i am going to copy down that article, then whenever i get the urge to buy a game EA publishes i can just read the article become incredibly pissed off and save myself $120
So IGN decided to ask "why do people hate EA"
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Main reason I don't like EA is because they seem to be completely motivated by money, ok so many, if not most, if not all publishers am motivated by money, they still have parts of them that seem to take pride in their work such as Kojima, Suda 51 and even Rockstar as they seem to have a bit of humour and a bit of a personal touch on their games, making it seem a bit more 'comfortable' (cor think of another word) to the gamer and to be fair I haven't seen any major glitches in their games. Whereas with EA they seem to just make a game, slap a title that they know people will buy on it and send it off without much thought put into it.
Sadly, i'm one of those who hold a grudge from their past actions, and will continue to hold them accountable for them.
Westwood, Origin, Bullfrog, etc.
The only way they can do good in my eye is to resurrect the Dungeon Keeper series and give me 3. No Kyberos want to be carp, but an actual Bullfrog IP DK3.
Westwood, Origin, Bullfrog, etc.
The only way they can do good in my eye is to resurrect the Dungeon Keeper series and give me 3. No Kyberos want to be carp, but an actual Bullfrog IP DK3.
10 Origin
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Seriously, I know EA has pull over some of the more annoying additions to games they have developed for their own publishing and that is disappointing but not a deal breaker. My problem is when they expand out to try to absorb more money from other things. I can understand that Steam is pretty close to a monopoly on the PC gaming market but forcing everyone to abandon ship and require your big title highly anticipated games to run on a BETA VERSION of a precise Steam copy, except by default the keystroke to open the glitchy ingame browser is shift+F1 and not shift+tab. I understand the corporation stuff, make money and appease the shareholders but at least be human about it. Everytime I look at the racket Activision is running with the CoD yearly map packs I think EA isn't so bad, but I can't say they are innocent because they do the same thing with every popular american sport.
I still can't say I "hate" them because they did such great things at one point(Battlefield 1942, Battlefield 2, Medal of Honor: Allied Assault) and its hard to let them go, plus despite spending several weeks in a depression the Mass Effect series which was at least immersive enough to make me feel genuinely sad when it all went to hell in a handbasket for the last 5 minutes of the 120 hours of epic that was the majority of the series.
EA needs to stop trying to innovate and let their some of their developers do what they do best. Make good games and give them funding for new ideas, even if they fail like Mirror's Edge.
Sidenote: The best thing Origin did was make me realise Shift+F1 is a better keystroke for a menu because I often sprint and check the scoreboard on a steam game and get picked off while looking at the game over lay
Sidernote: F1 used to be the default button for most scoreboards, something horribly wrong/right has happened.
20 Goto 10
Seriously, I know EA has pull over some of the more annoying additions to games they have developed for their own publishing and that is disappointing but not a deal breaker. My problem is when they expand out to try to absorb more money from other things. I can understand that Steam is pretty close to a monopoly on the PC gaming market but forcing everyone to abandon ship and require your big title highly anticipated games to run on a BETA VERSION of a precise Steam copy, except by default the keystroke to open the glitchy ingame browser is shift+F1 and not shift+tab. I understand the corporation stuff, make money and appease the shareholders but at least be human about it. Everytime I look at the racket Activision is running with the CoD yearly map packs I think EA isn't so bad, but I can't say they are innocent because they do the same thing with every popular american sport.
I still can't say I "hate" them because they did such great things at one point(Battlefield 1942, Battlefield 2, Medal of Honor: Allied Assault) and its hard to let them go, plus despite spending several weeks in a depression the Mass Effect series which was at least immersive enough to make me feel genuinely sad when it all went to hell in a handbasket for the last 5 minutes of the 120 hours of epic that was the majority of the series.
EA needs to stop trying to innovate and let their some of their developers do what they do best. Make good games and give them funding for new ideas, even if they fail like Mirror's Edge.
