So do you believe in ghosts? Why?

[ScharanoidPizofrenic]

SNIP

Lol. I love it when people troll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
The energy field given off by all living things is PROVEN. And its been acknowledged by the scientific community since roughly 1999.
And the idea of "echos" in spacetime is actually every believable. Because everything with mass effects the spacetime. There by, the natural "Aura" that humans give off effects the spacetime. ((even gravitational fields, which have no mass themselves effect spacetime))

As i said, its not 100%. But nothing is. A ration person knows this. And im not a super genious. But you dont have to be to understand the basics of spacetime. You just have to read a few up to date books on the subject.

I'll give you 1 point for a good troll though.

You should check that wiki page again because it says quite clearly you're wrong. Any Kirlian photography information that links to human aura's and more importantly emotional state affecting these aura's is bullshit. I say that without looking into the subject further because I know it's a waste of my time.

The percentage of people actually capable to comprehend the concept of spacetime is rather small. Sure you've read the wiki page but unless you've studied physics on a high level you won't understand by a longshot. An Echo in spacetime is such a vague concept that I doubt you have any idea what it means yourself, you just fart out some brainshit that looks like it could mean something. Spacetime is affected by large masses, the mass of energy is so small that it does not bend spacetime at all on a relative level.

You clearly don't grasp the concept of spacetime, you keep repeating that our "aura's" affect spacetime as if that's even relevant or true somehow. Even if the aura's did affect spacetime on a relevant level all that would mean is that our aura's have a larger gravitational field. Which is ofcourse bullshit, you're still a longshot away from linking your "echos" in spacetime to physical events like air drawing in heat.

 

[thePyro_13]

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Lol. I love it when people troll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
The energy field given off by all living things is PROVEN. And its been acknowledged by the scientific community since roughly 1999.
And the idea of "echos" in spacetime is actually every believable. Because everything with mass effects the spacetime. There by, the natural "Aura" that humans give off effects the spacetime. ((even gravitational fields, which have no mass themselves effect spacetime))

As i said, its not 100%. But nothing is. A ration person knows this. And im not a super genious. But you dont have to be to understand the basics of spacetime. You just have to read a few up to date books on the subject.

I'll give you 1 point for a good troll though.

Are you the troll or is he?

Did you read the link you posted? This effect is observable in both living and non-living objects. Anything that conducts electricity is likely to show this effect. It is more than likely something similar to an electro-magnetic field. Which, sure, can effect gravity and spacetime.

You're not going to try and argue that the field shown in the picture of the coin or leaf demonstrates that coins and leaves can feel and remember traumatic events are you?

It's just a residual weak electric field, not very paranormal at all. It's static electricity not emotion or memory. None of the "scientific" material linked shows any admission that the field can store emotions, only that it does exist and is of a general electrical nature that can be converted into light through specific photographic techniques.

The "in popular culture" section list all kinds of out there non-sense, but none of it is legit.

Note that this field(as expected of any electrical field) dissipates seconds after the source is removed. Making the claim that these fields can harbour emotions or trauma and "haunt" places, ridiculous.

 

[kouriichi]

SNIP

Lol. I love it when people troll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
The energy field given off by all living things is PROVEN. And its been acknowledged by the scientific community since roughly 1999.
And the idea of "echos" in spacetime is actually every believable. Because everything with mass effects the spacetime. There by, the natural "Aura" that humans give off effects the spacetime. ((even gravitational fields, which have no mass themselves effect spacetime))

As i said, its not 100%. But nothing is. A ration person knows this. And im not a super genious. But you dont have to be to understand the basics of spacetime. You just have to read a few up to date books on the subject.

I'll give you 1 point for a good troll though.

You should check that wiki page again because it says quite clearly you're wrong. Any Kirlian photography information that links to human aura's and more importantly emotional state affecting these aura's is bullshit. I say that without looking into the subject further because I know it's a waste of my time.

