Damn, I could not have said it better myself. People are missing the point of all this; a mass murderer has been killed, and the world is a better place without him. And really, can he claim to be a martyr at this point? he was found hiding out and was shot to death. Would I have liked it if he had been brought to trial? Yeah, probably, but the end result would've been the same. So, great work America!kotorfan04 said:I am not going to claim Terrorism is over or that we have entered some new really awesome golden age, but at the same time, he is dead. The man who has been America's #1 Public enemy is dead and I think that deserves to be celebrated. Yes, I agree, normally murder is bad but when you organize the death of thousands then FUCK YOU! You die, if you turn yourself in then you get a trial before you die, but end result is: YOU = DEAD, and that is a good thing overall. As for the celebration, well we have been hunting this guy since I was 10 so... Yeah, mission accomplished, pop the bubbly and what not. THis is good things.
Nah I'm a Brit and I see Americans as our bro's which I think is a pretty common view in the North at least. You have more extremes of everything because you are a bigger country I don't think real people (ie not the media) hold that against you. The only thing that puzzles me about America is the health care system but thats a whole different issue.RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:Ever find it funny that for all they quote the constitution & the founding fathers they ignore 99% of what they said and stood for? BTW is it true you folks in Europe only see the worst of the USA? Like all you get are rednecks and Westboro not-baptists church?
Yeah, did anyone else think it was odd that the news really broke with only ten minutes left of Celebrity Apprentice (Donald Trump's show)? My mom thinks so, but personally i think it may have been coincidence.Sonic Doctor said:I would lose the last hope I have for the US if we reelect him for that. It isn't like he was the one that followed the intelligence and pushed the button that told the drone fire the missile that killed Osama.Kashif Omer said:We can't pull out, there is a war to finish. But now Obama has a reelection guarantee, Al Qieda has lost its symbol, and New York is alot happier.Brad Shepard said:Just saw the news, Bin Laden is dead, check any news channel, its true. So, what now, will the US pull out? or what?
Half my hope left the first time Obama was elected.
Though, my mom believes that this actually might come back to bite him, because he has been pushing for less funding for the military, then the military did a great job with this using the funding he wanted to cut.
As much as I'm leaning for Donald Trump to be president, he's most likely going to end up taking votes away from the Republicans if they don't name him as their pick for running.
Donald Trump would be an awesome president. I would cherish hearing about how he gathered all of Obama's moronic and unnecessary "Czars" and said, "You're fired!"
Brad Shepard said:Just saw the news, Bin Laden is dead, check any news channel, its true. So, what now, will the US pull out? or what?
To a certain degree, families of military personnel are a bit more prepared to hear that they've lost a loved one to an attack. It's no less awful, but there's a certain amount of increased risk based on the line of work.DRSH1989 said:I dunno about closure... we've had a few soldiers who died in Afghanistan as well over the years, but I doubt their families are really that overjoyed hearing such news...
I wish video game awards could be handed out in real life, because that man would have prestiged like 8 times in a row.Necrotech said:I wonder if he shouted "Headshot FTW!" a moment later.artanis_neravar said:I would personally like to shake the hand of the soldier that took that kill shot.
Well, actually I do, but the reason they ignore those laws sometimes is because they were made "by the people" which can be seen as not perfect (because nothing human invented or made is perfect) & so it can be interpreted in so many ways & forms by different people today... this is why we have lawyers after all... to "interpret" the law... but I won't go farther into this, because it's mostly off topic & basically my opinion on the matter.RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:It's pretty messed up.DRSH1989 said:LOL, I didn't expect such a remark... when I said "I find the US to be a pretty great country", I'm referring to the average joe... you know the little people who just want to live their lives and be happy... not ur leaders who suck as much as every other country's leaders & get people killed for their own agendas & fetishes...
Still, your comment made me smile & think... "yep, there's hope".
Ever find it funny that for all they quote the constitution & the founding fathers they ignore 99% of what they said and stood for?
I wouldn't say that. It depends on the people we're talking about. From my perspective, I know people who've been to the US & enjoyed greatly being there, I also know people who now have US citizenship & have established a home there for the rest of their lives, I also know people who dream of moving in states like NY or Cali or Florida, or Oregon, but I also know people who say things like "the US is full of fat retard people who believe everythin' they see on TV" or "all Americans know is how to steal oil from other countries". I'm not saying I'm proud of these statements, but people who say these things firmly believe in them. I for one can say that the US has as many flaws as any other country does, the only notable difference is that your country has a military force with a budget of billions of dollars per year. I even have link for this:RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:BTW is it true you folks in Europe only see the worst of the USA? Like all you get are rednecks and Westboro not-baptists church?
Here in Britain we have had attacks on civilians, admittedly not on as big a scale as America had but still..., and we don't have people celebrating in the streets. I'm not saying some people will be overjoyed that he is dead, I just feel for a lot of the families of victims it isn't really closure, it would just reopen the old wounds. And in his own admission osama didn't have anything to do with 9/11... I can't remember where I read that but it's somewhere, but if he did actually do it he would say that he did, like he has with several other attacks.Dastardly said:To a certain degree, families of military personnel are a bit more prepared to hear that they've lost a loved one to an attack. It's no less awful, but there's a certain amount of increased risk based on the line of work.
I'm talking more about the families of the thousands of civilian victims, for whom there is no expectation of any sort of fighting or risk in day-to-day work. Think about what suddenly having your workplace destroyed around you by terrorist attack would do to your perception of the world? And maybe, just maybe, seeing the bastard brought down might help ease a bit of that violent shattering of your world view.
And still, I'll direct you to the far more needless and undue celebration surrounding sports victories. People who aren't even on the team are lighting things on fire or breaking stuff because "they" won. This isn't even as boisterous as that.