Sidenote: The best thing Origin did was make me realise Shift+F1 is a better keystroke for a menu because I often sprint and check the scoreboard on a steam game and get picked off while looking at the game over lay
Sidernote: F1 used to be the default button for most scoreboards, something horribly wrong/right has happened.
AS someone studying business, the "corporations must make money" is an annoying line to see, because it's the most primitive description you can give. It's like saying a car is designed to house an engine - being able to do so is a necessary feature, but it's not the point of the car. The point is to get the people inside safely where they want to go and so too is the case with a business. You want to keep your company going because the goal of the company is something you believe in - a vision of how you want the future to look.
People buy into corporations because of those visions. They buy into Google because their vision is one that makes life easier and more convenient for everyone. People don't buy into EA because the only vision we can see them having is a Scrooge McDuck money vault and there are very few people who think that's a worthwhile goal. All our hate and their failures stem from there - they motivate decisions through money which leads to good studios being cancelled and both customers and IPs being exploited for all they're worth.
A few years ago they seemed to genuinely have something with the release of all sorts of original, creative games, and people were able to get behind that because we want to see that. Then they do stuff like releasing Origin and best anyone can tell their goal is to steal Valve's customers for their own profit and sell their personal info off to the highest bidder. Yay.
That's basically the deal - people have no sympathy for a company whose only goal is money, and such a company is inherently going to make decisions people are unsympathetic to.
People buy into corporations because of those visions. They buy into Google because their vision is one that makes life easier and more convenient for everyone. People don't buy into EA because the only vision we can see them having is a Scrooge McDuck money vault and there are very few people who think that's a worthwhile goal. All our hate and their failures stem from there - they motivate decisions through money which leads to good studios being cancelled and both customers and IPs being exploited for all they're worth.
A few years ago they seemed to genuinely have something with the release of all sorts of original, creative games, and people were able to get behind that because we want to see that. Then they do stuff like releasing Origin and best anyone can tell their goal is to steal Valve's customers for their own profit and sell their personal info off to the highest bidder. Yay.
That's basically the deal - people have no sympathy for a company whose only goal is money, and such a company is inherently going to make decisions people are unsympathetic to.
Father: Timmy, it's time to put EA down.
Timmy: But why, dad!? Why?
Father: You have to be a man and see truths for truths. EA ate the neighbor's two dogs, and the puppy down the street.
Timmy: I know, but-
Father: And the local cat population is screwed.
Timmy: Yes, but-
Father: It got out of the gate and ended up giving an entire shelter of young animals parvo.
Timmy: But-
Father: Now that it's leaving absolutely rancid landmines on the lawn and biting small children for profit, not to mention the whole foaming at the mouth thing, you know it's time.
Timmy: ... Okay dad. I'll do it *gets gun*
... *bang*
Sorry, I'm just hung on the terrible dog analogy used to prove the guy's lucid point. That and 'dog' reminded me of 'big publisher buying developers and destroying them', which is why I hate them so much.
Timmy: But why, dad!? Why?
Father: You have to be a man and see truths for truths. EA ate the neighbor's two dogs, and the puppy down the street.
Timmy: I know, but-
Father: And the local cat population is screwed.
Timmy: Yes, but-
Father: It got out of the gate and ended up giving an entire shelter of young animals parvo.
Timmy: But-
Father: Now that it's leaving absolutely rancid landmines on the lawn and biting small children for profit, not to mention the whole foaming at the mouth thing, you know it's time.
Timmy: ... Okay dad. I'll do it *gets gun*
... *bang*
Sorry, I'm just hung on the terrible dog analogy used to prove the guy's lucid point. That and 'dog' reminded me of 'big publisher buying developers and destroying them', which is why I hate them so much.
No I don't. I didn't know Apple was a contender, and I didn't know their business practices were that bad. That is way worse. You are probably right in thinking that people didn't know that when they voted.Draech said:
To be honest, I didn't even know there was a "Worst Company in America" contest until after I had heard EA had won.