The percentage of people actually capable to comprehend the concept of spacetime is rather small. Sure you've read the wiki page but unless you've studied physics on a high level you won't understand by a longshot. An Echo in spacetime is such a vague concept that I doubt you have any idea what it means yourself, you just fart out some brainshit that looks like it could mean something. Spacetime is affected by large masses, the mass of energy is so small that it does not bend spacetime at all on a relative level.

You clearly don't grasp the concept of spacetime, you keep repeating that our "aura's" affect spacetime as if that's even relevant or true somehow. Even if the aura's did affect spacetime on a relevant level all that would mean is that our aura's have a larger gravitational field. Which is ofcourse bullshit, you're still a longshot away from linking your "echos" in spacetime to physical events like air drawing in heat.

So your saying my entire theory makes no sense, because there are echos in spacetime, and that our auras do affect space time? xD

And ALL things effect spacetime. Every object with mass ((for something to exist it basically must)) effects the spacetime.
And if you knew alot about Kirlian photo's, youd know they capture the L-field of living things. ((Which is a literal energy field.))
And you are right, the field is effected by a persons mental state, AND as i said in my first post "traumatic events" could be what cause these ripples. During traumatic events, no doubt a person would be feeling intense fear/anger/sadness, which out effect their field.

xD You help prove my theory by saying ripples possibly do exist, tell me that i was right about the field, and curse like a mad man? A logical person as you said you are would have noticed this half way through your post, and that posting it would have just made YOU seem like less of a rational person here. Considering most ration people dont use phrases such as "fart out some brainshit". The simple fact you took this from "Debate" to "RAAAAAGE *Curse curse insult*" in a thread about something that "probably" doesnt exist anyway proves your not logical.

You my friend, :3 are the "deluded" one.

 

[00slash00]

i want to say no, except for my old room mates bedroom. i always try to be rational and ghosts kinda conflict with that but my old room mates bedroom just had something about it. she always talked about it being haunted. then one night i returned a book to her room and saw someone in her bed and heard them grunt as if id startled them. i apologized and then remembered that everyone in the house had already gone home for winter break. i looked back in the room and the bed was empty. i ran downstairs as fast as i could and turned on all the lights. a few months later my room mate was out of town again and asked me to feed her fish while she was gone. i went up to her room and sat down by the fish but just felt this intense sense of dread coming from the far end of her room. there was nothing there but i just felt really uneasy and had to leave. i made my girlfriend hang out with me in the room, as i fed the fish.

in my last apartment there would be weird stuff like things falling over and random noises. sometimes the volume of the tv would turn on for a second, when it had been muted. my girlfriend claimed to be able to sense spirits and claimed i had a friendly ghost, but im not sure i believe that. then again, i guess i dont really rule it out either

 

[lionsprey]

Not going to say i do believe in them but i avoid saying i don't mostly because "that" guy always dies first in horror movies

 

[varulfic]

No I don't, and I have no respect for people that do. People who believe in ghosts are the worst form of gullible tools. Do you believe in santa claus too? Seriously, you are an embarrassment.

 

[kouriichi]

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Lol. I love it when people troll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
The energy field given off by all living things is PROVEN. And its been acknowledged by the scientific community since roughly 1999.
And the idea of "echos" in spacetime is actually every believable. Because everything with mass effects the spacetime. There by, the natural "Aura" that humans give off effects the spacetime. ((even gravitational fields, which have no mass themselves effect spacetime))

As i said, its not 100%. But nothing is. A ration person knows this. And im not a super genious. But you dont have to be to understand the basics of spacetime. You just have to read a few up to date books on the subject.

I'll give you 1 point for a good troll though.

Are you the troll or is he?

Did you read the link you posted? This effect is observable in both living and non-living objects. Anything that conducts electricity is likely to show this effect. It is more than likely something similar to an electro-magnetic field. Which, sure, can effect gravity and spacetime.

You're not going to try and argue that the field shown in the picture of the coin or leaf demonstrates that coins and leaves can feel and remember traumatic events are you?

