So.... Korrasami is canon.

[ryukage_sama]

As I understand it, Bryke thought they wrote the relationships perfectly back then, and were genuinely surprised at the blow-back the romance got.

If the first two seasons of Korra taught me anything, it's that Airbender was a team-effort and Bryke either haven't got much talent on their own, or severely depend their editors to throw out their bad ideas.

Korra's entire relationship with Asami is saying passing compliments, stuff you would say to each other at a board meeting. "Hey nice hair today" "Hey looking good man" "Hey I got you some coffee you look tired" If we're arguing all those 'hints' were supposed to lean toward Korrasami. Then ships like Tenzin/Korra have just as much if not more merit.

Korra and Asami spent less time together in the course of four books than almost every other main character on the team. It amazes me that they saw fit to end with them 'together'There really is no indication that they are romantically interested prior to the finale. Especially if you compare that with all the other romances. Every other Bryke romance is beaten to death, then beaten some more before it becomes canon. There is no subtlety when it comes Bryke and romance.

Korra and Asami would meet up for one episode, talk, then Asami would be gone for two episodes while Korra ran off with Make, Lin, or Tenzin. You're telling me they couldn't have her around more to show this supposed interest? C'mon. It's not like Asami was busy off developing as a character, either. The one issue she had throughout the series was that she wasn't on good terms with her father, and she struggled a bit with her company in the second season.

I'm not arguing if Korrasmi is canon. I'm arguing the method by which they did it was atrocious.

Bryke can only be trusted to make something good if they have a good team. TLA compared to the now complete LoK is proof of this beyond a shadow of a doubt.

There were events and character interactions over the course of 4 seasons plus the 3 years during which Korra only communicated with Asami during which their relationship developed. Bolin eats one meal next to Opal and he starts a romantic relationship. There's no controversy over Bolin x Opal, so why is there so much more criticism directed at the Korra x Sami relationship?

 

[Redryhno]

There were events and character interactions over the course of 4 seasons plus the 3 years during which Korra only communicated with Asami during which their relationship developed. Bolin eats one meal next to Opal and he starts a romantic relationship. There's no controversy over Bolin x Opal, so why is there so much more criticism directed at the Korra x Sami relationship?

Maybe because Bolin was confirmed in-universe? All that KorrAsami got was a bit of hand-holding and walking together into some kind of light(haven't watched it) and a letter from the creator telling everyone "It's totes real guyz, anyone that thinks differently is a biggot".

There's been fan-fiction about this type of crap, nobody cares that it happened, everyone cares that nothing was confirmed in-universe and everyone immediately jumped to conclusions and the Avatar writing team hasn't had the best track record with romances(TLA is forgivable, they're all kids after all), but Korra is billed as this teen/adult thing and the romances are even worse than TLA somehow. They're bad enough that they detract from everyone's enjoyment in one form or another of the few good points the show had.

 

[Charli]

I am surprised nick was onboard with Korrasami. Guess they get a "Not as huge a dick as you were some months ago" medal.

I would say that's more the creators making it ambiguous for them to not be able to say anything about it rather than them giving the thumbs up.

It was cleverly done. And in a world where we're all quick to claim our levels of tolerance but as a larger team too scared to piss off the angry super PC group of intolerant bigots for fear of loosing all the money. This is the only way it could have been done for a 'kids cartoon'.

Hopefully it's a step forward in the long walk to normalizing same sex couples.

 

[ryukage_sama]

There were events and character interactions over the course of 4 seasons plus the 3 years during which Korra only communicated with Asami during which their relationship developed. Bolin eats one meal next to Opal and he starts a romantic relationship. There's no controversy over Bolin x Opal, so why is there so much more criticism directed at the Korra x Sami relationship?

Maybe because Bolin was confirmed in-universe? All that KorrAsami got was a bit of hand-holding and walking together into some kind of light(haven't watched it) and a letter from the creator telling everyone "It's totes real guyz, anyone that thinks differently is a biggot".

There's been fan-fiction about this type of crap, nobody cares that it happened, everyone cares that nothing was confirmed in-universe and everyone immediately jumped to conclusions and the Avatar writing team hasn't had the best track record with romances(TLA is forgivable, they're all kids after all), but Korra is billed as this teen/adult thing and the romances are even worse than TLA somehow. They're bad enough that they detract from everyone's enjoyment in one form or another of the few good points the show had.

