelming, to put it lightly. There are enough plot holes here for three superhero movies, and some of the secondary characters are so badly done it gives off that "standard assembly line superhero movie"-feeling, where there's no interest whatsoever in actually providing quality.
So yeah, the positive reviews are puzzling. I like the entry of a strong female hero character and that she's getting her own movie, but they could've done a hellova lot better then this, surely. In the end, judging by the quality of the movie itself rather then the symbolic value of it, its nothing other then a rather dissapointing "average" experience.
I saw it this afternoon. I enjoyed it. It's not great by any stretch. The last act didn't really work for me, the final fight was eh, and I felt that slow motion was overused in some scenes. But on the whole I walked out feeling positive about it and still feel that way. I give it a solid B.
Samtemdo8 said:
One of the greatest travesties of the New 52. That and the raping Amazons, the entire Finch run, awful character re-imaginings (Like Mr. Freeze), the time compression, and a seemingly intentionally confusing continuity (Particularly Batman's and Green Lantern's). The New 52 was pretty bad.
Swamp Thing and Animal man somehow managed to hook me, despite my distate for zombies, gore, and horror. First Swamp Thing anything I've ever read and I loved it!hermes said:
I also recall Aquaman and Batman and Robin being pretty good.
On the topic of good New 52 series, the first volume of The Flash was pretty great. Awesome art, creative paneling, and the updated Rogues worked out pretty well.
Just saw it last night. Its only okay. Not great, but not unwatchable, which makes it the best of the DC movies. Always remember Wonder Woman is a huge success because the next best movie is Suicide Squad.
So while there are certainly less plotholes, editing problems, dead characters and rushed plot elements, its not as bad as the rest.
A solid C.
So while there are certainly less plotholes, editing problems, dead characters and rushed plot elements, its not as bad as the rest.
A solid C.
I saw it tonight, and quite enjoyed it. Solid tone, good performances, and it builds up enough "credit" to take the audience through moments that might otherwise seem mawkish or corny. There are a few bits that suffer from CG character physics, but mostly the spectacle works pretty well, and it even managed to surprise me a little a couple of times.
I'd recommend giving it a look.
I'd recommend giving it a look.
And who is that supposed to be?Captain Marvelous said:Samtemdo8 said:
One of the greatest travesties of the New 52. That and the raping Amazons, the entire Finch run, awful character re-imaginings (Like Mr. Freeze), the time compression, and a seemingly intentionally confusing continuity (Particularly Batman's and Green Lantern's). The New 52 was pretty bad.
Swamp Thing and Animal man somehow managed to hook me, despite my distate for zombies, gore, and horror. First Swamp Thing anything I've ever read and I loved it!hermes said:
I also recall Aquaman and Batman and Robin being pretty good.
I would feel offended at this but than again I never liked Amanda Waller because she is a vain *****, so I don't care they made her all sexy and stuff.Zhukov said:
See? She isn't even recognizable! That'd be Amanda Waller.Samtemdo8 said:And who is that supposed to be?Captain Marvelous said:Samtemdo8 said:
One of the greatest travesties of the New 52. That and the raping Amazons, the entire Finch run, awful character re-imaginings (Like Mr. Freeze), the time compression, and a seemingly intentionally confusing continuity (Particularly Batman's and Green Lantern's). The New 52 was pretty bad.
Swamp Thing and Animal man somehow managed to hook me, despite my distate for zombies, gore, and horror. First Swamp Thing anything I've ever read and I loved it!hermes said:
I also recall Aquaman and Batman and Robin being pretty good.
For whatever reason, DC decided Waller needed to be thin and hot. I get that they wanted to give her a more combat oriented role, but in doing so they erased part of what made her unique. Basically every other female hero and villain falls under the supermodel umbrella. It's very rare to see characters that break that mold and Waller was (and is since Rebirth) one of the few.