It's just a residual weak electric field, not very paranormal at all. It's static electricity not emotion or memory. None of the "scientific" material linked shows any admission that the field can store emotions, only that it does exist and is of a general electrical nature that can be converted into light through specific photographic techniques.

The "in popular culture" section list all kinds of out there non-sense, but none of it is legit.

Note that this field(as expected of any electrical field) dissipates seconds after the source is removed. Making the claim that these fields can harbour emotions or trauma and "haunt" places, ridiculous.

Yup xD Ive read up alot on fields.
The reason i linked Kirlian photography is because its direct proof of these fields.
The name for them in living creatures is "L-fields". ((other then that, its mostly magnetism))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-field

Besides, this is, as i stated, just MY BELIEF. He didnt have to respond, nor spew a line of curses and insults. xD
This is, as i said, the MOST logical conclusion i have come to for "spirits". Not every person to come forward with a ghost or spirit related event has be insane. A decent percentage of UFO sightings are called in by police officers and radio tower workers at airports.

You cant discredit every witness. Sure, popular culture blew the "human field" out of proportion. But what hasnt it touched yet?

 

[Togs]

And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Sums it up pretty well.

Love it when people try and use this quote as it makes it so blatantly obvious they're just rabitting stuff without thinking for themselves.

That quote is from Hamlet, and its uttered by a man who has arguably been driven mad by grief for his dead father, desperately trying to defend that his father's ghost is appearing to people when his long suffering friend tries to give him a reality check.
That is to say ole Hamlet's rationality is quite frankly compromised.

 

[TheDist]

I do not at all, why? Because as with all supernatural things there has been no credible evidence at all of their existence.

Also lets face it, had there been any credible evidence, there would be a whole bunch of awards and the science community would be going crazy with such a find. Any scientist would love to show credible evidence of that kinda stuff, it would make them for life.

 

[Ranorak]

SNIP

Lol. I love it when people troll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
The energy field given off by all living things is PROVEN. And its been acknowledged by the scientific community since roughly 1999.
And the idea of "echos" in spacetime is actually every believable. Because everything with mass effects the spacetime. There by, the natural "Aura" that humans give off effects the spacetime. ((even gravitational fields, which have no mass themselves effect spacetime))

As i said, its not 100%. But nothing is. A ration person knows this. And im not a super genious. But you dont have to be to understand the basics of spacetime. You just have to read a few up to date books on the subject.

I'll give you 1 point for a good troll though.

You should check that wiki page again because it says quite clearly you're wrong. Any Kirlian photography information that links to human aura's and more importantly emotional state affecting these aura's is bullshit. I say that without looking into the subject further because I know it's a waste of my time.

The percentage of people actually capable to comprehend the concept of spacetime is rather small. Sure you've read the wiki page but unless you've studied physics on a high level you won't understand by a longshot. An Echo in spacetime is such a vague concept that I doubt you have any idea what it means yourself, you just fart out some brainshit that looks like it could mean something. Spacetime is affected by large masses, the mass of energy is so small that it does not bend spacetime at all on a relative level.

You clearly don't grasp the concept of spacetime, you keep repeating that our "aura's" affect spacetime as if that's even relevant or true somehow. Even if the aura's did affect spacetime on a relevant level all that would mean is that our aura's have a larger gravitational field. Which is ofcourse bullshit, you're still a longshot away from linking your "echos" in spacetime to physical events like air drawing in heat.

So your saying my entire theory makes no sense, because there are echos in spacetime, and that our auras do affect space time? xD

And ALL things effect spacetime. Every object with mass ((for something to exist it basically must)) effects the spacetime.
And if you knew alot about Kirlian photo's, youd know they capture the L-field of living things. ((Which is a literal energy field.))
And you are right, the field is effected by a persons mental state, AND as i said in my first post "traumatic events" could be what cause these ripples. During traumatic events, no doubt a person would be feeling intense fear/anger/sadness, which out effect their field.

xD You help prove my theory by saying ripples possibly do exist, tell me that i was right about the field, and curse like a mad man? A logical person as you said you are would have noticed this half way through your post, and that posting it would have just made YOU seem like less of a rational person here. Considering most ration people dont use phrases such as "fart out some brainshit". The simple fact you took this from "Debate" to "RAAAAAGE *Curse curse insult*" in a thread about something that "probably" doesnt exist anyway proves your not logical.

