So Bin Laden is Dead, what now?

[Joshimodo]

Fuck all will change.


There you go.

 

[Arif_Sohaib]

Just saw the news, Bin Laden is dead, check any news channel, its true. So, what now, will the US pull out? or what?

I doubt they will... might seem a bit cynical of me, but I think that the US knows of some up coming attack (like 9/11 perhaps) and this is them trying to cover themselves by saying it's a sudden retaliation to his death... whatever it is I guess we'll find out soon.

Edit: My main reasons for this is that we have no real proof that it is him, they say that they knew he was in that compound for a week before they went in (if you've been on the run from america for 10 years you don't just stop and stay in one place), and they buried his body at sea themselves... no offence to americans but when has their government really cared about people religious wishes... there's plenty of innocent people that they don't let have their own religious burial for one reason or another, and they've just decided to bury his body before anyone can confirm it is his... seems a bit odd to me.

Please before anyone decides to hate me for this I accept this is just my view and in all reality I might be wrong, I'm just giving my own views.

He can't be burred at sea, Abbotabad(where he was killed) is 2 or 1.5 hours from sea by commercial flight, I live in Karachi and have been to Islamabad, Lahore and even Abbotabad(when I was 4) so I know. It is just uneconomical to put him in a helicopter/plane and fly all the way to Karachi or Gawadar just to bury him and to do it before photograhic evidence is just stupid.
It may be a plan to blame and attack Pakistan or to get Obama reelected or to pull out of Afghanistan without looking like complete idiots who couldn't kill one guy in a cave.

 

[AnkaraTheFallen]

He can't be burred at sea, Abbotabad(where he was killed) is 2 or 1.5 hours from sea by commercial flight, I live in Karachi and have been to Islamabad, Lahore and even Abbotabad(when I was 4) so I know. It is just uneconomical to put him in a helicopter/plane and fly all the way to Karachi or Gawadar just to bury him and to do it before photograhic evidence is just stupid.
It may be a plan to blame and attack Pakistan or to get Obama reelected or to pull out of Afghanistan without looking like complete idiots who couldn't kill one guy in a cave.

It was the american team that killed him that buried him at sea, they took him by helicopter... personally I feel it's a bit odd that they buried him before any evidence that it was actually him... but they claim it was to respect his religious beliefs and bury the body before 24 hours after death.

 

[Arif_Sohaib]

How could they bury him at sea? Infact, why would they do that in the first place considering Abbotabad is very far away from the sea and there was no benefit of burying him at sea?

The benefit of burying him at sea is so that his grave does not attract pilgrimages or holy activities. It also stops him from being dug up and paraded around. Throwing away a leader's corpse like it was a piece of a garbage has a subtle, but powerful affect on people. Makes it seem like the enemy doesn't even care that greatly about your presence, and that killing the head of your organisation was a small step forward and not anything to get worked over and in time, Bin Laden will be forgotten and he wont become quite the martyr he could be.

Ho Chi Minh's body is kept preserved in Vietnam (and sometimes Russia) purely so that people can come and see it, and millions do. I think this is the sort of thing that the USA wants to avoid.

A helicopter or a plane would have gotten his body out to sea in no time.

Pictures will surface, I just think that the USA will wait a while until this has largely blown over before releasing them. To stop people putting pictures of his ruined body all over the place and pissing the wrong people off, most likely. You've got to be real careful about this kind of thing, subtle mind games are afoot.

It's kind of strange to see how America has largely reacted to this. The images of people celebrating around the White House look straight out of an image from the middle east. It creeps me out, like the world has gone full circle. He who fights with monsters, and all that.

I am sorry for the late reply. But as I already mentioned in another post, it is uneconomical to fly all the way to Karachi or Gawadar, you don't flay trash for 1.5 to 2 hours to throw it away.You can have the same effect by burying him in an unmarked graveyard in an unmarked grave.Or bury him the same way they buried Saddam Hussain(I don't know how they buried him).And if Saddam Hussain's pictures could surface the same day, why not his?
I know you will call me a conspiracy theorist, but I smell something fishy.