Speak for yourself. The depictions of relationships, both happy and dysfunctional, in Legend of Korra enhanced my enjoyment of the show. Sometimes we feel for the character's happiness, participate in their angst. That emotional involvement is part of the experience for many fans of fiction. I appreciate that the writers dismantled the Makorra relationship, demonstrating that the having the stereotypical high-emotion, strong physical chemistry just isn't enough to carry a romantic relationship long-term. And that a relationship built on compatibility, friendship and openness to each other can be the foundation of the strongest relationships, romantic, sexual and otherwise. Not everyone will enjoy it, and their lack of enjoyment isn't an indictment of bigotry. Unfortunately, bigotry is still part of the negative voices responding to the finale.

 

[spacecowboy86]

Yeah... not really much into Korrasami, to be honest.

Not that I have a problem with what many are calling "revolutionary" as the first confirmed lesbian couple in western animation (I can't remember another example, but I could be wrong and no, fan made couples like Poison Ivy/Harley Quinn don't count); but because it comes literally out of nowhere. There are very few (if any) hints that they are developing into something more than close friendship, and there are even less hints throughout the series that either of them leans that way, so all most people have in terms of confirmation are the last 2 seconds of the show and a letter from the director, in four years... and that is an awful way of handling it.

In a way, I would have preferred that Korra ended up with no romantic interest (because we know a female character can't have an narrative arc if she doesn't end up with someone) than one that was poorly developed and just thrown there, no matter how unconventional it is.

Its actually been ongoing since Season 2, but it has been very subtle, in a way that you could clearly argue that they are just close friends. But if you follow them specifically, you can see that they are growing closer over the course of the series and it really is only at the end of Season 4 that both seem to have realized that maybe there is something more than just close friendship. It is very vague though and you could argue both ways, i.e. are they gonna be a couple or not and regardless of the creator's intent you could just simply decide for yourself that they arent.

It is arguably better solved that way than forcing the issue by loudly declaring that they are now together. Relationships are much more complex then that. Hell even a Fan citing the whole "Well they both dated Mako" isnt really a reason as to why they cant be together. Being into your own gender doesnt mean you wake up one morning and realize that you are in fact gay, alot of the times its the realization afterwards like, you are with a guy or girl and somehow it just isnt working, so you experiment with the other gender and suddenly it clicks. Or it can be very.."romantic" in a way of say "Soulmates" in that you can fall in love with someone who shares your Gender, you love them for who they are, not because of what gender they have.

In short, if you want to think that clearly they are just friends, thats totally fine. If you want to think that they are going to be more, thats fine too. At least it leaves it open and doesnt force the issue.

I'm with you guys. I always saw the relationship as platonic and argued that with a few other fans until this declaration came out. I don't like the decision simply because I don't see why they have to make such a close relationship be romantic. It seems this decision is trying to say that if it's not sexual, then the relationship isn't really meaningful. I would have much preferred that she didn't end up with anyone and they just became good friends. Heck, Mako even had that one filler episode where he explained that after he broke up with both the girls he decided to figure out who he was without a lady in his life, and I was hoping Korra would have kind of the same sentiment, since this season was all about her coming to terms with everything that's happened and learning to move on.

But of course, when I try to explain this I usually get pegged as homophobic and brushed off.

 

[A-D.]

Yeah... not really much into Korrasami, to be honest.

Not that I have a problem with what many are calling "revolutionary" as the first confirmed lesbian couple in western animation (I can't remember another example, but I could be wrong and no, fan made couples like Poison Ivy/Harley Quinn don't count); but because it comes literally out of nowhere. There are very few (if any) hints that they are developing into something more than close friendship, and there are even less hints throughout the series that either of them leans that way, so all most people have in terms of confirmation are the last 2 seconds of the show and a letter from the director, in four years... and that is an awful way of handling it.

In a way, I would have preferred that Korra ended up with no romantic interest (because we know a female character can't have an narrative arc if she doesn't end up with someone) than one that was poorly developed and just thrown there, no matter how unconventional it is.

Its actually been ongoing since Season 2, but it has been very subtle, in a way that you could clearly argue that they are just close friends. But if you follow them specifically, you can see that they are growing closer over the course of the series and it really is only at the end of Season 4 that both seem to have realized that maybe there is something more than just close friendship. It is very vague though and you could argue both ways, i.e. are they gonna be a couple or not and regardless of the creator's intent you could just simply decide for yourself that they arent.