You my friend, :3 are the "deluded" one.

dude....

Read the wiki page.
Not only do non-living materials like coins give of the Emotional and mental aura. It's freaking tiny.

Spoiler: Kirlian photo of a finger tip

It's barely 2 millimetres big, And you're seriously suggest that this can cause a ripple in space time, and manifest as a ghost sighting?

But if that doesn't convince you, maybe this will.

One of the physical explanations[who?] is that the images produced are those caused by a voltage corona effect, similar to those seen from other high voltage sources such as the Van de Graaff generator or Tesla coil. In a darkened room, this is visible as a faint glow but, in this case, the film is affected in a slightly different way from usual. Color photographic film is calibrated to faithfully produce colors when exposed to normal light. The corona discharge has a somewhat different effect on the different layers of dye used to accomplish this result, resulting in various colors depending on the local intensity of the discharge

The have to use special film rolls to even make in visible on photo's


Or this little tit-bit:

Kirlian said that the image he was studying might be compared with the human aura. An experiment in evidence of energy fields generated by living entities involves taking Kirlian contact photographs of a picked leaf at set periods, its gradual withering corresponding with a decline in the strength of the aura. In some experiments, if a section of a leaf was torn away after the first photograph, a faint image of the missing section would remain when a second photograph was taken. The Archives of American Art Journal of the Smithsonian Institution published a leading article with reproductions of images of this phenomenon.[specify] James Randi has suggested that this effect was due to contamination of the glass plates, which were reused for both the "before" and "after" photographs.[2] Humans do not give off energy fields.

 

[AngryBritishAce]

Go and watch the episode of Derren Brown with the ouiji board and you'll see why ghosts do not exist.

 

[Kinokohatake]

Man the amount of respect going on on threads like these are staggering. 30 people say no and think anyone who does is a moron, one person says yes, 25 people come back to insult the one person. Repeat until thread dies out. God forbid someone poke their head out and have a dissenting opinion.

 

[kouriichi]

SNIP

Lol. I love it when people troll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
The energy field given off by all living things is PROVEN. And its been acknowledged by the scientific community since roughly 1999.
And the idea of "echos" in spacetime is actually every believable. Because everything with mass effects the spacetime. There by, the natural "Aura" that humans give off effects the spacetime. ((even gravitational fields, which have no mass themselves effect spacetime))

As i said, its not 100%. But nothing is. A ration person knows this. And im not a super genious. But you dont have to be to understand the basics of spacetime. You just have to read a few up to date books on the subject.

I'll give you 1 point for a good troll though.

You should check that wiki page again because it says quite clearly you're wrong. Any Kirlian photography information that links to human aura's and more importantly emotional state affecting these aura's is bullshit. I say that without looking into the subject further because I know it's a waste of my time.

The percentage of people actually capable to comprehend the concept of spacetime is rather small. Sure you've read the wiki page but unless you've studied physics on a high level you won't understand by a longshot. An Echo in spacetime is such a vague concept that I doubt you have any idea what it means yourself, you just fart out some brainshit that looks like it could mean something. Spacetime is affected by large masses, the mass of energy is so small that it does not bend spacetime at all on a relative level.

You clearly don't grasp the concept of spacetime, you keep repeating that our "aura's" affect spacetime as if that's even relevant or true somehow. Even if the aura's did affect spacetime on a relevant level all that would mean is that our aura's have a larger gravitational field. Which is ofcourse bullshit, you're still a longshot away from linking your "echos" in spacetime to physical events like air drawing in heat.