I can sum up EA hate in simple terms.
EA make millions off releasing extremely similar sport's games year after year
Suda 51 makes thousands off releasing hugely ranged stuff year after year (according to his current schedule we're getting one game a year from 2011-2013)
Suda's stuff might be shorter, and it's not exactly untouchable in terms of criticism, but goddamnit at least he LIKES his fans.
EA make millions off releasing extremely similar sport's games year after year
Suda 51 makes thousands off releasing hugely ranged stuff year after year (according to his current schedule we're getting one game a year from 2011-2013)
Suda's stuff might be shorter, and it's not exactly untouchable in terms of criticism, but goddamnit at least he LIKES his fans.
It wasn't ME3, or even DA2 that caused EA to have such a bad reputation. it was the release of Origin and a history of running gaming companies into the ground. The dlc ploy doesn't help, either.
The hate and strong opinions of EA doesn't originate in a vocal minority, either. It stems from people who want quality in their games, and they are completely justified in their dissatisfaction.
The hate and strong opinions of EA doesn't originate in a vocal minority, either. It stems from people who want quality in their games, and they are completely justified in their dissatisfaction.
I quit reading IGN after seeing this article.
It's one thing when an incorrect detail in a game review gives you the impression they didn't play it all the way through. It's quite another when someone tries to defend a company with one of the worst reputations next to Activision without some INSANELY good arguments to back them up.
It's one thing when an incorrect detail in a game review gives you the impression they didn't play it all the way through. It's quite another when someone tries to defend a company with one of the worst reputations next to Activision without some INSANELY good arguments to back them up.
I love how he's all set for specific examples of s*** things EA has done, but is happy to balance that out with sweeping generalisations like "have done some very smart things with Origin". What are these things? No, f*** you, they have done some REALLY S*** THINGS, and the fact that they make games that we like does not counteract it, because that's not the part of the company that we're generally annoyed at. Bullfrog, DRM, sitting on IPs that have potential. And on the all companies do it note, yeah they do, but EA does ALL of it by itself and with apparent glee. The first section with the COO's comment was particularly insightful. It's like the people who knowingly ruined Bullfrog, to give one example, are innocent victims. I bet when their neighbours ask them about it, they don't say "Well, we butchered a smaller company and people called us out on it and it maed me crai".
I still can't get why they are asking EA why people hate EA. It's stupid. If I ask someone why he is hated, of course he is not gonna say he is a dick. He is gonna say people that hate him are dicks.
What did IGN tried to do here? Convince us EA aren't dicks? Well, if that was the plan, it backfired like a Colt gun that hasn't been cleaned in centuries, considering almost everyone in this forum, including me, just got their opinions about EA worsened.
What did IGN tried to do here? Convince us EA aren't dicks? Well, if that was the plan, it backfired like a Colt gun that hasn't been cleaned in centuries, considering almost everyone in this forum, including me, just got their opinions about EA worsened.
Bad companies are everywhere, but a bad company that dominates their industry, insults their customers while simultaneously asking them for money and takes over smaller companies to crush their creativity and ruin a series? That's a whole new kind of evil.
EA bought out (or "acquired") a great Canadian game company and sank it with horrible DLC schemes and rushed, lackluster sequels. That's enough reason for me to hate them. The fact that they've done it to hundreds of other great or up-and-coming game companies is just a bonus.
EA tries to gouge me at every opportunity. A lot of companies do that, but EA does it with such enthusiasm and clocklike regularity it's almost insulting. They will not miss a chance to screw over their customer base in the name of a quick buck; but they're not hurting! They're probably the largest game publisher in the world! What do they need all this blood money for? They certainly aren't using it to lengthen development times and create a better product...
Oh, I know! They're using it to pay for their obnoxious advertising! Yes, from ARGs (of the "drink your ovaltine" variety) to having us take pictures with "booth babes" to bringing in real mothers in order to advertise an M-rated game to children, EA has had their share of horrible marketing. They treat us like children, so why should I give THEM any respect?