 

[jpoon]

Continue all the pointless wars so the war profiteers can keep doing what they do best...PROFIT!

http://www.infowars.com/media-runs-fake-photo-to-illustrate-bin-laden-death-propaganda/

 

[King Toasty]

I'm not shedding any tears at his death, but it's still the death of a human being. I will never say it's justice to kill someone for killing another.

Captcha: resaff operated. Dammit Resaff, he betrayed us!

I really wish I could take that stance with you. I really really do. There's thousands of pieces of work about revenge killing but...I would've shot him myself. I would want him to BEG AT MY FEET strip him of all of his dignity, All his humanity. I did not pray for his death but i did hope for it.

I would've sacrificed my humanity for his head.

Thus is the price of patriotism. I'm guessing you live in the States, and let me tell you, most other countries DON'T share that feeling. It's revenge, pure and simple. I wish he'd been imprisoned for life instead.

No what? I mean he killed one of my family, I want to rob something precious from him as well.

An eye for an eye won't get anyone anywhere. I understand that you want "justice", but this isn't it.

I certainly feel better.
wake up tomorrow and call someone you love. Then when you don't get a respond all day call tomorrow. No response. Have this go on for 4 days then have and officer show up at your door and tell you that that person is dead. Funny at first you they left a message on the machine that you havn't deleted a week ago. There voice is right there how is this person dead.

If you did not go into irrational revenge over this person than you are a very very strong person. But not wanting revenge because all the good books tell you so? That's just being a *****.
Fuck reason
Fuck logic
Eye for an eye is how I do things it's completly fair. You and I are friends as long as you don't jack with me. Why is that so hard for people to understand. It coincides with the golden rule.

This guy sacrificed his humanity to kill so many people
I owe the same to get what is to me the same result

You might want to do things that way, but the law shouldn't. It can't run on the whims or desires of people- everybody, no matter their crimes, deserves fair trial.

 

[Lucifron]

Can it be repeal-patriot-act-tiemz naow?

 

[TerribleAssassin]

Since he didn't seem to have much influence beforehand, his death probably won't cause much to change either.

I can't help but bring in what Rich Hall says in one of his sketches "Bin Laden's like a brand of Terrorism."

But if it is him, which there is a bit doubt, it'll probably:

a) Start something of anger.

or

b) Do absolutely nothing.

 

[Venereus]

Osama is dead. A minute of silence for everyone who still thinks it matters anymore.

 

[Lance Arrow]

The U.S. probably won't be pulling out until the oil is gone.

Business as usual.

 

[Caldarin]

You might want to do things that way, but the law shouldn't. It can't run on the whims or desires of people- everybody, no matter their crimes, deserves fair trial.

Sure, and he would have been condemned, but this wasn't some CIA assassin; he was killed in a firefight. I'd rather see him dead than have our soldiers sacrificing their lives to capture him alive.

And anybody who pulls that "nobody "deserves death" card hasn't had family in the military- Jake's right, but to put it more concisely; some people just need killing. End of story

 

[DRSH1989]

we go to Disneyland!

 

[ranyilliams]

Source please.

Maybe.

It's all over every major news source.

This is a good sign, except one major thing.

It was done over Pakistan, which is what pretty much everyone knew he was there. Pakistan is a boiling pot right now, and taking this action over Pakistani lands without consent could be disastrous. Pakistan has been in turmoil for years, has nukes, almost prepared to start a war with India, and may not take lightly to this action taken.

It will be interesting to see what happens next between Pakistani relations and America.

Props to the CIA predators, and the military for finally getting Osama's head on a platter.

Cutting off the head of the dragon only works if there was only one head to cut off.

 

[King Toasty]

You might want to do things that way, but the law shouldn't. It can't run on the whims or desires of people- everybody, no matter their crimes, deserves fair trial.

Sure, and he would have been condemned, but this wasn't some CIA assassin; he was killed in a firefight. I'd rather see him dead than have our soldiers sacrificing their lives to capture him alive.

And anybody who pulls that "nobody "deserves death" card hasn't had family in the military- Jake's right, but to put it more concisely; some people just need killing. End of story

Not having any family in the military gives me an objective standpoint. And from what I see, America is killing out of nothing other than revenge. It was this sort of thinking that started the whole damn thing, and last night (well, technically two days ago), you had a chance to break the cycle. To arrest him. Give him fair trial. Probably sentence him to death anyways, but at least show that you have a sense of mercy for those who don't.

