I heard that everybody does that when they die, it's nothing to be ashamed about. :3emeraldrafael said:
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So Bin Laden is Dead, what now?
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When life give you lemons, say fuck the lemons? Demand to see Life's manager? I'll burn your house down with lemons?Brombaq said:
All kudos to US Special Forces; I thought you guys were all talk and no action, well you've got bragging rights now alright.
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Short Term: Things could get a little dicey with revenge attacks - countries are already reviewing their embassy security and travel advice for their citizens.
Long Term: Certain cells, such as those based in Yemen, have been fairly autonomous for some time now so Osama's death will only have a psychological impact. Osama had made it clear that this was to be a multi-generational campaign of terror with younger members taking more responsibilities in the the higher echelons of Al-Qaeda so their structure has certainly taken a knock but, unfortunately, they're not about to keel over now.
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Short Term: Things could get a little dicey with revenge attacks - countries are already reviewing their embassy security and travel advice for their citizens.
Long Term: Certain cells, such as those based in Yemen, have been fairly autonomous for some time now so Osama's death will only have a psychological impact. Osama had made it clear that this was to be a multi-generational campaign of terror with younger members taking more responsibilities in the the higher echelons of Al-Qaeda so their structure has certainly taken a knock but, unfortunately, they're not about to keel over now.
well, really, nothing major will happen. Osama was the leader sure, but the organization will still run, maybe a little less structured, which could be a problem.
on the other hand the idea of 'cut off the head and the body will die' could come in, and it could end up where Al-Qaeda just fizzles away, save a couple lone splinter cells.
on the other hand the idea of 'cut off the head and the body will die' could come in, and it could end up where Al-Qaeda just fizzles away, save a couple lone splinter cells.
I don't know if you've already been filled in but...ZombieGenesis said:
Brief Summary:
High ranking U.S. military officials have known and been planning since August.
Obama gave the go ahead Friday night.
Saturday night around a dozen Navy Seals assaulted his mansion in an upper class district of an affluent Pakistan city.
Osama Bin Laden and his sons held out, and were killed.
Also, a woman used as a human shield was also killed.
There are no U.S. casualties.
We're fairly sure it's him (i.e. positive), but as of right now it's hard to tell.
There's a hole where his face should be, due to a headshot.
Good 'nuff?
It won't matter, he was a figure head, the Taliban is going to continue to fight for the sovereignty of Afghanistan and Al-Qaeda will continue to lash out at the West. Osama himself has said that this Jihad (is that how it's spelt?) would span several generations.
This is a petty victory.
This is a petty victory.
...he would say, if the death of a single man would have ended this mess. But then he realised that this conflict would go on for decades, without any progress, just more bitterness and violence without an end.KnifeyMcStaberson said:
End of Prologue (2001-2011)
Continue reading at Chapter 1 (2011-2032)
thank you nothing is going 2 change for the better if anything you just pissed off some more ppl... don?t get me wrong I?m not on his side, but hes not some puppet master pull all the strings he?s just a figure head of their rebellion that the USA had a obsession with. Its like killing the queen you will piss of a lot of ppl but your not going to destabilise anything...RebelRising said:
Now we goes after his cat. I hears he's a hidin in them middle wests now, in one o' them fancy mexican catnit motels all proper like and all that. The we goes n' kill'em. I hears he's the one wearin one o' them fancy towels on his head. Turdants I thinks they calls them. Yeeeeeehaaaw let's git'em, git'em good.
It won't fix the world, but it's not an insignificant issue. Bin Laden WAS an inspirational leader to many anti-Western folks and insurgents and terrorist groups. He was a unifier, a symbol and he could persuade people to get along with each other. Believe it or not, Terrorists feel emotions too - they get angry, impassioned, hopeful and all that sort of stuff. Symbols matter to them just as much as they do to us. Killing Bin Laden will make them angry.
Now, we actually WANT them to be angry. Angry people make mistakes. Angry people are hasty. Angry people rush ahead and do foolish things. Killing Bin Laden might make some terrorists so eager for revenge, that they trip up, making an unmasked phone call, meet with someone too soon or travel openly.
This also disrupts the networks. Bin Laden was HEAVILY protected and guarded. Only his most absolutely trusted bodyguards were let anywhere near him. NOTHING electronic of ANY SORT was allowed near him - not even one phone line. He communicated entirely by spoken word to couriers and messengers, who travelled on foot. It took years and years and years to track him down, precisely because he was purposefully using extremely primitive communication techniques to ensure that the US could never get a bead on his location.