It is arguably better solved that way than forcing the issue by loudly declaring that they are now together. Relationships are much more complex then that. Hell even a Fan citing the whole "Well they both dated Mako" isnt really a reason as to why they cant be together. Being into your own gender doesnt mean you wake up one morning and realize that you are in fact gay, alot of the times its the realization afterwards like, you are with a guy or girl and somehow it just isnt working, so you experiment with the other gender and suddenly it clicks. Or it can be very.."romantic" in a way of say "Soulmates" in that you can fall in love with someone who shares your Gender, you love them for who they are, not because of what gender they have.

In short, if you want to think that clearly they are just friends, thats totally fine. If you want to think that they are going to be more, thats fine too. At least it leaves it open and doesnt force the issue.

I'm with you guys. I always saw the relationship as platonic and argued that with a few other fans until this declaration came out. I don't like the decision simply because I don't see why they have to make such a close relationship be romantic. It seems this decision is trying to say that if it's not sexual, then the relationship isn't really meaningful. I would have much preferred that she didn't end up with anyone and they just became good friends. Heck, Mako even had that one filler episode where he explained that after he broke up with both the girls he decided to figure out who he was without a lady in his life, and I was hoping Korra would have kind of the same sentiment, since this season was all about her coming to terms with everything that's happened and learning to move on.

But of course, when I try to explain this I usually get pegged as homophobic and brushed off.

Not what i was actually arguing. I think, based on everything in the Show, there is nothing romantic between Korra and Asami YET. To me, it seemed that over the course of the Series they were growing closer together, from rivals in love to friends to almost sibling-level affection for each other, they became basicly the bestest friends over time. However i like to think that when they both decided to take a Trip to the spirit world, for a vacation, that they both realized then and there that just maybe there is more than just friendship between them and that it was worth exploring.

Season 4 essentially ends with the potential that they are going to see IF there is a spark, a real one, between them and just maybe they will end up together. But its not on-the-nose. Its not forced in our collective faces that they are totally gay for each other now, it is left to interpretation. Because now you can decide for yourself how it panned out, maybe they remained friends, maybe the romance didnt work out, maybe it worked out. We dont know, the story ends there, for the moment. At least to me it seems a way out for the creators just in case they want to go somewhere else with the story, leave it at least a little vague just in case a better idea comes along. Hell we had the same with Katara and Aang at the end of Last Airbender, it was heavily implied but never outright stated until Korra came along.

Captcha: Less is more ..okay, Captcha summed that thing up perfectly.

 

[Frankster]

Stopped following after season 2, they could have paired up Korra with one of them flying Bisons for all I cared about the way romance was handled in that series.

Actually the funny thing is I even said back in the day "way Korra's dealing with guys she should just go turn lesbian with that other chick and save us all some grief", it's like the authors stole their script from my sarcastic bitching.

 

[Redryhno]

Speak for yourself. The depictions of relationships, both happy and dysfunctional, in Legend of Korra enhanced my enjoyment of the show. Sometimes we feel for the character's happiness, participate in their angst. That emotional involvement is part of the experience for many fans of fiction. I appreciate that the writers dismantled the Makorra relationship, demonstrating that the having the stereotypical high-emotion, strong physical chemistry just isn't enough to carry a romantic relationship long-term. And that a relationship built on compatibility, friendship and openness to each other can be the foundation of the strongest relationships, romantic, sexual and otherwise. Not everyone will enjoy it, and their lack of enjoyment isn't an indictment of bigotry. Unfortunately, bigotry is still part of the negative voices responding to the finale.

Of course I'm speaking for myself, where did I say I spoke for anyone else? Seasons 1-3 of Korra were awash with so many cutaways to the damn relationship crap when there's supposedly some kind of world threat going on that it lessens my, and my friend's, enjoyment of the series because you can no longer take it seriously when all the show focuses on is highschool level drama and a tiny bit on what the Avatar exists for.