So your saying my entire theory makes no sense, because there are echos in spacetime, and that our auras do affect space time? xD

And ALL things effect spacetime. Every object with mass ((for something to exist it basically must)) effects the spacetime.
And if you knew alot about Kirlian photo's, youd know they capture the L-field of living things. ((Which is a literal energy field.))
And you are right, the field is effected by a persons mental state, AND as i said in my first post "traumatic events" could be what cause these ripples. During traumatic events, no doubt a person would be feeling intense fear/anger/sadness, which out effect their field.

xD You help prove my theory by saying ripples possibly do exist, tell me that i was right about the field, and curse like a mad man? A logical person as you said you are would have noticed this half way through your post, and that posting it would have just made YOU seem like less of a rational person here. Considering most ration people dont use phrases such as "fart out some brainshit". The simple fact you took this from "Debate" to "RAAAAAGE *Curse curse insult*" in a thread about something that "probably" doesnt exist anyway proves your not logical.

You my friend, :3 are the "deluded" one.

dude....

Read the wiki page.
Not only do non-living materials like coins give of the Emotional and mental aura. It's freaking tiny.

Spoiler: Kirlian photo of a finger tip

It's barely 2 millimetres big, And you're seriously suggest that this can cause a ripple in space time, and manifest as a ghost sighting?

But if that doesn't convince you, maybe this will.

One of the physical explanations[who?] is that the images produced are those caused by a voltage corona effect, similar to those seen from other high voltage sources such as the Van de Graaff generator or Tesla coil. In a darkened room, this is visible as a faint glow but, in this case, the film is affected in a slightly different way from usual. Color photographic film is calibrated to faithfully produce colors when exposed to normal light. The corona discharge has a somewhat different effect on the different layers of dye used to accomplish this result, resulting in various colors depending on the local intensity of the discharge

The have to use special film rolls to even make in visible on photo's


Or this little tit-bit:

Kirlian said that the image he was studying might be compared with the human aura. An experiment in evidence of energy fields generated by living entities involves taking Kirlian contact photographs of a picked leaf at set periods, its gradual withering corresponding with a decline in the strength of the aura. In some experiments, if a section of a leaf was torn away after the first photograph, a faint image of the missing section would remain when a second photograph was taken. The Archives of American Art Journal of the Smithsonian Institution published a leading article with reproductions of images of this phenomenon.[specify] James Randi has suggested that this effect was due to contamination of the glass plates, which were reused for both the "before" and "after" photographs.[2] Humans do not give off energy fields.

As i said in my other post,
"The reason i linked Kirlian photography is because its direct proof of these fields.
The name for them in living creatures is "L-fields". ((other then that, its mostly magnetism))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-field
L-fields are given off by all living things.

This is, as i said, the MOST logical conclusion i have come to for "spirits". Not every person to come forward with a ghost or spirit related event has be insane. A decent percentage of UFO sightings are called in by police officers and radio tower workers at airports."

And as i said. ALL OBJECTS no matter how small, hold a position in spacetime. They all have an effect on it. Something this small wouldnt make a "big" event, but then again, our idea of "Big" is skewed by how small we are.

It doesnt even have to be a "big event". But it could be visible. What is mist? How actually big is mist? Its tiny. But because of the millions/billions/trillions of tiny events happening at once, its clearly visable.

As i said. Its my belief. And the most logical one i could scientifically explain. Would you rather, "every person in history whos seen a 'spirit' is crazy"?

 

[thePyro_13]

You cant discredit every witness. Sure, popular culture blew the "human field" out of proportion. But what hasnt it touched yet?

Witness' by nature are discredited. Their's a reason that scam websites plaster themselves with testimonials, it's because such claims are easy to fabricate, can be quoted out of context(to create any many you desire), often leave out important information that might discredit them(watch the qualiasoup video on the second page), and impossible to verify(the real problem here, as most of these witness's probably aren't being maliciously fabricated).