These are just some of the RECENT reasons as to why I, personally, find EA offensive. Others have listed even more reasons. Why do I have to say any of this at all? How are there so many people who will buy their products anyway and defend them on these forums? I was sure this comment area would be full of spitting hate, but I actually have to explain myself because there are too many vocal proponents. I mean, even I found the "worst company in America" thing to be head-shakingly Nerd Rage.
EA bought out (or "acquired") a great Canadian game company and sank it with horrible DLC schemes and rushed, lackluster sequels. That's enough reason for me to hate them. The fact that they've done it to hundreds of other great or up-and-coming game companies is just a bonus.
EA tries to gouge me at every opportunity. A lot of companies do that, but EA does it with such enthusiasm and clocklike regularity it's almost insulting. They will not miss a chance to screw over their customer base in the name of a quick buck; but they're not hurting! They're probably the largest game publisher in the world! What do they need all this blood money for? They certainly aren't using it to lengthen development times and create a better product...
Oh, I know! They're using it to pay for their obnoxious advertising! Yes, from ARGs (of the "drink your ovaltine" variety) to having us take pictures with "booth babes" to bringing in real mothers in order to advertise an M-rated game to children, EA has had their share of horrible marketing. They treat us like children, so why should I give THEM any respect?
These are just some of the RECENT reasons as to why I, personally, find EA offensive. Others have listed even more reasons. Why do I have to say any of this at all? How are there so many people who will buy their products anyway and defend them on these forums? I was sure this comment area would be full of spitting hate, but I actually have to explain myself because there are too many vocal proponents. I mean, even I found the "worst company in America" thing to be head-shakingly Nerd Rage.
Its the consumer's fault.
Sure, EA is a shitty company that bought out Bullfrog and Maxis among others to destroy the competition instead of trying to keep up with them.
But how did it end up with the kind of money needed for that? How can it pay biased reviewers like IGN to make up stuff about their games? How can it spend a shitload of money in marketing for that matter? Because people willingly give EA their money, knowing they will do exactly that.
Instead of crying because your favorite franchise (lol) got ruined, or voting them as the worst company of the united states (like that means anything) stop buying their games.
Not selling their games means no more money, no more money means they will lack the currency to do all the things everyone hates.
Dont expect them to stop doing whatever the hell they want to do with the money you give them. It wont happen. Just dont give them your money. Its as easy as that.
Sure, EA is a shitty company that bought out Bullfrog and Maxis among others to destroy the competition instead of trying to keep up with them.
But how did it end up with the kind of money needed for that? How can it pay biased reviewers like IGN to make up stuff about their games? How can it spend a shitload of money in marketing for that matter? Because people willingly give EA their money, knowing they will do exactly that.
Instead of crying because your favorite franchise (lol) got ruined, or voting them as the worst company of the united states (like that means anything) stop buying their games.
Not selling their games means no more money, no more money means they will lack the currency to do all the things everyone hates.
Dont expect them to stop doing whatever the hell they want to do with the money you give them. It wont happen. Just dont give them your money. Its as easy as that.
Easy. Their habit of taking a good game and then grinding it into the ground over in 1 game.
Their horrific marketing is another problem. See dead space 2's YOUR MOM WON'T LIKE IT for an 18+ game.
Origin
and a plethora of other smaller reasons.
Though really right now there is only 2 publishers which I trust and actively support. Paradox Plaza and Valve. Paradox for producing games that are good and have more depth then a childrens swimming pool and at affordable prices (Not £30-40) and Valve because Valve and everyone knows why
Their horrific marketing is another problem. See dead space 2's YOUR MOM WON'T LIKE IT for an 18+ game.
Origin
and a plethora of other smaller reasons.
Though really right now there is only 2 publishers which I trust and actively support. Paradox Plaza and Valve. Paradox for producing games that are good and have more depth then a childrens swimming pool and at affordable prices (Not £30-40) and Valve because Valve and everyone knows why