TLA will forever be better because, yes, while it cutaway from the main plot alot(Lover's Hippie Cave and Sea Dragon Road everyone?), each episode developed the world, characters, and helped with the story and showed you the threat Ozai was. Korra can't do that because all it is is a bunch of being told one thing, doing another, and showing yet something else. That is why I consider Korra's handling of relationships childish at best, because there's a huge amount of tropes and cliches being used that you don't have to know much to predict exactly what's going to happen when it comes to that part of the show. It doesn't show adult and mature relationships, it shows the idea of adult and mature relationships. Not to mention they basically made Opposite Aang with Korra and then ended her arc basically the exact same way from what I'm hearing.

I didn't watch TLA for the ZuTara and TyKka shipping and lite-mance, I watched it because the characters were good, the jokes were funny, the action and animation were great, and it was smartly written without being patronizing. Korra didn't have much of the first, they backgrounded everyone that had the second, the third was there for whatever few times Korra didn't just get the win handed to her, and the fourth was nowhere in sight for me. It's still a great show, but it's not anywhere near the quality I expected of an Avatar series because there was alot of telling of development, and not alot of showing development, basically the same criticisms I level at RWBY and alot of other short-running shounen.

Maybe because Bolin was confirmed in-universe? All that KorrAsami got was a bit of hand-holding and walking together into some kind of light(haven't watched it) and a letter from the creator telling everyone "It's totes real guyz, anyone that thinks differently is a biggot".

Except it was confirmed in-universe. Hand holding in the exact same way every other couple on the series holds hands, including those at the wedding that happened a whole five minutes prior (not to mention the staring into each other's eyes) while the two of them go on a vacation without any of their friends or family seems pretty unambiguous.

And the letter from the creator said that if you thought it was ambiguous or out of the blue then you should stop looking at things through an exclusively hetero lens, but why should I ever expect someone complaining about something to have actually read the thing they're complaining about?

Nice jab there, but you're sorely mistaken, I have read it. But why should I expect anything less from someone with an avatar of a character hitting their head so hard it spurts blood and probably causes massive brain damage?

Anyways, exactly how do you hand-hold without it looking like every other hand-holding in the history of the universe? I went on a vacation with a homo buddy of mine once as well without any other family or friends as well, does that mean we also evolved into a new state of being a couple at that point?

I'll agree that looking through a hetero lens can blind you to certain things, but considering that hetero-anything has become slang for bigot in certain parts of the internet, especially alot of Tumblr, can you really blame anyone for thinking that? I mean, it is pretty unambiguous when not viewed through the lens of naivete.

Now, if you'd like, we can drop the passive aggressive insults and actually discuss without them being involved in any way, shape, or form? Yes or no, we'll probably still hold them and tell them to ourselves and keep them out of writing, that is, if we're both adults....

 

[Drathnoxis]

Here's the problem, Nick never gave them the luxury of planning. From the start they never planned 4 seasons. Nick gave them 1 season, 12 episodes, and told them to make a thing. They made a single self contained story, a pretty good one, but one that was poorly paced because of how little time they were given to introduce all the characters, and the conflict, and to then resolve that conflict.

Then Nick decided "hey, that thing was pretty good, do another thing, here's your time-frame, and if it does well we'll give you 2 more." The second season was bad because they never got a chance to plan anything out. They hadn't planned for a second season and barely had time to finish it before the deadline. That's why season 2 is the weakest season, with bad character motivations and poor characterization. Everyone got hit with the "stupid stick" because the writers didn't have time.

They did however have time to plan out seasons 3 and 4 because they knew beforehand that they would probably get to make them. Seasons 3 and 4 are well planned out, well written, decently well paced, and in general have great characters and stories. Seasons 3 and 4 were the ones they had the most luxury to plan out and they did so. It's a shame you didn't give them a chance because you left the show at its lowest point, and it was at its lowest point because of the way the network treated it. The writers worked with what they had, and what they had wasn't enough. Nick kept dicking the show around and that's the reason for the quality problems.

I am so sick of this excuse that it's all Nick's fault for not being clear on how many seasons they would get. If this is true why was season 1 such a mess when they were apparently under the impression that they would only be getting the 12 episodes? Because 12 episodes is obviously too short a time to tell a decent story? Yeah, that's only 4 hours, which is longer than any movie and we all know that movies are notoriously bad at telling good self contained stories.