And despite AAAAALLLLL that, he's dead. Despite the enormous protection and deception surrounding his location, he was still caught. This will give the terrorists pause - they know that the US couldn't have traced a phone call - they weren't using phones. They know the US couldn't have used satellites to find him - he travelled in disguise on donkey and horseback. The only way the US could have found him was by human intelligence sources. Someone betrayed him. Who was it? How many others have betrayed Bin Laden? Who can they trust? Their entire circle of trust is smashed and broken - they have no idea who to trust, who might be a spy working for the West. They're going to go absolutely paranoid over this, and paranoid people can't work effectively. When you have to change location every week for fear of being caught, it hampers your ability to plan. When EVERY message HAS to be delivered on foot, it hampers your ability to organize an attack.
The death of Bin Laden does NOT spell the end of terrorism and anti-Western insurgents. But it DOES disrupt their plans, it introduces a healthy dose of fear and paranoia and recrimination and many terrorist groups, having lost their uniting leader, will split, will challenge each other for authority, and will become paranoid about being caught. This one move will have disrupted terrorist activity for years, as now pretty much every leader is absolutely petrified of being caught - if they got to Bin Laden, who ELSE can they get to!? You don't think they don't feel fear? Why is it that they always send some poor shmuck to blow himself up, but the leaders never do? If they really weren't afraid of being killed, why the elaborate, paranoid preparation and hiding? These terrorist leaders are just as afraid of death as anyone else. They aren't stupid and gullible like your average suicide bomber (who tend to be directionless angry teens guilt-pressured into it), they are smart and conniving and use other people to die in their place. Because Bin Laden's dead, every big-wig terrorist or insurgent leader is worried that they will be next and they'll spend the next 2 years just trying to re-cultivate a sense of security and trust.
Not only that - Bin Laden's compound must have had some seriously valuable information. It did go up in flames, but no doubt some papers and files were taken by US forces.
This will hurt the terrorist groups. It will not spell the end of them - oh no, they're not going anywhere for a good while yet - but it disrupts their activities, it forces them to play defence for a while and that's good. Maybe, hopefully, some of them will be so enraged by the death of Bin Laden, that they'll do something stupid like make a direct call on his cellphone to a cell leader, who can then be promptly killed by a predator drone.
Now, we actually WANT them to be angry. Angry people make mistakes. Angry people are hasty. Angry people rush ahead and do foolish things. Killing Bin Laden might make some terrorists so eager for revenge, that they trip up, making an unmasked phone call, meet with someone too soon or travel openly.
This also disrupts the networks. Bin Laden was HEAVILY protected and guarded. Only his most absolutely trusted bodyguards were let anywhere near him. NOTHING electronic of ANY SORT was allowed near him - not even one phone line. He communicated entirely by spoken word to couriers and messengers, who travelled on foot. It took years and years and years to track him down, precisely because he was purposefully using extremely primitive communication techniques to ensure that the US could never get a bead on his location.
And despite AAAAALLLLL that, he's dead. Despite the enormous protection and deception surrounding his location, he was still caught. This will give the terrorists pause - they know that the US couldn't have traced a phone call - they weren't using phones. They know the US couldn't have used satellites to find him - he travelled in disguise on donkey and horseback. The only way the US could have found him was by human intelligence sources. Someone betrayed him. Who was it? How many others have betrayed Bin Laden? Who can they trust? Their entire circle of trust is smashed and broken - they have no idea who to trust, who might be a spy working for the West. They're going to go absolutely paranoid over this, and paranoid people can't work effectively. When you have to change location every week for fear of being caught, it hampers your ability to plan. When EVERY message HAS to be delivered on foot, it hampers your ability to organize an attack.
The death of Bin Laden does NOT spell the end of terrorism and anti-Western insurgents. But it DOES disrupt their plans, it introduces a healthy dose of fear and paranoia and recrimination and many terrorist groups, having lost their uniting leader, will split, will challenge each other for authority, and will become paranoid about being caught. This one move will have disrupted terrorist activity for years, as now pretty much every leader is absolutely petrified of being caught - if they got to Bin Laden, who ELSE can they get to!? You don't think they don't feel fear? Why is it that they always send some poor shmuck to blow himself up, but the leaders never do? If they really weren't afraid of being killed, why the elaborate, paranoid preparation and hiding? These terrorist leaders are just as afraid of death as anyone else. They aren't stupid and gullible like your average suicide bomber (who tend to be directionless angry teens guilt-pressured into it), they are smart and conniving and use other people to die in their place. Because Bin Laden's dead, every big-wig terrorist or insurgent leader is worried that they will be next and they'll spend the next 2 years just trying to re-cultivate a sense of security and trust.