He can't be burred at sea, Abbotabad(where he was killed) is 2 or 1.5 hours from sea by commercial flight, I live in Karachi and have been to Islamabad, Lahore and even Abbotabad(when I was 4) so I know. It is just uneconomical to put him in a helicopter/plane and fly all the way to Karachi or Gawadar just to bury him and to do it before photograhic evidence is just stupid.AnkaraTheFallen said:I doubt they will... might seem a bit cynical of me, but I think that the US knows of some up coming attack (like 9/11 perhaps) and this is them trying to cover themselves by saying it's a sudden retaliation to his death... whatever it is I guess we'll find out soon.Brad Shepard said:Just saw the news, Bin Laden is dead, check any news channel, its true. So, what now, will the US pull out? or what?
Edit: My main reasons for this is that we have no real proof that it is him, they say that they knew he was in that compound for a week before they went in (if you've been on the run from america for 10 years you don't just stop and stay in one place), and they buried his body at sea themselves... no offence to americans but when has their government really cared about people religious wishes... there's plenty of innocent people that they don't let have their own religious burial for one reason or another, and they've just decided to bury his body before anyone can confirm it is his... seems a bit odd to me.
Please before anyone decides to hate me for this I accept this is just my view and in all reality I might be wrong, I'm just giving my own views.
It was the american team that killed him that buried him at sea, they took him by helicopter... personally I feel it's a bit odd that they buried him before any evidence that it was actually him... but they claim it was to respect his religious beliefs and bury the body before 24 hours after death.Arif_Sohaib said:He can't be burred at sea, Abbotabad(where he was killed) is 2 or 1.5 hours from sea by commercial flight, I live in Karachi and have been to Islamabad, Lahore and even Abbotabad(when I was 4) so I know. It is just uneconomical to put him in a helicopter/plane and fly all the way to Karachi or Gawadar just to bury him and to do it before photograhic evidence is just stupid.
It may be a plan to blame and attack Pakistan or to get Obama reelected or to pull out of Afghanistan without looking like complete idiots who couldn't kill one guy in a cave.
I am sorry for the late reply. But as I already mentioned in another post, it is uneconomical to fly all the way to Karachi or Gawadar, you don't flay trash for 1.5 to 2 hours to throw it away.You can have the same effect by burying him in an unmarked graveyard in an unmarked grave.Or bury him the same way they buried Saddam Hussain(I don't know how they buried him).And if Saddam Hussain's pictures could surface the same day, why not his?Fire Daemon said:The benefit of burying him at sea is so that his grave does not attract pilgrimages or holy activities. It also stops him from being dug up and paraded around. Throwing away a leader's corpse like it was a piece of a garbage has a subtle, but powerful affect on people. Makes it seem like the enemy doesn't even care that greatly about your presence, and that killing the head of your organisation was a small step forward and not anything to get worked over and in time, Bin Laden will be forgotten and he wont become quite the martyr he could be.Arif_Sohaib said:How could they bury him at sea? Infact, why would they do that in the first place considering Abbotabad is very far away from the sea and there was no benefit of burying him at sea?
Ho Chi Minh's body is kept preserved in Vietnam (and sometimes Russia) purely so that people can come and see it, and millions do. I think this is the sort of thing that the USA wants to avoid.
A helicopter or a plane would have gotten his body out to sea in no time.
Pictures will surface, I just think that the USA will wait a while until this has largely blown over before releasing them. To stop people putting pictures of his ruined body all over the place and pissing the wrong people off, most likely. You've got to be real careful about this kind of thing, subtle mind games are afoot.
It's kind of strange to see how America has largely reacted to this. The images of people celebrating around the White House look straight out of an image from the middle east. It creeps me out, like the world has gone full circle. He who fights with monsters, and all that.
You might want to do things that way, but the law shouldn't. It can't run on the whims or desires of people- everybody, no matter their crimes, deserves fair trial.jakefongloo said:I certainly feel better.King Toasty said:An eye for an eye won't get anyone anywhere. I understand that you want "justice", but this isn't it.jakefongloo said:No what? I mean he killed one of my family, I want to rob something precious from him as well.King Toasty said:Thus is the price of patriotism. I'm guessing you live in the States, and let me tell you, most other countries DON'T share that feeling. It's revenge, pure and simple. I wish he'd been imprisoned for life instead.jakefongloo said:I really wish I could take that stance with you. I really really do. There's thousands of pieces of work about revenge killing but...I would've shot him myself. I would want him to BEG AT MY FEET strip him of all of his dignity, All his humanity. I did not pray for his death but i did hope for it.King Toasty said:I'm not shedding any tears at his death, but it's still the death of a human being. I will never say it's justice to kill someone for killing another.
Captcha: resaff operated. Dammit Resaff, he betrayed us!
I would've sacrificed my humanity for his head.
wake up tomorrow and call someone you love. Then when you don't get a respond all day call tomorrow. No response. Have this go on for 4 days then have and officer show up at your door and tell you that that person is dead. Funny at first you they left a message on the machine that you havn't deleted a week ago. There voice is right there how is this person dead.
If you did not go into irrational revenge over this person than you are a very very strong person. But not wanting revenge because all the good books tell you so? That's just being a *****.
Fuck reason
Fuck logic
Eye for an eye is how I do things it's completly fair. You and I are friends as long as you don't jack with me. Why is that so hard for people to understand. It coincides with the golden rule.
This guy sacrificed his humanity to kill so many people
I owe the same to get what is to me the same result
I can't help but bring in what Rich Hall says in one of his sketches "Bin Laden's like a brand of Terrorism."joecool5000 said:Since he didn't seem to have much influence beforehand, his death probably won't cause much to change either.