Season 1 was written like they were told they would have 3 seasons but only got 1. The pacing was so terrible. Why did they waste all that time on the pro bending nonsense when it had no relevance to the plot, didn't help Korra to learn airbending, and was just pointless filler? And all of the love triangle stupidity should have been cut to make way to give the far more interesting Amon more screen time. They wasted so much time on filler that all of the important revelations had to be hastily shoved into the last 2 episodes. The finale of season 1 was such a jumble of deus ex machina and character retcons that made a complete mess of the narrative thus far.

So you are trying to say that season 1 was such a mess as a self contained story because Nick told them they were supposed make a self contained story? I'm sorry, I didn't know that Legend of Korra was made in opposite world.

 

[Ishal]

There were events and character interactions over the course of 4 seasons plus the 3 years during which Korra only communicated with Asami during which their relationship developed. Bolin eats one meal next to Opal and he starts a romantic relationship. There's no controversy over Bolin x Opal, so why is there so much more criticism directed at the Korra x Sami relationship?

That only demonstrates another failing of the show. A problem that it get's criticized for often. Show, don't tell. We're told about that. We never see it. We're told they were writing letters. That's not good. That's writing 101 stuff.

See, the problem is that not enough was shown. And that doesn't look good when all the other romances were shown, and rather blatantly. The only thing that happened to really show anything was the ending, and it was jarring to a lot of people.

There was nothing concrete leading up to this that would strongly indicate a romantic interest, rather than a just a normal friendship. And as others have done, when the things cited as evidence for their 'interest' are compared with similar actions toward other characters, it all comes up as platonic friendliness. They could have done more, they should have shown more. But they didn't, and that's why many people are calling foul.

Without doing more, and combined with that petulant Tumblr post, it only looks like one thing. Pure, blatant pandering.

 

[ArcaneGamer]

Huh, well I'll be. They actually went and done it. "You magnificent bastard, I read your book!" But in all seriousness, well done guys. Well done. I didn't think they'd have the courage to go through with it. Wonder how the rest of the fans and general people will take it. Hopefully,this might start a trend.

 

[Redryhno]

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So I'll take this whole post as a no to my request that you act like an adult? Ok. I thereby claim victory and dominion over your lands for the foreseeable millennia.

But seriously, you're assuming I'm being offended for no reason on my part. But when you take into account that the post is on tumblr, with a not straight situation and characters, can you see where I'm coming from and read what is normally meant in said situations on stated platform? And to be perfectly clear, I'm not offended, just incredibly disappointed and annoyed.

I haven't watched the last season of Korra all that much and I have no intention of doing so anytime soon with this kind of attitude from some of the fans in this thread and the creator's posts on this.

There is nothing wrong with the KorrAsami pairing, and I really don't give a shit about it when there are far better things to worry about being written and drawn in fan-fic around these characters for years. But from what I've seen of the discussion and Korra's past when it comes to writing pretty much anything that isn't the main plot or villain that routinely gets thrown to the side in favor of shipping characters and doing half-assed romance, it comes up very short of the intended mark, or completely nonsensical.

 

[TWEWYFan]

Honestly, I'm really glad to see it. I'm not much a shipper, gay or straight, but a little more diversity is a really nice thing to see.

 

[Eddie the head]

There were events and character interactions over the course of 4 seasons plus the 3 years during which Korra only communicated with Asami during which their relationship developed. Bolin eats one meal next to Opal and he starts a romantic relationship. There's no controversy over Bolin x Opal, so why is there so much more criticism directed at the Korra x Sami relationship?

Honestly I didn't say anything about that one because none really talked about it. If people where praising that as being the best thing since sliced bread I would likely respond to that as well, but they don't. I thought it was well understood that the romances where the weakest part of the writing in Avatar just like Bioware.

sinp

I mean I don't think I would have put it so bluntly but yeah in many ways I agree. We aren't shown enough, there is nothing for them to really do, and it's just boring. And if I'm honest I do think it's getting a pass because "the characters are gay." Witch I don't think should matter. Framing this as being a good "gay romance" when it would be a poor straight one? Isn't that a bit counterintuitive? I mean I guess it's better then nothing but I think that's a poor metric to judge things by.

Eff whatever if people enjoy it let them I don't care.