They simply cannot be used to prove anything. With is a shame, since most paranormal evidence tends to comprise entirely of testimonials. When people start trying to prove ghosts using science, things become a lot easier for all of us.

For instance, the L-fields linked, are exactly the same as the fields on the previous link, they make no distinction between life and rock, they are described as the same phenomena, and show the same behaviours(even cross referencing the same Russian scientist). This guy gave it another name, but that doesn't change what it is. They are a by product of the way the physical world works, that does mean that some of the stuff shown is accurate(such as the frog egg thing shown by Burrs studys) but not the reverse, the field is not controlling us(it isn't a soul), it doesn't dictate which way the frog rests in it's egg, it just reacts to the way the flog is sitting.

It also exists for non-living objects(even if you want to call it something different), which make any connection to emotion or memory very unlikely. It reacts to the intensity of energy(in this case electrical) in a body, allowing it to spike at emotional or traumatic points, but its doesn't discriminate or show any useful data.

The fact that it dissipates after death makes perfect sense, as many of our bodily functions are based on electrical signals, this field is really just static electricity.


I'm all for believing what you want, and I won't tell you not to believe it(I wouldn't expect you to listen even if I did tell you ). I would love for all this stuff about ghosts and spirits to be true, it'd make life much more interesting. And that's part of the reason I feel we should be so hard on half ass'd claims of ghosts and dodgy TV shows claiming to "scientifically" investigate ghosts when all they really do is talk crap and jump at shadows and house creaks. If it is real, it'll take some real effort a research to find tangible proof of it, while any real evidence is drowned under tarot cards and other nonsense.

Anyway, thanks for the links and discussion, it was fun to read. I'm off to play some games.

 

[Togs]

As i said in my other post,
"The reason i linked Kirlian photography is because its direct proof of these fields.
The name for them in living creatures is "L-fields". ((other then that, its mostly magnetism))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-field
L-fields are given off by all living things.

This is, as i said, the MOST logical conclusion i have come to for "spirits". Not every person to come forward with a ghost or spirit related event has be insane. A decent percentage of UFO sightings are called in by police officers and radio tower workers at airports."

And as i said. ALL OBJECTS no matter how small, hold a position in spacetime. They all have an effect on it. Something this small wouldnt make a "big" event, but then again, our idea of "Big" is skewed by how small we are.

It doesnt even have to be a "big event". But it could be visible. What is mist? How actually big is mist? Its tiny. But because of the millions/billions/trillions of tiny events happening at once, its clearly visable.

As i said. Its my belief. And the most logical one i could scientifically explain. Would you rather, "every person in history whos seen a 'spirit' is crazy"?

1. The most logical conclusion you have come to? so that means becuse you say it is we shouldnt question it? Many brilliant minds have pondered the same thing as you and come to the opposite conclusion- if you think that you're their equal forgive me if I think you arrogant.

2. The rest of you post is just plain nonsensical, Ive read and reread and I still get the impression you have no clue what your talking about, and trying to suss out how what youve posted relates to what your trying to prove is not worth the effort required.

3. "The most logical one I could scientifically explain" apart from the atrocious english again relates back to my previous point, which instead of repeating Im gonna ask you what your qualifications are? Are you trained physicist? Or as I suspect a layman who has got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

4. Maybe not crazy but almost definately wrong- our senses lie to us, our eyes alone provide more information in a millisecond then our brains can process, this causes over 90% of what we see to be plain guess work on our brains part.
Whats more its been shown that we can replicate paranormal experiences in the lab, the one that jumps to the forefront of my mind is how back in the 1990's a bunch of psychologists where able induce "fits of relgious ectasy" in people by stimulating an area of the frontal lobe.

 

[ChildishLegacy]

Yes. Somethings you just cant explain with science atm.

Plus ouija scare the shit out of me. You dont mess with that crap!

What, what can't we explain with science to do with ghosts?
Just because we can't explain certain very complicated things with science, doesn't mean ANY IMAGINARY THING NOW EXISTS.