 

[Akiraacecombat]

So there you have,cpt price from MW series killing bin laden in the next call of duty,or Medal of honor 2 doing the same but with a beared man.

 

[ChaoticKraus]

Practically, not much will change. The war will go on since Bin Laden isn't the leader in practice. He hides all the time so he's more like their spiritual leader/mascot.

But him being dead is a major psychological victory and i would be pleased to hear such an atrocious man die in any case. And i'm not even american.

 

[JenSeven]

First of:
Congratulations to the U.S. Government and the Weapons Industry in general for finally having cleaned up the mess they made with financing and supplying Bin Laden.
Maybe they will now have learned from their mistakes and stop financing and supplying people like that, and Khadaffi and Saddam Hussein.

...as if...

Secondly:
Congratulations to the army guy that actually killed Bin Laden, for trading in some much needed justice for all the victims for some personal glory by now becoming "the guy that killed Bin Laden" instead of becoming the "guy that captured Bin Laden".
So thanks to him America can now parade around Bin Laden's corpse until it starts to smell, instead of taking him to trail and putting him in prison where he can be gangraped every single day for 40 years to come.

So in short, Great Job every one, and it won't actually change much...

 

[Dastardly]

Edit: My main reasons for this is that we have no real proof that it is him, they say that they knew he was in that compound for a week before they went in (if you've been on the run from america for 10 years you don't just stop and stay in one place), and they buried his body at sea themselves... no offence to americans but when has their government really cared about people religious wishes... there's plenty of innocent people that they don't let have their own religious burial for one reason or another, and they've just decided to bury his body before anyone can confirm it is his... seems a bit odd to me.

Please before anyone decides to hate me for this I accept this is just my view and in all reality I might be wrong, I'm just giving my own views.

To provide a bit of clarity that might better inform your views on this:

1. When your health is as bad as bin Laden's was, you certainly do stay in one place for as long as possible. Travel is just not good. Additionally, you are far more vulnerable to detection when you're on the move. "Running" is a bad idea. "Hiding," however...

2. They knew he could be there, which is why they waited for a week and gathered more information to make the decision. They wanted to avoid tipping their hand.

3. Burial at sea, as noted in other posts, prevents shrines or grave robbers (on either side). It would have been a simple matter to get the body out of there on military transports, rather than civilian, so logistically it's a sensible solution, too.

4. The most important: Yes, in the past, America has been (mostly unintentionally) insensitive to certain Muslim beliefs and customs. That's part of what contributed to the hatred that led to the attack. Why shouldn't you expect that over the past decade, we've tried to learn a bit more?

We've recognized that we're dealing with two separate groups: Muslims and terrorists. There is overlap, sure, in the form of extremists, but they are still two separate groups. If we had refused bin Laden--a Muslim man--proper funerary customs, the non-Muslim world would see it as little problem. The Muslim world, however, views him as a Muslim first, and then as whatever monster we believe him to be. If we had refused to bury him in a timely fashion, we would surely piss off the Muslim world (and among them, many of those extremists, who could potentially ally with the terrorists).

This was a tactical and political decision. We follow the customs to avoid raising the ire of the Muslim world. We avoid making a martyr of him to both his organization (who surely already hold him as such), but also anti-Western Muslims everywhere (who could use our disregard for the customs as an excuse to turn extremist).

Our military from top to bottom has been doing a lot of work over the past decade to learn more and be more sensitive about Muslim customs and Mid-East culture. You don't see all of that publicized, of course, but it is constantly going on. This is a good result--the body is dealt with in a way that caters to Muslim custom, but also prevents shrines and trophies from popping up at the burial site.

 

[Brad Shepard]

So there you have,cpt price from MW series killing bin laden in the next call of duty,or Medal of honor 2 doing the same but with a beared man.

Calling him by name at first, then 3 days before launch, changing it?

 

[Pyroguekenesis]

Well, I think it's bullshite the fact he is dead but whether he is actually dead or not I do not care. I am not supporting either side but the US gov. already has enough 'incredibility' in my books. And since now that thats over - America and all nations can now and should pull out of Afghanistan and whatever - unless they are still there over the goddamn oil.

As for what now?
Await the end of the world as we know it next year.

The war has not been won.