 

[Redryhno]

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My point, before you jumped into whatever crusade you started talking about, was that there are people who have watched the whole series, are annoyed by the ending, and are considered homophobes because they hold the opinion that it was poorly written and badly implied. And then I have my own opinion on how the relationship and character arcs have been written over the previous three seasons and I'm simply assuming they handle them roughly the same way and with the same level of finesse as before(none). Creators are fine to think whatever they want, but saying that the only reason somebody could not get it is because they're looking through a hetero-normative lens is stereotypical Tumblr logic at best.

It is not intellectually dishonest to say what I said. It's an opinion, personal experience and one that I went with a minimum of effort for why I believed it, because I didn't think it would need to be explained more, with the passing and first-person knowledge of the platform with the rest of the internet. Tumblr is not one massive entity, you are right. Which is why I said in these specific situations on said site, hetero may as well mean bigot, because, from my few interactions with a variety of silly people on that site from varied fandoms and interests, it did.

 

[Ishal]

I mean I don't think I would have put it so bluntly but yeah in many ways I agree. We aren't shown enough, there is nothing for them to really do, and it's just boring. And if I'm honest I do think it's getting a pass because "the characters are gay." Witch I don't think should matter. Framing this as being a good "gay romance" when it would be a poor straight one? Isn't that a bit counterintuitive? I mean I guess it's better then nothing but I think that's a poor metric to judge things by.

Eff whatever if people enjoy it let them I don't care.

I'm torn on it, I really am.

Make no mistake, I dislike Legend of Korra for a multitude of reasons. I think it came nowhere near TLA in terms of quality. I dislike shipping culture even more, in whatever fandom it's in. But at the same time... I hate what I had to say in that last post up the thread. I hate it when people accuse things of pandering. There are usually reasons why things happen in any given thing other than pandering. There are things to point to that validate whatever topic is under fire. But the unfortunate thing is, in this case, there just isn't.

Everything they did together was normal behavior for two close friends until the last 15 seconds of the finale.

> "Korra wrote letters to Asami! It's clear that means a lot"

Let's examine her choices. She coulds write to her ex-boyfriend or Bolin who never seems to take anything seriously. And was kind of a moron in season 2. Korra and Asami are close in age, female, and have similar histories so it makes sense that Korra would write to her only female friend about her problems. It's natural thing friends do. If the letters did indeed mean so much, why did Korra stop writing to Asami? You wouldn't do that to someone you care about intimately.

> "They drank tea together!"

So did Korra with half the cast. Does that mean she wants Tenzin?

> "Korra blushed when Asami complimented her hair! You can't deny this!"

It's natural for someone to be embarrassed by a compliment. By this logic, Bolin secretly harbors a love for Lin because he blushed after she fixed his zipper.

> "Asami was the only one at Korra's bedside supporting her!"

Again, that's what friends do. Only reason it wasn't someone else was because Asami barely had any screentime in book 3. Her role was to emotionally support Korra. If you look at Asami's character arc during book 1-3, the writers clearly ran out of things for her to do. She became a support for Korra, and even then, she has the least amount of screen time in the series out of all the major characters. If Asami wasn't there to support Korra's angst she wouldn't have been there at all.

Furthermore, the idea that Korra and Asami would be in love with Mako but then go Bi for each other is a poor coincidence. It would have made more sense for there to be a separate female character who had nothing to do with Mako at all. But we can clearly see Bryke just adjusted the points of the love triangle instead. just like a shipper in a fandom oh shi-

There's the idea that they didn't know what they wanted. They were bisexual, they both liked Mako, and now they might be growing feelings for each other. I am more than willing to entertain that idea. Maybe that was part of the relationship, that they didn't know they liked each other. but we never see this happen on screen

You want to talk about subtext? Why is there more subtext for Kuvira x Korra than Korrasami? Arey Bryke this awful at displaying intimacy?

All of this shows that they didn't do enough. Tons of people aren't satisfied for legitimate reasons. They should have done more, and the simple fact is that they didn't. The more you see people claiming how obvious it was, the more those people reveal themselves as shippers who only saw these things because they look for them on purpose, then blow them way out of proportion.

It is by and large going to "get a pass" because of what it is. And I get why. It shouldn't be such a big thing, but it is. People who want this kind of stuff are starved for it, and to finally get it, of course they'll love it. I can't really blame them. But I still think it was poor, and should have been handled way better. But hey, that goes for the entire series.

 

[FPLOON]

Well, those hoping for one of the first lesbian couples in animation got your wish.

Clearly you do not watch hentai.

Don't really have anything else to say about it.