Not only that - Bin Laden's compound must have had some seriously valuable information. It did go up in flames, but no doubt some papers and files were taken by US forces.
This will hurt the terrorist groups. It will not spell the end of them - oh no, they're not going anywhere for a good while yet - but it disrupts their activities, it forces them to play defence for a while and that's good. Maybe, hopefully, some of them will be so enraged by the death of Bin Laden, that they'll do something stupid like make a direct call on his cellphone to a cell leader, who can then be promptly killed by a predator drone.
congrats you killed a old man on the run, i fail to see the victory in this
this is just a petty act of vengeance that is a little late by 10 years
this is just a petty act of vengeance that is a little late by 10 years
Exactly - they seem to be acting strangely with it (all details from watching the news today)Sikratua said:
Buried him at sea with no photographic evidence of whether it was him
He was killed when one soldier saw someone matching his description and shot him twice in the head without confirming first and has now lost confirmation due to headshots
They killed the courier - the guy who was potentially relaying orders to groups of terrorists, and would know where they are and what the orders entailed. They just lost both sources of this intel in one night.
They potentially mini-invaded Pakistan due to no clearance of the operation
As some escapists have said - anniversary of "mission accomplished" speech
What can I say it's nice if it's true, even though it will put hostages at risk and strain US-Pakistan relations. But things seem a bit off as they are now. The first step when an enemy of people is dead is to showcase the body as a detterant to their followers and a signal of their victory (Mussolini, Saddam etc), yet this has been "oh yeah he's dead, we threw him in the ocean, take our word for it. And think Obama next election *wink*"
theres one thing that annoys me about all this. they claim he died in a firefight in a compound in pakistan. they dumped his body in the sea ?
source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256676
this seems counterproductive to the rumour mill? if he was surely some sort of proof that the didn't kill some innocent or other man
source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256676
How could they bury him at sea? Infact, why would they do that in the first place considering Abbotabad is very far away from the sea and there was no benefit of burying him at sea?
And yet when I ask for a picture of a dead body, I would be decried as a nut-job conspiracy theorist just like anyone who ever ask for any proof from the US government,all proof they need is Uncle Sam says.
While Pakistani news channels are asking for photographic evidence, I haven't seen any American or British ones doing so at all.So much for investigative journalism and objective reporting but those probably died somewhere between the Iraq and Afghanistan invasion, rest in peace ,investigative journalism, you will be missed.
And yet when I ask for a picture of a dead body, I would be decried as a nut-job conspiracy theorist just like anyone who ever ask for any proof from the US government,all proof they need is Uncle Sam says.
While Pakistani news channels are asking for photographic evidence, I haven't seen any American or British ones doing so at all.So much for investigative journalism and objective reporting but those probably died somewhere between the Iraq and Afghanistan invasion, rest in peace ,investigative journalism, you will be missed.
Killing one guy... and people cheer... boy we humans are idiots... & now Obama is regarded as some kind of hero? am I the only one that smells the BS in the air or is it because I'm not American? Don't get me wrong, I find the US to be a pretty great country & all, but the way things are presented on camera is just plain ol' manipulation of the masses... I wouldn't be surprised if Obama will use this to gain a 2nd term or something to that nature... "the President who stood against terrorism"... yeah right... tell that to the guys who died in Asia over the last I dunno... 20 years?... humanity has a lot to learn. This is no victory... victory is when you prevent guys like Laden from doing the stuff they do... then again there are so many theories about Laden being a CIA ploy... after all what do we really know about him... just what we've seen on the news or read in papers... our perspective sucks.
It's not going to change much.
Osama isn't the ultimate evil or some master mind behind all terrorism. He was a dude hiding in a cave. Honestly I believe he should have and more important could have been found long ago, it was just the ties America had to the Bin Laden family that stopped it.
I don't see any good coming of this, just bad from the Palastinians.
Osama isn't the ultimate evil or some master mind behind all terrorism. He was a dude hiding in a cave. Honestly I believe he should have and more important could have been found long ago, it was just the ties America had to the Bin Laden family that stopped it.
I don't see any good coming of this, just bad from the Palastinians.