OT: Of course not, if ghosts exist, why are there not millions and millions of them, why do they only appear to one person and not give them any proof, where are dinosaur ghosts - why are we the 'special' race to have ghosts, why would a ghost be so elusive if they knew they could prove the existence of the supernatural to mankind. It's just overactive imaginations and suspension of disbelief

Also regarding the Ouija boards: They were never meant to contact the dead, they were initially said to "contact your inner self", it's only since the exorcist that people believe they can contact the dead, so basically if you believe they contact the dead, you're believing a fictional film is true. The only reason ghosts would supposedly suddenly contact people through a Ouija board after a film showing they did came out is because nutters get hold of them, simple as.

 

[kouriichi]

You cant discredit every witness. Sure, popular culture blew the "human field" out of proportion. But what hasnt it touched yet?

Witness' by nature are discredited. Their's a reason that scam websites plaster themselves with testimonials, it's because such claims are easy to fabricate, can be quoted out of context(to create any many you desire), often leave out important information that might discredit them(watch the qualiasoup video on the second page), and impossible to verify(the real problem here, as most of these witness's probably aren't being maliciously fabricated).

They simply cannot be used to prove anything. With is a shame, since most paranormal evidence tends to comprise entirely of testimonials. When people start trying to prove ghosts using science, things become a lot easier for all of us.

For instance, the L-fields linked, are exactly the same as the fields on the previous link, they make no distinction between life and rock, they are described as the same phenomena, and show the same behaviours(even cross referencing the same Russian scientist). This guy gave it another name, but that doesn't change what it is. They are a by product of the way the physical world works, that does mean that some of the stuff shown is accurate(such as the frog egg thing shown by Burrs studys) but not the reverse, the field is not controlling us(it isn't a soul), it doesn't dictate which way the frog rests in it's egg, it just reacts to the way the flog is sitting.

It also exists for non-living objects(even if you want to call it something different), which make any connection to emotion or memory very unlikely. It reacts to the intensity of energy(in this case electrical) in a body, allowing it to spike at emotional or traumatic points, but its doesn't discriminate or show any useful data.

The fact that it dissipates after death makes perfect sense, as many of our bodily functions are based on electrical signals, this field is really just static electricity.


I'm all for believing what you want, and I won't tell you not to believe it(I wouldn't expect you to listen even if I did tell you ). I would love for all this stuff about ghosts and spirits to be true, it'd make life much more interesting. And that's part of the reason I feel we should be so hard on half ass'd claims of ghosts and dodgy TV shows claiming to "scientifically" investigate ghosts when all they really do is talk crap and jump at shadows and house creaks. If it is real, it'll take some real effort a research to find tangible proof of it, while any real evidence is drowned under tarot cards and other nonsense.

Anyway, thanks for the links and discussion, it was fun to read. I'm off to play some games.

Eh, yeah, its fine.
xD i didnt expect anyone else to believe it.
But i have a hard time believing every paranormal even in history has just been "the wind" and "bad lighting".
And no one has ever given a more logical explanation to these events.

But one thing to your post above, the L-field can vanish before physical death. So its more then just static electricity, which is why research went into it. A person's mental and emotional states both effect the field. So a traumatic event could increase the L-field.

xD but yes, as i stated, its not 100%. But its better then believing it could never be impossible. ((when one of the first rules of science is to not use the word))

 

[Togs]

Man the amount of respect going on on threads like these are staggering. 30 people say no and think anyone who does is a moron, one person says yes, 25 people come back to insult the one person. Repeat until thread dies out. God forbid someone poke their head out and have a dissenting opinion.

When its a dissenting opinion based on nonsense then yes it will be picked apart.
I for one would love to find someone on the opposite side of the table whose opinions on the matter are based logic, rationality and good information but alas Im yet to find one.

 

[edudogel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI&feature=player_embedded
that is what i believe mostly

 

[infohippie]

I wish there were such things, but I'm not going to believe in anything until it can be measured and recorded, followed by hypotheses and experimentation to find a theory.