Actually even outside of hentai there's like a whole string of them. I mean Sailor Uranus and Neptune spring to mind. Half the cast of Vandred. The Major from Ghost in the Shell. Better to say the first Nickelodeon Lesbian couple I think...

It's sort of funny really... people treating it as ground breaking when the ground was broken well over a decade ago ...never mind that lesbians actually enjoy considerably more social acceptability than gay men, they were actually treading into fairly well marked and trodden territory.

That's what's been bugging about some of the Korrasami praising! I mean, even from a western [children's] animated television show perspective, even Cartoon Network's Clarence beat LoK not once, but TWICE both heavily implied and just being there from the story perspective... Granted, one of those times was, I'm pretty sure, a married lesbian couple, but I [kinda] digress... (Now, I'm wondering why Nick's live-action [teen] show lineup lacks that kind of inclusiveness... unless I'm missing something here...)

OT: WOO! <color=white>Kinda wished it was Mako and Wu, though, but I digress...

Other than that, it looks like Korra's true legacy was in the form of in-canon inclusiveness... Now, to wait for the sequel comic/graphic novels to come out...

 

[Ieyke]

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To the both of you, I'm just gonna drop this Tumblr post that surmises what is, perhaps, the biggest problem with what Bryan said:

http://forever-makorra.tumblr.com/post/105923616587

Even setting aside the absolute disgust I feel for a writer who'd rather blame their audience than accept criticism...

Yea, so the fuck what?
Gay people can be dense as lead too.

 

[Asita]

Anyways, exactly how do you hand-hold without it looking like every other hand-holding in the history of the universe? I went on a vacation with a homo buddy of mine once as well without any other family or friends as well, does that mean we also evolved into a new state of being a couple at that point?

Methinks you underestimate the importance of physicality here. Grabbing somebody's hand can mean a variety of things, largely distinguished by how the characters act around the action. 'Fearful' hand holding, for instance may involve a tremble in the arms, a small squeeze for reassurance sake, a visible swallow, inclined eyebrows, wide eyes, dilated pupils to create a hesitant smile before refocusing on what's causing that apprehension, tense music in the background, and so on. There are a lot of small physical cues that convey the intent of the action, which actors, directors, and animators alike take pains to get just right.

In the interest of completion, however, you mentioned that you haven't actually seen the scene. Allow me to give you a quick in-depth runthrough of it. Motive for the scene, Korra and Asami have decided to go on a 'just the two of them' vacation to the spirit world and are now close to the spirit portal. They stop and look at it for a moment before giving a relaxed smile and looking at one another. The camera shifts to between the two of them to show them grab each other's hand, and as they walk forward the camera pans up to show that they are maintaining eye contact. They enter the light of the portal and turn to more fully face one another, reaching over to grab the free hand as they do, resulting in a pose not unlike a couple at a wedding altar (one seen in couples several times throughout the Avatar franchise, including a bride and groom not five minutes before this scene), the light of the spirit portal then creates a fade to white as the camera pans up above them, leaving them staring at one another as the effective final shot before "the end" appears on screen.

From a theatrical standpoint, that's very unambiguously romantic stage direction. The close friends variation might still have zoomed in on their hands, but the two would be facing forward as they approached the portal and wouldn't have adopted the 'dearly beloved' pose when they reached it. They'd smile, grab a hand, face forward into the unknown and walk forward, focusing on the destination rather than the person they'd be experiencing it with. That would be platonic blocking for the scene.

 

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To the both of you, I'm just gonna drop this Tumblr post that surmises what is, perhaps, the biggest problem with what Bryan said:

http://forever-makorra.tumblr.com/post/105923616587

Even setting aside the absolute disgust I feel for a writer who'd rather blame their audience than accept criticism...

Yea, so the fuck what?
Gay people can be dense as lead too.

So a gay person is dense as lead for being insulted by a thin-skinned writer insulting them? That makes sense. And also sounds incredibly homophobic. Congrats for the double whammy.

I don't care if the internet gave him crap. I don't care if Nick gave him crap. I don't care if the Pope himself gave him crap over that decision, you blame the audience and you automatically lose the argument. End of discussion. No self respecting writer should ever have to go to that level and yet there ya go.

Then again I tend to feel like the finales of Avatar are full of things coming outta nowhere so this is just one more for the pile.